Live Thread for the SC Democratic Presidential Debate

[MovingPictures]

Just a clarification, I made a typo which I've now corrected, I meant that Biden, not Bernie, pandered to the AA crowd (with his offer of a black woman to be nominated as a SC justice).

I'm merely talking about electoral chances, not if I agree with what the candidates are saying. I think Bloomberg's answer about China was convincing to many voters, who aren't as well-informed as you are regarding the danger represented by China. He said we need to engage them anyway because of the environment, etc. This plays well with the base and kind of counters the downside of his pro-China stance. This was a well-rehearsed answer.

You know, Bloomberg actually is competent and he has a lot of money to hire good people. Last week I thought he was toast; I no longer think so. He will be a force to reckon with.

I don't think he should have skipped SC, though. This is a mistake. He is allowing the others to drive the race and set the tone. Missing small Iowa and NH, sure, Nevada already a stretch, but missing SC as well is not good.

No, man, couldn't disagree more.

Bloomberg is a nightmare. He has no path. Both progressives and liberals hate the man. If he manages to steal the nomination some how, the party will revolt at a racist billionaire buying the primary, and we WILL lose to Trump in the fall out of people refusing to vote for someone of his standing.

 

[Craig234]

But then there is West Virginia. Kennedy would not have likely gotten to be the nominee without the mob's help in the primary.

West Virginia wasn't the mob. You think there were a lot of mafia in WV?? West Virginia WAS corrupt, and Kennedy DID use money to win there, but it wasn't mob. He also promised to make more food aid for WV his first executive order - and kept the promise. And he still won without Illinois AND WV.

 

[TurtleDude]

Warren's wealth tax would guarantee that the wall street elite will turn their backs on the Dem ticket if she is on it and more than a few would back Trump

 

[Linc]

Wow. Didn’t know that.

I bet the VT GOV is more liberal than 99%of the GOP.

The GOP has the governor in Warren’s state MA, Bernie’s state VT, Maryland, and New Hampshire. They only recently lost New Jersey and Maine. I’m seeing a rise in Northeast moderate Republicans.

Gov. Phil Scott in VT supports Weld against trump. Sununu in NH supports trump. Baker in MA and Hogan in MD are more murky, tiptoeing through the trump mine field.

 

[NeverTrump]

I’d prefer a question about the cutthroat, toxic Slanders’ Staff such as Rojas, Turner, Weaver, Teachout, and many more. Sanders’s Wife has now interjected herself into this race, slinging her poo. Let’s look at her past.

Fat chance of that happening. Debates generally do not go after people's staff. I've never seen them go after the people Trump has hired. There was some issues with the questions being raised tonight because they are all stuck in early 2000s debate mode. Like no one really asked about Trump's post-acquittal purging of national security experts. Only bloomberg brought it up and tried to drive that narrative. I personally think the Sanders supporters stuff is a much bigger deal than the cuba stuff. Sanders answered that rather well. Yet the CBS anchors had concerns about the Sanders supporters before the debate and that question was not asked! :shock:

 

[GreatNews2night]

I do not remember hearing this question tonight.

This question was asked and answered last week.

 

[Surrealistik]

No, man, couldn't disagree more.

Bloomberg is a nightmare. He has no path. Both progressives and liberals hate the man. If he manages to steal the nomination some how, the party will revolt at a racist billionaire buying the primary, and we WILL lose to Trump in the fall out of people refusing to vote for someone of his standing.

I think he has a path to the nomination, unlikely, unfortunate and remote as it is, but to the presidency? Forget it for precisely the reasons you mentioned.

 

[Threegoofs]

Warren's wealth tax would guarantee that the wall street elite will turn their backs on the Dem ticket if she is on it and more than a few would back Trump

Sounds like a plus to me.

 

[jnug]

Some number of moderates have to drop out as soon as the vote is taken in SC if for no other reason than to at least make a statement to the party that they are making the effort. Liz needs to get out also. She is not even running for the nomination at this point.

Is Liz there in case Bernie has another heart attack?

 

[Greenbeard]

Wow, I didn't know that VT had a Republican governor. How in the hell did they elect a Republican? VT is solidly blue, no?

Failed single-payer push.

Why a Republican Might Win Bernie’s Home State

For all the talk of Sanders’ revolution rattling the establishment and moving the country to the left, reality looks quite different in the state that birthed Sanders’ would-be uprising. Bernie is still beloved here, where 86 percent of voters in the Democratic primary supported him—his strongest showing in the country. But some political experts suggest the cost of Sanders-style progressive policies—including, most notably, the state’s failed single-payer health care system—is driving many voters away from the Democrats, substantially boosting the odds that Republicans could retake the governorship this November.

But today, chief among the issues defining the governor’s campaign here is the single-payer health care system Vermonters were promised by current Democratic Governor Peter Shumlin, who also spent more than $200 million to keep the state’s health exchange—formed to comply with the Affordable Care Act—operational.

Over the past seven fiscal years—predating the start of Shumlin’s time in office—Vermont’s budget expenditures have grown by more than $600 million. In a state with just 626,000 people, that’s been a substantial hit on taxpayers.

 

[swing_voter]

If Trump got to pick:


1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Biden
5. Klobochar
6. Bloomberg

 

[GreatNews2night]

No, man, couldn't disagree more.

Bloomberg is a nightmare. He has no path. Both progressives and liberals hate the man. If he manages to steal the nomination some how, the party will revolt at a racist billionaire buying the primary, and we WILL lose to Trump in the fall out of people refusing to vote for someone of his standing.

I know that. There isn't a bigger disaster for the Dems in November than Bloomberg winning the nomination.

Again, people are misunderstanding me here. I'm not analyzing this from the standpoint of endorsing these people. I have already voted for Bernie. I'm just saying, Bloomberg will be a force to reckon with, and he actually does have a path to the nomination, unlike Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Steyer. Biden does too if he recovers, and obviously Bernie, the front runner, does, more than anybody.

Yes, if Bloomberg wins, it will be a disaster for November. But yes, he is one of three viable ones (for the nomination, not in November)

 

[ajn678]

If people think Bernie was bad tonight, just wait until the GOP starts focusing on him. Good lord what a mistake the Democrats are making.

 

[Diesel]

Thanks for looking at the link, and for responding. Yeah, Chicagoan's take snow removal seriously. Winter is the citizens' common enemy!

Yes, well, there's next to nothing that anyone can do about a 35-inch snowstorm, much less a politician who was never elected to deal with snowstorms.

 

[Craig234]

If Trump got to pick:


1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Biden
5. Klobochar
6. Bloomberg

Because trump is an idiot. Hillary got to pick, and she picked trump.

 

[GreatNews2night]

If Trump got to pick:


1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Biden
5. Klobochar
6. Bloomberg

Actually Trump said he prefers to run against Bloomberg. He knows that if Bloomberg is nominated, the Democratic Party will fracture and a third of the party won't vote for Bloomberg so it will be easier for Trump to win.

 

[Chillfolks]

Some number of moderates have to drop out as soon as the vote is taken in SC if for no other reason than to at least make a statement to the party that they are making the effort. Liz needs to get out also. She is not even running for the nomination at this point.

Is Liz there in case Bernie has another heart attack?

Liz is there to run interference and be an attack dog for Bernie. Bernie looks like a raving lunatic, which he is, when he tries to attack people so Liz is doing that work for him.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Failed single-payer push.

Why a Republican Might Win Bernie’s Home State

Wow, that's concerning.

 

[Diesel]

He's my #1 purely in terms of who I'd like in office. But in terms of electability, I'm torn. That being said, I do think he would do better with the general electorate than conventional wisdom allows. I also think he would do better on the debate stage with Trump than many surmise, and he would provide a fantastic contrast to Trump on the same stage.

Even if he doesn't become the nominee, I'm going to push for a debate between him and Trump. I think it would be epic.

 

[Chomsky]

I see you went with Richie Aprile; clearly a man of taste.

David Proval was the best actor in the damn series! He tried-out for the lead roll, and had the chops but was deemed too short and slight of build to get it. So, they went with the big-goombah Gandolfini. But if there was any of the cast that exuded the sociopathic essence of violent criminal, it was Proval!

Check this scene out. Gandolfini is far larger physically, and was the dominate character in terms of position in the organization. But IMO, Provo is the guy that weilds his weight here. He comes off as the real-deal, and pulls it off authentic as hell.

 

[Linc]

Wow, I didn't know that VT had a Republican governor. How in the hell did they elect a Republican? VT is solidly blue, no?

Worse is that the 50 states all have different rules to replace senators. That’s the biggest reason Hillary didn’t choose Sherrod. The replacement in Ohio is permanent. No special election. So, she got greedy and took the idiot Sen. Kaine who was the DuNCe Chief for REDMAP 2010.

As TurtleDude from Ohio knows, Ohio is unconstitutionally abrogating the 17th amendment by not giving the people the party they voted for, let alone a special election. This is why the federal courts are so ultimately important. Leftists didn’t vote that way in 2016.

I want to stop Republicans more than anything else, not trash Democrats. But, when I see the Sanders side start the burn it down **** every ****ing time, I’m gonna fight back. I’m the guy who’s been fighting the corrupt GOP traitors since 1972 when I was 18.

 

[Greenbeard]

Wow, that's concerning.

You think?

 

[Craig234]

Even if he doesn't become the nominee, I'm going to push for a debate between him and Trump. I think it would be epic.

Presidential nominees don't debate anyone else... I don't think it's ever happened.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sounds like a plus to me.

sure does-the democrat ticket loses the wall street elite-Trump wins easily. I am glad you are so understanding of political reality

 

[Diesel]

LOL, that would be fun watching that president meeting with fundamentalist Muslims.

People keep saying that about Buttigieg too. Here's something that will surprise no one: The US doesn't care what anyone thinks and our reputation couldn't get worse anyway.