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Live Thread for the SC Democratic Presidential Debate

jnug said:
Kennedy did NOTHING in the Senate. For a young guy, making to the Senate instead of the House carries some prestige. It really does not do much to prepare somebody for the WH. You should look at the rest of the list of Senators that made it to the WH.
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Kennedy did fine. Most Senators do no more. For one example, he gave a historic speech on Vietnam. He authored a bill to remove loyalty oaths. But he did not stand out as a Senator at all other than being above average at skill and interest on foreign policy. He and Robert did begin a war on organized crime they took into the White House.
 
TurtleDude said:
fear-I went to school with her and while I don't remember her some of my friends did and said she has the charisma of a soap dish
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At least you mentioned that Amy’s Yale. How about a Klobuchar/TurdleDude ticket — all Yale.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Like I said, 2 though 6 are a blur for me. I do stand by Bloomberg doing best, think of it, that was a pretty big recovery from last week.
Warren? Annoying and some of her attacks on Bloomberg fell flat.

Maybe I should bump Biden higher especially after his promise to nominate a black woman for the SC; that was really smart to solidify AA support
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I'm sorry, watching Warren hit that arrogant son of a bitch is priceless; total gangster stuff.

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Linc said:
At least you mentioned that Amy’s Yale. How about a Klobuchar/TurdleDude ticket — all Yale.
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I will have to think where we would agree-maybe on reproductive and gay rights. I wouldn't want to live in DC.
 
TurtleDude said:
Pandering of the night

Biden-I will put a black female on the supreme court.
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That was a hell of a smart move going into Saturday's SC primary, though. A helluva' move, IMO!
 
Surrealistik said:
I think Sanders gave a good answer; everything he cited happens to be clear facts detailing the ugliness lying beneath the nominal surface numbers.
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He's as smooth as they come at the podium. No one can dent him & most of them have quit trying.
I looked at the Drudge who won the debate & I agree with the top three
1) Sanders
2) Bloomberg
3) Klobucher
 
A terribly moderated debate showing off the worst of each candidate.
Moderators should have the ability to turn off thr Mic on all the candidates that are not being asked a question.
 
slick said:
He's as smooth as they come at the podium. No one can dent him & most of them have quit trying.
I looked at the Drudge who won the debate & I agree with the top three
1) Sanders
2) Bloomberg
3) Klobucher
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Mostly agreed, though Bloomberg only looks alright purely by virtue of contrast principle and not coming off as totally awful per his last performance.
 
Chomsky said:
That was a hell of a smart move going into Saturday's SC primary, though. A helluva' move, IMO!
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its gonna piss off people who really understand the issue. Remember talking to one of Bush's top advisers and noted that Roberts was yet another white Catholic male. and what this guy said-well he's the best available jurist. I really didn't know much about Roberts but (later to be an Obama era US Attorney) one of the brightest attorneys I worked with-a hard core liberal Jewish Democrat-noted that Roberts really was the best possible choice for any conservative, even if his appointment didn't help Bush with any demographics.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will have to think where we would agree-maybe on reproductive and gay rights. I wouldn't want to live in DC.
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You should look at the bills she has been part of that are now law. For me, I want a Vice-President that knows both chambers in Congress. Pastor Pence does fill that role.
 
My impression of Buttigieg took a big hit with last week's debate and this debate. Even though for the most part he answers well and has good moments, as a matter of fact he comes across as fake, as in rehearsed posturing to be seen as the level-headed good guy. I think I just don't like him in a visceral way. I never liked Warren, she recovered my esteem last week, just to lose it again this week. I find her pretty annoying.

I'm a bit troubled with the fact that Bernie didn't handle well the pressure and the attacks. This doesn't bode well for the continuation because he'll be attacked more and more, and then, if he wins the nomination, he will be brutally attacked by Trump and the right wing.

Bloomberg came across to me as competent, a big contrast with him coming across as an asshole last time.

Steyer had some great moments but he is irrelevant to the race.

Amy also did well but again, she has always polled in the single digits, she has no chance.

Biden efficiently pandered to his crowd, trying to solidify his AA support.

I think this race may very well become one between Bloomberg, Sanders, and Biden.

I can't see how Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren, and Steyer would be able to win the nomination.

If Biden recovers hugely, wins SC, and does well on ST he will be back and the race will remain a 3-way one. If he loses SC he is toast since the lack of any momentum will hurt him on ST too, and the race will be only between Bloomberg and Sanders.

As of now I think Sanders is still the most likely one to win the nomination, followed by Bloomberg, then Biden, and all others have zero chance.
 
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Bernie ran square into an issue I've talked about for decades.

If Hitler is wrongly accused of, say, personally raping women, you should defend Hitler on that, while condemning him on what he did. But it's common for people to react with 'how DARE you defend Hitler?' Bernie got that unfair attack, as he ran into a mob lying that Castro should not be accurately understood on issues like doctors, while condemning him when he deserves.
 
Craig234 said:
JFK won by 84 electoral votes. Texas gave him 24. IF he wouldn't have won it anyway. But his MOTIVE, which is the topic, was for LBJ to help him win.
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Well, yeah. And it worked. But in your first reply in this conversation, you said Klobuchar as veep would be "bad". It's not bad, if it gets you into office. Not getting into office is "badder". I think you're missing that point.
 
TurtleDude said:
can you name a black female who was at the very top of her class at one of the top five law schools who has either been a major league constitutional scholar or one of the top appellate federal judges in the country? I cannot either and it sounds like he wants quotas, not the best available jurists
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Yeah. Supreme Court might be a stretch. But I would totally vote for RuPaul for president.
 
Craig234 said:
Kennedy did fine. Most Senators do no more. For one example, he gave a historic speech on Vietnam. He authored a bill to remove loyalty oaths. But he did not stand out as a Senator at all other than being above average at skill and interest on foreign policy. He and Robert did begin a war on organized crime they took into the White House.
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That was really Bobby's fight against the mob. But it did prove that a Kennedy could stab you in the back as neatly and as quickly as anybody else could. Really Robert was trying to get the mob out of the unions generally and the teamsters specifically. That was his real fight. Had the mob not infiltrated unions especially the teamsters I don't think Bobby would have taken the time and John would have sooner left it all alone.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, yeah. And it worked. But in your first reply in this conversation, you said Klobuchar as veep would be "bad". It's not bad, if it gets you into office. Not getting into office is "badder". I think you're missing that point.
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So, you can show me where it's written in stone as a scientific fact that Klobucher is required for Bernie to win, and he can't win without her as VP? No, you can't. There's more balance to the issue, and Bernie has the responsibility not only to pick a more progressive VP, but to recognize that it's not clear WHO would help him more and a slight boost in that isn't all that matters in the pick.
 
Now Biden is talking about how many voters 'he and Obama brought out' as if he was 1% of that.
 
Diesel said:
Ok, I learned something about a blizzard in Chicago more than forty years ago. Apparently voters were as dumb then as they are now. I would never vote my congressperson out of office because my mail wasn't delivered until 5:30 P.M.
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Thanks for looking at the link, and for responding. Yeah, Chicagoan's take snow removal seriously. Winter is the citizens' common enemy!
 
Surrealistik said:
I see you went with Richie Aprile; clearly a man of taste.
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Tune into next weeks episode of Warren and Bloomie.

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Oh, Warren!

*sitcom music and studio laugh track*
 
GreatNews2night said:
My impression of Buttigieg took a big hit with last week's debate and this debate. Even though for the most part he answers well and has good moments, as a matter of fact he comes across as fake, as in rehearsed posturing to be seen as the level-headed good guy. I think I just don't like him in a visceral way. I never liked Warren, she recovered my esteem last week, just to lose it again this week. I find her pretty annoying.

I'm a bit troubled with the fact that Bernie didn't handle well the pressure and the attacks. This doesn't bode well for the continuation because he'll be attacked more and more, and then, if he wins the nomination, he will be brutally attacked by Trump and the right wing.

Bloomberg came across to me as competent, a big contrast with him coming across as an asshole last time.

Steyer had some great moments but he is irrelevant to the race.

Amy also did well but again, she has always polled in the single digits, she has no chance.

Bernie efficiently pandered to his crowd, trying to solidify his AA support.

I think this race may very well become one between Bloomberg, Sanders, and Biden.

I can't see how Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren, and Steyer would be able to win the nomination.

If Biden recovers hugely, wins SC, and does well on ST he will be back and the race will remain a 3-way one. If he loses SC he is toast since the lack of any momentum will hurt him on ST too, and the race will be only between Bloomberg and Sanders.

As of now I think Sanders is still the most likely one to win the nomination, followed by Bloomberg, then Biden, and all others have zero chance.
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Mostly agreed with this, but Bloomberg still came off like an arrogant prick, especially when he tried to credit NY life expectancy to himself, and then he ****ed up the easy T ball on Xi by once again refusing to call him a dictator or otherwise denounce him. He only looks better purely on the basis of contrast principle since he didn't get utterly demolished in real time on national television; this was not a strong debate for him.
 
Craig234 said:
Now Biden is talking about how many voters 'he and Obama brought out' as if he was 1% of that.
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Only thing Biden did for Obama was to make a lot of people of both parties hope Obama had a long life. :lamo
 
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