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Bernie's M4 All financing plan

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Boom. Paid for along with saving tens of thousands of lives per year and closing in on half a trillion dollars a year in savings. Next gripe?

Lancet Study Author Says Sanders' Financing Plan Fully Covers Cost of Medicare for All

"The options laid out by Sen. Sanders last night will more than cover" the cost of Medicare for All, said Yale University’s Alison Galvani, one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing, and the co-author of a comprehensive report published in The Lancet analyzing the prospect of single-payer health care in the United States.

Galvani touted the details of Sanders’ financing plan released last night at a CNN town hall.

The Washington Post reports that the Lancet study shows “national single-payer health-care system would save tens of thousands of lives each year — and hundreds of billions of dollars.” In all, the Post notes that the study shows a “single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year.”​
 
poweRob said:
Boom. Paid for along with saving tens of thousands of lives per year and closing in on half a trillion dollars a year in savings. Next gripe?

Lancet Study Author Says Sanders' Financing Plan Fully Covers Cost of Medicare for All

"The options laid out by Sen. Sanders last night will more than cover" the cost of Medicare for All, said Yale University’s Alison Galvani, one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing, and the co-author of a comprehensive report published in The Lancet analyzing the prospect of single-payer health care in the United States.

Galvani touted the details of Sanders’ financing plan released last night at a CNN town hall.

The Washington Post reports that the Lancet study shows “national single-payer health-care system would save tens of thousands of lives each year — and hundreds of billions of dollars.” In all, the Post notes that the study shows a “single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year.”​
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The defense department budget is $686 billion a year (2018), so we'd basically pick up a new, second defense department budget.
 
Well, that's one item of free **** [that's not free]
 
Good for Bernie. I completely disagree with some of his items (debt forgiveness and wealth tax), but it's good for him to give so many details and politically a good move - in tonight's debate, he has a great answer for all the "how you going to pay for it" questions.

WCH said:
Well, that's one item of free **** [that's not free]
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His proposal covers ALL of his items if you look at it...

swing_voter said:
The defense department budget is $686 billion a year (2018), so we'd basically pick up a new, second defense department budget.
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What's your point? He shows how he intends to pay for it. Part of it is raising money from REDUCING defense budget by the way.
 
The one downside to Government-run healthcare is the government handling it. The government can easily **** up a lemonade stand....imagine how they would mismanage the healthcare needs of 300M people.
 
Roadvirus said:
The one downside to Government-run healthcare is the government handling it. The government can easily **** up a lemonade stand....imagine how they would mismanage the healthcare needs of 300M people.
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Government has experience doing so already: Medicare is quite a popular program already.
 
Roadvirus said:
The one downside to Government-run healthcare is the government handling it. The government can easily **** up a lemonade stand....imagine how they would mismanage the healthcare needs of 300M people.
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The government would neither own nor run the Healthcare system under Bernie's plan, simply administer the payment system. The doctor of your choice at the hospital of your choice is still private.
 
"Derr, gubmint bad" is not an argument.

Especially not when European governments manage it just fine in different ways.
 
swing_voter said:
The defense department budget is $686 billion a year (2018), so we'd basically pick up a new, second defense department budget.
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And lose personal expenses that currently dwarf it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The government would neither own nor run the Healthcare system under Bernie's plan, simply administer the payment system. The doctor of your choice at the hospital of your choice is still private.
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Do you know how hard it is to get in with a doctor that accepts medicare?
 
WCH said:
Do you know how hard it is to get in with a doctor that accepts medicare?
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Not that hard. In fact it's rare to find a doctor in our area who does not. The only ones who don't are the cosmetic surgery/LASIK types. And they are the most expensive. So much for the free market making things affordable for all.
 
ataraxia said:
Not that hard. In fact it's rare to find a doctor in our area who does not. The only ones who don't are the cosmetic surgery/LASIK types. And they are the most expensive. So much for the free market making things affordable for all.
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We'll see how many stick around when the government controls pricing for all.
 
WCH said:
We'll see how many stick around when the government controls pricing for all.
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As many as in the UK, EU countries, Japan, Thailand, Singapore, etc...
 
What is Sanders going to do to address the deficit we currently have and the debt we owe. Seems the debt will continue to grow.

The one major flaw for me in his health care plan is the coverage for illegal aliens. Seems the US would be setting itself up for an increase number of illegals.
 
mike2810 said:
What is Sanders going to do to address the deficit we currently have and the debt we owe. Seems the debt will continue to grow.

The one major flaw for me in his health care plan is the coverage for illegal aliens. Seems the US would be setting itself up for an increase number of illegals.
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Push the reset button like he wants to do with college loans.
 
poweRob said:
Boom. Paid for along with saving tens of thousands of lives per year and closing in on half a trillion dollars a year in savings. Next gripe?

Lancet Study Author Says Sanders' Financing Plan Fully Covers Cost of Medicare for All

"The options laid out by Sen. Sanders last night will more than cover" the cost of Medicare for All, said Yale University’s Alison Galvani, one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing, and the co-author of a comprehensive report published in The Lancet analyzing the prospect of single-payer health care in the United States.

Galvani touted the details of Sanders’ financing plan released last night at a CNN town hall.

The Washington Post reports that the Lancet study shows “national single-payer health-care system would save tens of thousands of lives each year — and hundreds of billions of dollars.” In all, the Post notes that the study shows a “single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year.”​
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Bernie has only identified $17.4T of funding for what is estimated by him at a $30T plan and by some as a $34T plan.
 
Technically it's not Bernie's plan. It's some study from an obscure, left-leaning think tank.

Interestingly, I can't find how much the Lancet study says their M4A will cost, only how much it will save. In their opinion.

Also, I like my healthcare and I don't want to change. Can I opt out? Can the 180 million Americans who are also happy with their healthcare opt out?

At least Bernie isn't going to lie and tell me I can keep my doctor and health plan if I like them. He doesn't give a **** what I like.
 
Reverse and undo ALL of Reaganomics and we won't have difficulty paying for pretty much anything.
 
WCH said:
Push the reset button like he wants to do with college loans.
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Might as well propose the Feds will pay off all debts, except for billionaires. (houses, cars, etc).
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Reverse and undo ALL of Reaganomics and we won't have difficulty paying for pretty much anything.
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At this point we are running such high deficits that it will be a task just paying what we are already committed to pay. We are running $1.4T in discretionary spending which is $1T higher than we can afford. It will be $1T higher this year and $1T higher next year and $1T higher than we have the money for the year after that too. The only thing helping us is low interest rates which of course won't last forever. Earth to DonDon and Bernie for that matter: Nothing lasts forever.

As could have been predicted Trump's Corp Tax cut that was too steep produced a Sugar High which is now wearing off. We are headed right back to pre-Sugar High GDP growth if nobody has noticed. Taking the nominal Corp rate all the way down to 21% when 26% would have been fine is giving us an additional $600B hole in revenue and we are getting absolutely nothing for it. So our revenues have been cut, our expenditures in the form of $1T over the $400B in discretionary spending that we could afford were raised and what growth there is isn't making up for it AT ALL. What a shocker that is. Unwinding Reaganomics is not the problem now. Unwinding Trumpanomics is.

We have allowed Trump to ignore the burgeoning debt obligation and now we are going to allow Bernie to do the same thing? Not very rational.

At some point we are going to box ourselves into a corner forcing us to monetize the debt. At that point its a whole new ballgame with inflation that will make the Carter era inflation look like a walk in the park and holds the very real possibility of bringing on epic stagflation. There are probably not many of us left alive that remember Carter era Inflation nor stagflation for that matter.

We are going to pay in spades for having put Donald Trump in the WH and a Bernie spending spree only exacerbates the problem. We have a longer runway than other economies around the world but that is really all we have any more, a longer runway. It does not go on forever though and we keep kicking the can down the road. We likely have one or two decades to clean up even our current mess with little to no expectation that the longest expansion in our history just keeps going. It never has before and there is no reason to expect it will now.

We balanced the Budget in the Clinton years. Then Bush 43 and Obama fiscal and monetary officials had to stimulate the economy after the meltdown. At least that was a problem that needed solving. They probably went one stimulus package too deep. But I would defy anybody to have done a better job under the intense pressure they were under.

Trump is just spending money we don't have on wild eyed, screw ball economic policy while busting out the discretionary spending budget. He is spending too much too fast trying to retool the Military and then there are his other pet projects!

I would not allow anybody, Trump or Bernie or anybody else to spend another thin dime until there is a rational plan in place to deal with the deficit and the debt. Right now, believe it or not, there is no plan.
 
poweRob said:
Boom. Paid for along with saving tens of thousands of lives per year and closing in on half a trillion dollars a year in savings. Next gripe?

Lancet Study Author Says Sanders' Financing Plan Fully Covers Cost of Medicare for All

"The options laid out by Sen. Sanders last night will more than cover" the cost of Medicare for All, said Yale University’s Alison Galvani, one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing, and the co-author of a comprehensive report published in The Lancet analyzing the prospect of single-payer health care in the United States.

Galvani touted the details of Sanders’ financing plan released last night at a CNN town hall.

The Washington Post reports that the Lancet study shows “national single-payer health-care system would save tens of thousands of lives each year — and hundreds of billions of dollars.” In all, the Post notes that the study shows a “single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year.”​
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So that article offers no numbers and no supporting evidence. I highly doubt the government is going to do simplified billing, they aren't capable. I also doubt they can force cuts on doctors and hospitals to the level of Medicare, which is a 40% cut overall, to make those numbers work out. Tax increases, long lines waiting on service, fewer doctors, is what I would expect to see.
 
poweRob said:
Boom. Paid for along with saving tens of thousands of lives per year and closing in on half a trillion dollars a year in savings. Next gripe?

Lancet Study Author Says Sanders' Financing Plan Fully Covers Cost of Medicare for All

"The options laid out by Sen. Sanders last night will more than cover" the cost of Medicare for All, said Yale University’s Alison Galvani, one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing, and the co-author of a comprehensive report published in The Lancet analyzing the prospect of single-payer health care in the United States.

Galvani touted the details of Sanders’ financing plan released last night at a CNN town hall.

The Washington Post reports that the Lancet study shows “national single-payer health-care system would save tens of thousands of lives each year — and hundreds of billions of dollars.” In all, the Post notes that the study shows a “single-payer health-care system would save more than 68,000 lives and $450 billion a year.”​
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Appeals to authority usually at least rely on someone who’s an authority on the subject in question. Galvani is an epidemiologist, not “one of the nation’s leading experts on health care financing.”
 
jnug said:
We are going to pay in spades for having put Donald Trump in the WH and a Bernie spending spree only exacerbates the problem.
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You didn't understand what I meant.
Undoing Reaganomics...what is the cornerstone of Reaganomics? Corporate tax cuts, followed by more, followed by more, followed by more, and more, and more.
Most of the largest corporations are paying ZERO.
In the Ike administration corporate tax was paying for almost half the government.
 
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