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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    If the Democratic Party nominates a candidate that the majority of Democrats themselves oppose, they have no chance in November. Yielding to a socialist vowing to destroy the Democratic Party unless he gets everything he wants as a militant minority would be a fatal permanent wound to the formerly liberal Democratic Party.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The reason it would "doom" the winning ticket is because Sander's is not a Democrat, never gave a damn about the Democrats, openly despises liberals, and is a political terrorist ranting that if Democrats don't make him the nominee he'll get Trump re-elected in retaliation.

    Sanders is a fake, a fraud. A racial segregation, a person who has never been motivated by ethics in politics, but political expediency. He openly admits it as his explanation for voting against gun control laws and voting with Republicans to deny 6 million dreamers a path to citizenship.
    Yeah, he's no saint. I'm not a member of his cult. But I think he is the best bet to beat Trump so I joined him. While I find him to be no saint, I do see that he has qualities, too.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the Democratic Party nominates a candidate that the majority of Democrats themselves oppose, they have no chance in November. Yielding to a socialist vowing to destroy the Democratic Party unless he gets everything he wants as a militant minority would be a fatal permanent wound to the formerly liberal Democratic Party.
    You know, in Nevada 52% of the popular vote went to the progressives, Bernie with 40.5%, and Warren with 11.5%, so don't be so sure that the majority of voters don't want a progressive.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Yeah, he's no saint. I'm not a member of his cult. But I think he is the best bet to beat Trump so I joined him. While I find him to be no saint, I do see that he has qualities, too.
    All you have to do is defeat capitalism. I certain everyone in the corporate world, upper middle class and upper class won't mind having all their wealth stolen from them by a socialist. They won't do anything in the election and then they'll just turn over their money - plus foreign investors will gladly send massive sums of money to the socialist government too.

    Rather, I suspect they will throw their money and muscle against Sanders - and if that fails $50 trillion dollars will flee the USA and no more foreign money will be coming in. It was Obama who accurately explained by the world uses the US dollar and pours money into the USA. It is because we have a stable political capitalistic system. A Sander's presidency eliminated that, promising radical hyper inflation with $100 trillion in spending making the dollar worthless and massive taxes so that all wealth flees the country.

    With Sanders the nominee, it is a straight up contest between capitalism and socialism. Will we become Venezuela or not?
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Think of it like this United.

    In 1992 Bill Clinton won the Presidential election with 43% of the vote.

    By your standards, Clinton actually lost the 1992 Presidential election. Because George Bush and Ross Perot's votes combined together are more votes than Clinton. So, since there's more votes for Bush and Perot one of them gets to be President rather than the winner.
    I don't think he's saying that one of the non-plurality candidates should definitely be chosen over the plurality winner. I think he's saying that a candidate winning a plurality of votes doesn't necessarily mean that that candidate should be the winner.

    Speaking for myself, often the plurality winner would also be my ideal winner, but there are scenarios where I don't think the candidate would be.

    For example: a three candidate race where Candidate A gets 33%, Candidate B gets 33%, and Candidate C gets 34%. If 100% of Candidate A and B voters would prefer the other one to Candidate C I would argue an ideal voting system would not declare candidate C the winner just because they got a plurality. And personally, the best voting system I know of that avoids these possibilities is ranked choice voting.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    The plurality candidate Sanders got 33.99% of the vote in NV, not 40.5%, which should have given him 12 of 36 delegates. Instead, the electoral college (1) caucuses and (2) 15% threshold — gave him 24 of 36 delegates. Spare all of us how unfair it would be to not nominate a ‘MINORITY/PLURALITY’ candidate.

    Spare all of us Real Democrats how horrified we are at Sanders defending Castro. He also supports leftist thugs and dictators like Maduro, Morales, and Ortega. This is a complete no-go for Latinos in Florida and throughout the other 19 swing states.

    Sanders’s anti-Israeli comments will be taken out of context and horrify Jewish Americans, a key Democratic voting subset. Sanders’s threat to primary Obama will cost him African-American voters. Sanders’s lying, cutthroat staff is accusing Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy of lying.

    This is all well-known oppo dirt on Sanders. trumpco waits in glee to use it. The Bernie ‘tapes’ will paint him as a communist, a supporter of the Soviet Union. Sanders’s lunatic writings on Rape and Female Cancer are COMPLETELY OUT of the mainstream of the Democratic Party, let alone the Nation.

    There’s no question in my mind that Socialist Sanders and his Justice Socialists want to burn down the Democratic Party and Replace it. Bernie leftists have now thrown away at least the first half of this Century to the Fascist Republicans.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

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    I don't think he's saying that one of the non-plurality candidates should definitely be chosen over the plurality winner. I think he's saying that a candidate winning a plurality of votes doesn't necessarily mean that that candidate should be the winner.

    Speaking for myself, often the plurality winner would also be my ideal winner, but there are scenarios where I don't think the candidate would be.

    For example: a three candidate race where Candidate A gets 33%, Candidate B gets 33%, and Candidate C gets 34%. If 100% of Candidate A and B voters would prefer the other one to Candidate C I would argue an ideal voting system would not declare candidate C the winner just because they got a plurality. And personally, the best voting system I know of that avoids these possibilities is ranked choice voting.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It is waaay too early to suggest that Sanders will sweep the remaining primaries.
    Especially if one looks back at Clinton.
    I think I remember him losing something like TWELVE of these before suddenly shooting up to the stratosphere.
    I wouldn't be surprised if you have the exact numbers re his trajectory.
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    But, we know the Super Delegates wouldn't use the 2nd ballot to help Bernie, even if those Biden voters 2nd choice was Bernie. In other words, they aren't just trying to get to the most accurate reflection of the voter's interests by taking it to a 2nd ballot, cause Bernie would win that too.
    On the other hand, in the whole history of the Democratic Party, superdelegates have always rallied behind the candidate with the most popular votes, with the only exception being 1968 when the incumbent president faced primaries, but then in the middle of the process dropped out and his veep took over but never had the opportunity to earn popular votes; meanwhile the other major candidate got assassinated. Other than for this extremely atypical primary, the party superdelegates always waited to see who had the most support and the most popular votes then unanimously rallied behind that person, to show unity and strength. Will this convention be any different?
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    Re: Bernie may earn straight convention majority with no need for second ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    On the other hand, in the whole history of the Democratic Party, superdelegates have always rallied behind the candidate with the most popular votes, with the only exception being 1968 when the incumbent president faced primaries, but then in the middle of the process dropped out and his veep took over but never had the opportunity to earn popular votes; meanwhile the other major candidate got assassinated. Other than for this extremely atypical primary, the party superdelegates always waited to see who had the most support and the most popular votes then unanimously rallied behind that person, to show unity and strength. Will this convention be any different?
    Maybe. Sanders has to over-win in order to win. He needs a convincing majority. It can't even be contemplated by the supers because it's opening up a can of worms. And at least one party is going to go home resentful and embittered.
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