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Bernie offers voters "free" childcare

Drawdown said:
It does, but no everyone is in that situation. Those who are would naturally keep their child at home. Like I said, this is a program that primarily benefits people on the margins.
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It would primarily help to keep people "on the margins". Why work more (or harder) to get that which is offered "free"?
 
aociswundumho said:
Sanders reveals free childcare plan for preschoolers - Axios



Once again, Bernie is trying to bribe the voters with their own money. Won't be too long before he offers everyone a free new car in exchange for voting for him.

This unrelated part I found to be hilarious:



So Sanders will gladly support a person like Bloomberg who implemented a "horrifically racist" policy for 12 years.

What a hypocrite.
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Here is a suggestion. Rather than hold the next Democratic debate,lets have an auction.

Let the candidates spend an hour or two increasing the free stuff they are willing to commit to if people vote for them.

This dribbling out of yet another giveaway might get voters are the free stuff they are entitled to.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It would primarily help to keep people "on the margins". Why work more (or harder) to get that which is offered "free"?
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Because most people like to feel the dignity of being a full member of society, regardless of external economic influences.
 
tacomancer said:
Because most people like to feel the dignity of being a full member of society, regardless of external economic influences.
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That is true, but that does not explain why we have had a poverty rate of between 12% and 15% since 1965 despite spending many billions on the "war on poverty".
 
What about people without kids? We had pets all our lives. Do we get free dog walking?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Believe it or not, but there are more options than Sanders or Trump in a nation of 330M. The idea that we the sheeple must vote for either the "D" or "R" selection offered us is the problem.
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If you have a choice between a broken leg or broken arm (and you don't choose), that doesn't mean you don't get a broken limb. It just means someone chooses which limb gets broken for you. Unfortunately, we are a two-party dominant system. The president in 2020 WILL be an R or a D. It's that simple. They wrote the rules to keep themselves in power and ultimately (and effectively) keep third parties from being president. Not picking one just gives you a result you aren't going to like anyway.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... why not free housing, food, clothing, transportation, medical care and utility service as long as someone in that household is employed? BTW, who is going to provide these free goods/services?
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They already get that except for the transportation part.
if you are on government assistance section 8 housing.

you get
Free food,
huge subsidized rent
subsidized utilities
healthcare

the only thing you do have to buy is clothes and transportation.
 
Ikari said:
It's a huge cost, for sure. Childcare costs in America can be very, very expensive. Colorado added Kindegarden to public school, so you don't have to pay for that here now. It's harder to say if pre-K should be included in that. But single parent homes can really suffer under the costs of childcare. Some families that are fortunate enough to be able to make it with 1 income sometimes choose to be single-income because the other parent couldn't make enough to justify the childcare costs.

So we can talk about this being a "give away", but there is a real issue at the heart of it here. I don't agree with Sander's solutions to most these problems, but what he does talk about are actual issues that exist.
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Agreed. Perhaps some middle ground where some of the costs are tax deductible.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is true, but that does not explain why we have had a poverty rate of between 12% and 15% since 1965 despite spending many billions on the "war on poverty".
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So far all of our efforts have been spotty, opposed, and half assed. It is possible that the povery rate cannot be helped by these methods, but until there is a real concerted effort, we may never know either.
 
DamnYankee said:
I wonder how many people out there are thinking to themselves...why in the Sam hell do I have to pay for "free" childcare when I don't have any children that need care?
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You want a place by the fire and the safety in numbers? Give up some of what you hunted and gathered to the tribe.
How do you expect a single mother to get off welfare if she can't pay for childcare?
 
Lovebug said:
What about people without kids? We had pets all our lives. Do we get free dog walking?
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Do you complain about taxes being used for fire departments even though your house has never been on fire? Do you complain about taxes being used for Bus Transportation even though you drive a car?

I don't support foreign aid or the wars that we are currently in, does that mean I can have my taxes used for something else? Your arguments are ridiculous.
 
ludin said:
They already get that except for the transportation part.
if you are on government assistance section 8 housing.

you get
Free food,
huge subsidized rent
subsidized utilities
healthcare

the only thing you do have to buy is clothes and transportation.
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That is not entirely true - in many cases it requires having a minor dependent (or two or three) to get that "free" stuff.
 
tacomancer said:
So far all of our efforts have been spotty, opposed, and half assed. It is possible that the povery rate cannot be helped by these methods, but until there is a real concerted effort, we may never know either.
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Poverty is a cycle of dependency - continuously doing the same thing is not going to produce a different result.
 
Praxas said:
Do you complain about taxes being used for fire departments even though your house has never been on fire? Do you complain about taxes being used for Bus Transportation even though you drive a car?

I don't support foreign aid or the wars that we are currently in, does that mean I can have my taxes used for something else? Your arguments are ridiculous.
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I am dead serious. It was not a complaint. Some workplaces allow pets already. Other workplaces have in house child care as incentives. I think that is a fine trend. Dang, why dp people go in the attack mode so quick?
 
Did he say anything about presidents of the United States using federal bankruptcy protection to not pay their bills?
 
swing_voter said:
Bernie is going to raise the minimum wage to $15.

More free money to people.
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It's already $15 here in San Jose, but full-time childcare runs about $300-400 a week per child. If you have say 2-3 kids, that can be as much as your wages. Employers should be forced to pay for that as part of a livable wage.
 
eman623 said:
It's already $15 here in San Jose, but full-time childcare runs about $300-400 a week per child. If you have say 2-3 kids, that can be as much as your wages. Employers should be forced to pay for that as part of a livable wage.
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Why should employers be forced to pay for the poor family planning of their employees?
 
Napoleon said:
Why should employers be forced to pay for the poor family planning of their employees?
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:roll:
There you go. We should adopt China's one child policy and abort the lot of them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What Sanders describes as "free" is simply having others paying for that good/service based on those others allegedly having "too much" income/wealth. When the goal is ever more equality of outcome (via government enforced income/wealth redistribution) then the incentive to produce as much as, if not more than, one's household consumes largely disappears. When all basic needs become "rights" (supplied "free" by the government) then one only need work (on the books) in order to secure luxuries.
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I'm not asking "others" to pay for jack ****. Do you pay taxes? I do. Is it too much to ask that we expect some concrete benefits in return? One would think that state funded childcare would be a freaking boon to anyone who has kids but also needs a job.
 
Casper said:
Yes it is right, it goes to the benefit of our young and helps the Nation as a whole.
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Isn't the school system in the U.S. supposed to be sucking hind tit?
 
apdst said:
Isn't the school system in the U.S. supposed to be sucking hind tit?
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Different topic, how it is applied does change the fact that it for the National good.
 
Irredentist said:
I'm not asking "others" to pay for jack ****. Do you pay taxes? I do. Is it too much to ask that we expect some concrete benefits in return? One would think that state funded childcare would be a freaking boon to anyone who has kids but also needs a job.
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OK, then let the states, counties or cities fund it. The ridiculous notion that all must be funded by a new federal program is what must be stopped.
 
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