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Stop the nonsense - Bernie is just a social democrat

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Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding

It’s hardly news, of course, that the Vermont senator has an idiosyncratic conception of “democratic socialism” — one that does not involve the abolition of profit or worker ownership of the means of production. But on CNN Monday night, Sanders not only disavowed his decades-old calls for the nationalization of major industries but suggested that democratic socialism is effectively a synonym for (the left-wing of) New Deal liberalism.
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Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think

"To me, socialism doesn't mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living."
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I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
 
First, is it your argument is that Bernie Sanders does not know the meaning of the term "Democratic Socialist" despite his labeling himself as such for the past four-plus decades, or that he is lying about his positions?

Second, as far as the New Deal being socialist, it pretty much was as socialist as anything Venezuela did. It should be remembered that Roosevelt's administration was making it illegal for farmers to grow food to feed their own animals. That is an extreme level of Federal interference in people's internal economic affairs. I do not want to see us going back to the New Deal when the Federal government could regulate and control our daily lives to such an extraordinary degree and when the Federal government was socialist in everything but name.

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And by the way, I find the idea of Bernie Sanders not "nationalizing" anything while he was the Mayor of Burlington as argument against his being a socialist an inane non sequitur. It is not in a mayor's power to "nationalize" anything. Anymore than Steve King not instituting racial segregation in Iowa as a Senator disproves the fact that he is a colossal reactionary racist.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding



Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think



I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
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Open borders is the Red Line for me.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding



Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think



I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
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I have a hunch that he identifies as a democratic socialist because that label was floating around during his earliest years of activism. MLK wrote about his own fondness for it. I think it causes unnecessary fear for older voters, but there are a lot of young people picking it up and running with it. It is essentially social democracy, but the meaning of words evolve over time.
 
Felis Leo said:
First, is it your argument is that Bernie Sanders does not know the meaning of the term "Democratic Socialist" despite his labeling himself as such for the past four-plus decades, or that he is lying about his positions?

Second, as far as the New Deal being socialist, it pretty much was as socialist as anything Venezuela did. It should be remembered that Roosevelt's administration was making it illegal for farmers to grow food to feed their own animals. That is an extreme level of Federal interference in people's internal economic affairs. I do not want to see us going back to the New Deal when the Federal government could regulate and control our daily lives to such an extraordinary degree and when the Federal government was socialist in everything but name.
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Yes, I wouldn't totally exclude the idea that even Bernie himself doesn't understand the full implications of the term he chose to characterize himself by. But I think it's more likely to be his rebellious personality trait and shock value.

As for a risk to go exactly to what FDR's America was, first of all, I don't even think that Bernie if elected POTUS would get more than 5% of his agenda voted into law. And even for that he would have to negotiate hard.

For example, in health care, I believe that the best that Bernie can hope for is strengthening of the ACA, some limited lowering of the eligibility age for Medicare, some Medicaid extension in a few states (those with Democratic governors and general assemblies), and maybe, big maybe, a limited and basic public option integrated into the ACA exchanges.

But this, in my opinion, beats the alternative: Trump and the evil GOP finishing destroying the ACA, and eliminating all regulations for health care insurers including doing away with protections for pre-existing conditions, and implementing Medicaid and Medicare cuts.

Medicare For All? It is not going to pass.

So, all the hysteria about Bernie's socialism is just a way to fight him off politically.
 
Double post
 
MrPeanut said:
I have a hunch that he identifies as a democratic socialist because that label was floating around during his earliest years of activism. MLK wrote about his own fondness for it. I think it causes unnecessary fear for older voters, but there are a lot of young people picking it up and running with it. It is essentially social democracy, but the meaning of words evolve over time.
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Yes, excellent points.
 
Felis Leo said:
First, is it your argument is that Bernie Sanders does not know the meaning of the term "Democratic Socialist" despite his labeling himself as such for the past four-plus decades, or that he is lying about his positions?

Second, as far as the New Deal being socialist, it pretty much was as socialist as anything Venezuela did. It should be remembered that Roosevelt's administration was making it illegal for farmers to grow food to feed their own animals. That is an extreme level of Federal interference in people's internal economic affairs. I do not want to see us going back to the New Deal when the Federal government could regulate and control our daily lives to such an extraordinary degree and when the Federal government was socialist in everything but name.



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And by the way, I find the idea of Bernie Sanders not "nationalizing" anything while he was the Mayor of Burlington as argument against his being a socialist an inane non sequitur. It is not in a mayor's power to "nationalize" anything. Anymore than Steve King not instituting racial segregation in Iowa as a Senator disproves the fact that he is a colossal reactionary racist.
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We, as in both republicans and democrats, have farmers do crazy stuff all the time. Did you know we pay farmers not to grow food?
 
Felis Leo said:
Double post
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What? Do you mean that you posted a duplicate then edited it down to two words "double post"? When you post duplicates, you have up to 20 minutes to delete the post. Just go to Edit, and see that there is a button to delete.
 
At Felis Leo - of course City Hall can exercise some similar ideas. Of course they can't "nationalize" anything because cities are not nations. But my town, for example, started a broad band Internet service, municipally owned, and managed to outlaw competitors like Spectrum within city limits so now it's a publicly owned monopoly. Certain cities have city-owned community farms, city-owned solar panel farms, etc. What Bernie said is that he didn't try to do any of this in Burlington, VT. Now, whether or not his argument is inane is maybe a valid point to debate, but it is more significant that he made this point in an interview (betraying the fact that he is not a true socialist) rather than whether or not a mayor can do anything equivalent, as a way of speaking, to nationalization.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Open borders is the Red Line for me.
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I don't like it either (I'm strongly against illegal immigration) but he would never be able to pass it. He will propose reinstatement of DACA, will propose immigration reform with a path to citizenship, but it is ultimately the role of Congress to pass bills on this so that he signs them into laws. No bills, no laws. We've seen that executive action on this is not a permanent solution (the sheer case of DACA is a prime example).
 
GreatNews2night said:
I don't like it either (I'm strongly against illegal immigration) but he would never be able to pass it. He will propose reinstatement of DACA, will propose immigration reform with a path to citizenship, but it is ultimately the role of Congress to pass bills on this so that he signs them into laws. No bills, no laws. We've seen that executive action on this is not a permanent solution (the sheer case of DACA is a prime example).
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He does not need Congress, as he needs to do is to refuse to let the executive branch apply the law to illegals.

Yes, America is that bad now where Presidents think that they get to decide which laws are ignored.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding



Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think



I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
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If Frank Zappa was alive today, you'd see him arm in arm with Bernie. And Zappa was a libertarian.
 
GreatNews2night said:
At Felis Leo - of course City Hall can exercise some similar ideas. Of course they can't "nationalize" anything because cities are not nations. But my town, for example, started a broad band Internet service, municipally owned, and managed to outlaw competitors like Spectrum within city limits so now it's a publicly owned monopoly. Certain cities have city-owned community farms, city-owned solar panel farms, etc. What Bernie said is that he didn't try to do any of this in Burlington, VT. Now, whether or not his argument is inane is maybe a valid point to debate, but it is more significant that he made this point in an interview (betraying the fact that he is not a true socialist) rather than whether or not a mayor can do anything equivalent, as a way of speaking, to nationalization.
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My point is that it is a non-argument. I think he has a far more troubling record that demonstrates his socialist bona fides moreso than his lack of radical government takeovers during his mayorship of a town of 40,000 people (I do not know how large or small it was when he was its mayor).

Again, it would be like arguing that Steve King certainly could not be a racist if he said "Hey, how can you call me a racist when I didn't push for segregation in Iowa?"
 
GreatNews2night said:
Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding



Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think



I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
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I do not care what label you or anyone else attaches to him, nor do I understand why anyone would care. Labels only confuse and oversimplify. My objections to Sanders are based on his actions and platform.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I don't like it either (I'm strongly against illegal immigration) but he would never be able to pass it. He will propose reinstatement of DACA, will propose immigration reform with a path to citizenship, but it is ultimately the role of Congress to pass bills on this so that he signs them into laws. No bills, no laws. We've seen that executive action on this is not a permanent solution (the sheer case of DACA is a prime example).
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As Hawkeye10 pointed out, if we have a President who says they are for de facto open borders, and means it, we are going to have open borders. They have complete prosecutorial discretion to ignore the law and refuse its enforcement. He can legally appoint an open-borders AG who refuses to prosecute any immigration violations, and very little could be done about it.
 
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MrPeanut said:
I have a hunch that he identifies as a democratic socialist because that label was floating around during his earliest years of activism. MLK wrote about his own fondness for it. I think it causes unnecessary fear for older voters, but there are a lot of young people picking it up and running with it. It is essentially social democracy, but the meaning of words evolve over time.
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In the 1960's you couldn't turn around without bumping into and tripping over fiery icons with messy hair, intellectual glasses and rumpled tweed jackets with leather elbow patches who stumped for compassionate social evolution. Girls swooned over them, too.
And though they were mostly just advocating for better treatment of the working stiffs, if they branded themselves as revolutionaries instead of evolutionaries, the girls identified them as warrior types. As you might have guessed, that's a sure fire guarantee of even more snail trails of delight.

Bernie IS a hetero male. I'd love to hand him a decoder ring so that he can learn the new tags, tropes and lingo but when an old man tries to speak in the vernacular of the young, it sometimes winds up sounding very forced and silly.
So Bernie prefers to stick with the script he learned as a young man.
Can't say I blame him, because my own daughter flashes me an embarrassed grimace whenever I say that something was "random".
 
GreatNews2night said:
Sure, "communist" like even Bloomberg called him in the Nevada debate is a cheap shot, and Bernie reacted by saying exactly that. So, no, he isn't a communist.

But Bernie himself muddies the waters calling himself a democratic socialist, although he is anything but. What he is, is a social democrat. Here:

Bernie Sanders is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist — Quartz

Bernie's model is Canada's and Scandinavia's rather than Angola's, obviously (Angola is a country that actually defines its dominant system as democratic socialism). And of course, Bernie's vision is not the Marxist-Leninist orientation of Cuba.

And here, from the horse's mouth:

Bernie: I’m Just a New Deal Liberal in Socialist’s Branding



Bernie has also said in a TV interview with CBS that "I didn't do the equivalent of nationalizing anything when I was the mayor of Burlington, VT, right? My thinking on this has evolved." I paraphrase because this was on TV and I don't have a link to it, but that's what he said.

And here he was even clearer:

Wait
a moment, praise for the New Deal? No
interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism! - Big Think



I'm aware that it is basically Bernie's fault for not being clear on the definitions... All that it demonstrates, though, is that Bernie has failed Political Science 101. But he is no socialist. He is more like FDR.

Why does he twist the definition? Some say it's because he wants the shock value, to de-stigmatize the word. Others say he wants to stick it to the bourgeoisie, by being rebellious (this is a bit infantile, for me). You know, Bernie has this personality trait of trying to be different. He calls himself an independent but has always caucused with the Democratic Party and he his voting records aligns with the Party's values and recommendations more than many other life-long Democratic senators, like I've shown with Bernie's actual voting record compared for example with Klobuchar's and especially Munchin's (the latter has voted with what Trump asked for and recommended, a whooping 52% of the time; Klobuchar some 34%, and Bernie only 16%).

I think that Bernie actually does a disservice to his electoral chances by insisting with this misguided label of "Democratic socialist" when he is actually a social democrat, in the sense that he gives ammunition to his electoral enemies, who keep pushing the idea of the socialist boogeyman who is coming to destroy America's economy.

Rest assured, fellow voters: if Bernie wins the November election, America's capitalism will survive just fine. We won't turn into Angola or Venezuela.
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Then Bernie should not have self-avowed as a Democratic Socialist. Its that simple. Just as a matter of politics it was a bad move. In politics if you are explaining, you are losing and while barely being challenged at this point Bernie and his campaigners are doing an awful lot of explaining. They will end up doing a whole lot more explaining if he becomes the nominee and has to confront DonDon and the T-Party.

That the Trump Disinformation Apparatus calls every Dem a Socialist and will call Bernie a Communist is Bernie's problem. Its Bernie's problem because it was baked into the mix. Expecting Trump not to be Trump and the T-Party not to be the T-Party is simply not realistic.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
In the 1960's you couldn't turn around without bumping into and tripping over fiery icons with messy hair, intellectual glasses and rumpled tweed jackets with leather elbow patches who stumped for compassionate social evolution. Girls swooned over them, too.
And though they were mostly just advocating for better treatment of the working stiffs, if they branded themselves as revolutionaries instead of evolutionaries, the girls identified them as warrior types.

Bernie IS a hetero male. I'd love to hand him a decoder ring so that he can learn the new tags, tropes and lingo but when an old man tries to speak in the vernacular of the young, it sometimes winds up sounding very forced and silly.
So Bernie prefers to stick with the script he learned as a young man.
Can't say I blame him, because my own daughter flashes me an embarrassed grimace whenever I say that something was "random".
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She just wishes you were more on fleek and less extra
 
Digger said:
Where did you get the idea that someone wants open borders?
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If a person does not believe illegal immigrants should be deported, and that illegal border crossers should not be detained with the object being deportation, then one is effectively for "open borders".
 
Felis Leo said:
If a person does not believe illegal immigrants should be deported, and that illegal border crossers should not be detained with the object being deportation, then one is effectively for "open borders".
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Open borders mean open. No guards, no check points no walls
 
Bernie has been proffering the nationalization of various industries his entire adult life. I think it rather foolish that he doesn't intend to do exactly, should he win the presidential office.

That Bernie's not refuted or publicly stated his change in position is only attributable to the lame leftist media which gives him a pass on every 1/2 truth answer, and refuses to pose him any tough questions.

Bernie's one of the proponents for medicare for all. How is this not the nationalization and government takeover of the health care and health insurance industries? Those would be the means of 'production' for these services, would they not?

Recently, Bernie proposed national rent control.

www.wsj.com › Opinion › Review & Outlook
Sep 29, 2019 - A national rent control plan has been proposed by Bernie Sanders to address housing shortages across the country. But much like many of the ...

Bernie Sanders's housing-for-all plan, explained - Vox
[url]www.vox.com › bernie-sanders-housing-for-all[/URL]
Sep 19, 2019 - Bernie Sanders, who released an expansive affordable-housing agenda ... The Sanders rent-control proposal is mercifully simple compared to ...
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How is this not the government takeover and control of the rental property industry? This also would be the government takeover of the means of 'production', i.e. the offering of rental properties.

Experts in real estate and finance, both of whom understand free markets better than any Socialist / Communist, are predicting the usual failed and unintentional results from government meddling in the private sector and private sector free markets.

www.cato.org › blog › folly-bernie-sanders-national-rent-control-pro...
Jan 27, 2020 - “We need…a national rent control standard.” Now, his presidential campaign advocates one: under Sanders' housing proposals, all landlords ...

www.businessinsider.com › bernie-sanders-national-rent-control-2019...
Nov 3, 2019 - Bernie Sanders has called for "national rent control" as part of his campaign for ... There's a reason Sanders' proposal sounds appealing. Rents ...
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Going on.

www.washingtonexaminer.com › opinion › bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democratic-socialist-hes-an-all-out-marxist
Jan 25, 2020 - Bernie Sanders is surging in the race for the 2020 Democratic ... his lifelong fascination with communism, not once did Sanders have the ...

Bernie Sanders, Socialism & Communism: He Sees What He Wants to See
[url]www.nationalreview.com › 2020/02 › bernie-sanders-socialism-comm...[/URL]
2 days ago - It doesn't seem like a cheap shot to point out that Sanders got the reality of Communism wrong in the past and the rest of the world wrong in the ...

I Lived In Russia When Bernie Sanders Visited, And He's A Communist dupe
thefederalist.com › 2020/02/21 › i-lived-in-soviet-russia-when-bernie-...
2 days ago - Bernie Sanders, a man who could be led astray so easily by KGB ... I Lived In Soviet Russia When Bernie Sanders Visited, And He's A Communist Dupe ... but the lifelong habit of romancing American enemies — as is typical ...


Don't be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he's a diehard communist
nypost.com › 2016/01/16 › dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-d...
Jan 16, 2016 - As polls tighten and self-described socialist Bernie Sanders looks more like a serious contender than a novelty candidate for president, the ...
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Bernie doesn't want people to believe he's a Communist? Fine. Then Bernie needs to come out straight and unequivocally state that he doesn't support the government takeover of any industry or businesses during his administration should he be elected.

Otherwise the positions he's previously taken in support of government takeover of industries and businesses stand. :shrug:
 
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