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Sanders Blasts Russia for Reportedly Trying to Boost His Presidential Campaign

apdst said:
Who was president in 2016?
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Back when the Trump campaign lied about his campaign's involvement with Russia. Back when Trump used information that was stolen by Russia.

Now he is only angry that people bring it up, but clearly has no problem with their interference.

No wonder you want to change the subject. The man is clearly a traitor to his country.
 
Fishking said:
You mean aside from a great economy, addressing China's economic thefts and cheating the system, and not starting new wars/toppling governments?
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What about dismantling the institutions of government, demanding personal loyalty over loyalty to country, ruling as a unitary executive and undermining the basic principles of government.

No economic prosperity is worth that.
 
Fishking said:
Modern Russia doesn't hold a candle to Soviet Russia, on the scale of "badness", and Bernie loved himself some Soviet Russia.
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That's only because you support Trump's allowing Russia to interfere on his behalf.

But today, Russia does invade us by tampering with our elections. That's pretty bad.
 
Fishking said:
You mean aside from a great economy, addressing China's economic thefts and cheating the system, and not starting new wars/toppling governments?
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Nothing Obama didn't do, and the China thing is a farce.
 
j brown's body said:
Back when the Trump campaign lied about his campaign's involvement with Russia. Back when Trump used information that was stolen by Russia.

Now he is only angry that people bring it up, but clearly has no problem with their interference.

No wonder you want to change the subject. The man is clearly a traitor to his country.
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That doesn't answer the question: who was president in 2016 when Russia was supposedly rigging the election?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Sanders Blasts Russia for Reportedly Trying to Boost His Presidential Campaign


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Democratic Party candidate Bernie Sanders.



I have never heard Donald Trump ever blast Russia for interfering in our elections on his behalf.

Quite the contrary, this past week Trump fired numerous high ranking US intelligence officials (that he appointed) for delivering a 2020 Russian election interference warning to Congress.

Related: Sanders blasts Russia for reportedly trying to boost his presidential campaign
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Russia is not doing anything more than any other nation and what they are doing is not changing votes. Democrats have invented RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY THEORY fake story lines to cripple their opponents in national US elections.
 
Fishking said:
There was no business deal. It didn't happen. Again, produce evidence of a Trump tower being built or go away.
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So not only...

1)did he lie about an ongoing business deal in Moscow,
2)did his campaign meet with GRU officials to get dirt on his political opponent,
3)did he meet with Russian diplomats to brag about firing Comey to end the investigation into himself, giving top secret Israeli information to them in the process thereby causing Israeli to cease a sensitive operation, leading to the Israel no longer sharing important information with the United States,

...but he also took Putin's side over the entire US law enforcement and intelligence communities that Russia interfered in the 2016 US election.

How meaningful is that compared to openly honeymooning in Russia?
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Russians probably first created a dossier on Donald Trump in 1977 when he married Czech citizen Ivana Zelnickova. For the trip to Russia above, Trump was invited by the Soviet Ambassador to the US Yuri Dubinin. Dubinin made all the arrangements using the travel agency Intourist, which was owned by the KGB. In Moscow the Trumps stayed in Lenin’s suite at the National Hotel on Tverskaya Street near Red Square. At the time it was well known by Western intelligence agencies that the Lenin suite was bugged by the KGB. The National Hotel was linked by a corridor to the Intourist headquarters next door. There are also few doubts that Czechoslovakia’s Státní bezpečnost (StB) intelligence service surveiled and bugged the Trumps on their trip to that country to visit Ivana's family in 1989. US officials felt at the time that Ivana's father was working for the StB.

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Czech StB intelligence files on Ivana Trump (nee Zelnickova)
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Thanks for posting that, I never paid much attention to Trump and his Russian ties. He definitely has deep connections, much worse than spending a honeymoon there. All the relevant info you provide will be ignored by the Trump worshipers here though, they don't like facts and reality, Trump has taught them well.

Russia: Trump & His Team’s Ties | Congressman Eric Swalwell
 
Cardinal said:
So not only...

1)did he lie about an ongoing business deal in Moscow,
2)did his campaign meet with GRU officials to get dirt on his political opponent,
3)did he meet with Russian diplomats to brag about firing Comey to end the investigation into himself, giving top secret Israeli information to them in the process thereby causing Israeli to cease a sensitive operation, leading to the Israel no longer sharing important information with the United States,

...but he also took Putin's side over the entire US law enforcement and intelligence communities that Russia interfered in the 2016 US election.

How meaningful is that compared to openly honeymooning in Russia?
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I told you to go away unless you provided evidence of your trash. Repeating lies doesn't make them true. You tried to change your verbiage a little bit to sneak by what I called you out on, but I caught that and also dismissed it. You're a broken record playing a trash tune on repeat.
 
marke said:
Russia is not doing anything more than any other nation and what they are doing is not changing votes.
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Russia is sowing discord and disinformation which can indeed change votes.

Do you imagine they do this with without reward?
 
Fishking said:
I told you to go away unless you provided evidence of your trash.
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Who in the hell are you to tell anyone to go away? Evidence?

You never bring it. Why should anyone else?
 
j brown's body said:
The benefits of capitalism have been spread through society by the welfare state. Its called a mixed economy. Exampkes include the GI Bill, subsidies for health insurance, mortgage deductions. The list goes on.
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Mixed economy based on the powerhouse that is capitalism. To clarify, I don't support laissez faire capitalism and I don't know of anyone who does. No one is calling for robber barons to be running their own fiefdoms or anything.
 
SCrider said:
This could be the most pathetic whataboutism ever on this forum. How many years ago was that? Has he tried to open any hotels in Moscow since????
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The subject is Bernie Sanders. My comment was about Bernie Sanders. You're using words you don't understand. Further, you don't even understand the point being made. Move along so you don't embarrass yourself further.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Sanders Blasts Russia for Reportedly Trying to Boost His Presidential Campaign


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Democratic Party candidate Bernie Sanders.



I have never heard Donald Trump ever blast Russia for interfering in our elections on his behalf.

Quite the contrary, this past week Trump fired numerous high ranking US intelligence officials (that he appointed) for delivering a 2020 Russian election interference warning to Congress.

Related: Sanders blasts Russia for reportedly trying to boost his presidential campaign
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I don't see Bernie quitting the race because he is receiving help from the Russians. In fact, he is embracing his front runner status. The honorable thing for him to do would be to drop out. Bernie said something like if he were president Russia would not be interfering in our elections. However, I have seen no proposals from him on the subject. Why is that? What are his proposals to stop Russia from interfering in our elections? Is he going to do as Obama did and ask the Russians to please stop? Is Bernie going to sanction them? Oh, wait a minute, we're already sanctioning Russia more under Trump than we were under Obama. Or is he going to drop a few well placed nuclear bombs on Russia? Bernie seems fine with letting Russia help him capture the nomination.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't see Bernie quitting the race because he is receiving help from the Russians. In fact, he is embracing his front runner status. The honorable thing for him to do would be to drop out. Bernie said something like if he were president Russia would not be interfering in our elections. However, I have seen no proposals from him on the subject. Why is that? What are his proposals to stop Russia from interfering in our elections? Is he going to do as Obama did and ask the Russians to please stop? Is Bernie going to sanction them? Oh, wait a minute, we're already sanctioning Russia more under Trump than we were under Obama. Or is he going to drop a few well placed nuclear bombs on Russia? Bernie seems fine with letting Russia help him capture the nomination.
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Comrade BS got the illegal foreigner vote in Nevada didn't seem to bother him.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Nothing is wrong with working hard, but success, prosperity, and happiness should be available to everyone and not be denied on the basis of economic class, ethnicity, religion.
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For the most part, all of that is available to everyone. That's what freedom is about. People are free to fail or succeed on their own merits. What you're talking about is not everyone having equal opportunity for success but instead are talking about equal outcomes. Equal outcomes is tyranny.

And I am talking about the social obligation that comes with economic success. Those who are successful have an obligation to help others be successful.

What society is suffering from is excessive self-interest
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There is a social obligation to cooperate enough to provide a safe environment for everyone to live in but that's about it. You work to provide for yourself and your family before worrying about me and mine. That's not unethical or immoral. That is natural and the right thing to do.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What about dismantling the institutions of government, demanding personal loyalty over loyalty to country, ruling as a unitary executive and undermining the basic principles of government.

No economic prosperity is worth that.
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You'll have to give an example of what you're talking about here.
 
j brown's body said:
That's only because you support Trump's allowing Russia to interfere on his behalf.

But today, Russia does invade us by tampering with our elections. That's pretty bad.
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What interference are you talking about? A couple of memes? Don't make me laugh.
 
Fishking said:
The subject is Bernie Sanders. My comment was about Bernie Sanders. You're using words you don't understand. Further, you don't even understand the point being made. Move along so you don't embarrass yourself further.
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No, you embarrassed yourself with your ridiculous point in the first place.
 
j brown's body said:
Nothing Obama didn't do, and the China thing is a farce.
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Yes...they are all things Obama didn't do and China isn't a farce, and saying so only shows extreme ignorance. China steals billions from us every year.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Who in the hell are you to tell anyone to go away? Evidence?

You never bring it. Why should anyone else?
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Don't you have a war to cheer lead for? You can go away as well. Provide evidence or slink away.
 
SCrider said:
No, you embarrassed yourself with your ridiculous point in the first place.
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I'm sorry, but someone who doesn't even know how to use basic words properly doesn't have the standing to critique another's point. I'm willing to bet you don't even know what the point was.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What about dismantling the institutions of government, demanding personal loyalty over loyalty to country, ruling as a unitary executive and undermining the basic principles of government.

No economic prosperity is worth that.
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Agree, well said!
 
Fishking said:
Rings a bit hollow coming from someone who honeymooned in Soviet Russia and used to have drunken parties there.
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Fishking:

Am I wrong or has not President Trump visited the USSR/Russia in the past and has he not attended parties there where excessive drinking took place? Putin's Russia is just as corrupt and just as adversarial as Soviet Russia used to be and Mr. Trump visited both, so what's your point, I wonder?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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