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The Steele dossier revisited...

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As we are beginning to be bombarded by right wing/Russian misinformation campaigns.

I thought it would be a good time that one of the things the propagandists are doing is consistently lie about the credibility of the steel dossier.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare

There's a whole opera of propaganda songs that the right keeps resurrecting and singing. Uranium One, Clinton emails, Benghazi, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, Crossfire Hurricane, Eric Holder.

It doesn't matter whether these have all been beaten to death like a dead horse, they will a work in a pinch to deflect attention.
 
As we are beginning to be bombarded by right wing/Russian misinformation campaigns.

I thought it would be a good time that one of the things the propagandists are doing is consistently lie about the credibility of the steel dossier.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare

I guess you missed the Horowitz memo.

The Steele dossier, according to its major source, was nothing more than bar talk. (That's not entirely true, btw. Some of it comes from illegal NSA database queries.)

In fact, the FBI using it as the lynch pin of four FISA Court warrant applications is going to get some people put in jail.
 
I guess you missed the Horowitz memo.

The Steele dossier, according to its major source, was nothing more than bar talk. (That's not entirely true, btw. Some of it comes from illegal NSA database queries.)

In fact, the FBI using it as the lynch pin of four FISA Court warrant applications is going to get some people put in jail.


What fun it must be, playing imagination games like that.

Let's revisit this when nothing happens.
 
As we are beginning to be bombarded by right wing/Russian misinformation campaigns.

I thought it would be a good time that one of the things the propagandists are doing is consistently lie about the credibility of the steel dossier.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare

It does not have to be "disproven," it has to be PROVEN.

None of it has been proven...oh, except perhaps some ancillary information sprinkled in to give it some semblance of "verity."

I attended and graduated from a "special" school back in the late 80's, and during one "Phase" the training involved familiarization with various activities of a certain "Intelligence Agency" we might find ourselves working with.

One class was on disinformation techniques we could use to undermine a foreign government we were opposing.

The Steel "Dossier" represents one such process. You create and spread disinformation to undermine important members of a target government, creating distrust and dissention.

You essentially "make up" possible incidents/situations that make the target look bad, and sprinkle in a few otherwise innocuous but true points. The purpose is to give the impression that since those points were true, then the other "unverifiable" (false) points might also be true. Thus dividing the leadership and other key supporters from one another.

I made this same point in this Forum back in early 2019.

Once upon a time, way back when I was on active duty, I attended a qualification course that involved training on working with...

One of the classes was on undermining the functions of a targeted foreign government, and one instructor taught about disinformation tactics.

I recall the class on planting a false story to undermine faith in any targeted government official. It involved creating a very damaging documentary lie, then adding a salting of innocuous "truths" to give the impression IF that was true THEN the lie was also likely true even if no actual supporting facts were presented.

and prior to that in February 2017:

The very BEST disinformation always contains a kernel of truth. Things that can be verified which then give the impression (to the gullible) that it ALL must be true.

The best indicator that the essential premise of the information is NOT true? The fact that lies regarding the principle being targeted were already found in the disinformation.

So this is nothing new. :coffeepap:
 
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I guess you missed the Horowitz memo.

The Steele dossier, according to its major source, was nothing more than bar talk. (That's not entirely true, btw. Some of it comes from illegal NSA database queries.)

In fact, the FBI using it as the lynch pin of four FISA Court warrant applications is going to get some people put in jail.
Horawitz report prove no such thing. This is the exact kind of bull**** propaganda that I started this thread to prove.

I suggest you read the lawfare link...

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare
 
It does not have to be "disproven," it has to be PROVEN.

None of it has been proven...oh, except perhaps some ancillary information sprinkled in to give it some semblance of "verity."

I attended and graduated from a "special" school back in the late 80's, and during one "Phase" the training involved familiarization with various activities of a certain "Intelligence Agency" we might find ourselves working with.

One class was on disinformation techniques we could use to undermine a foreign government we were opposing.

The Steel "Dossier" represents one such process. You create and spread disinformation to undermine important members of a target government, creating distrust and dissention.

You essentially "make up" possible incidents/situations that make the target look bad, and sprinkle in a few otherwise innocuous but true points. The purpose is to give the impression that sine those points were true, then the other "unverifiable" (false) points might also be true. Thus dividing the leadership and other key supporters from one another.

I made this same point in this Forum back in early 2019.



and prior to that in February 2017:



So this is nothing new. :coffeepap:

Another example of a propagandist coming forward with a thought and no fact.

Each of the articles outline in depth, what has been verified,a d what hasn't.

Nothing in it has been. Disproven...
 
That's just it. They have nothing, so they're compelled to resort to misrepresentation of the factual record.

Exactly I am going to try to open individual threads as more disinformation is spewed on us.

If we disassemble one lie at a time we may be able to keep the light on the facts...
 
I guess you missed the Horowitz memo.

The Steele dossier, according to its major source, was nothing more than bar talk. (That's not entirely true, btw. Some of it comes from illegal NSA database queries.)

In fact, the FBI using it as the lynch pin of four FISA Court warrant applications is going to get some people put in jail.

Ah, the mind of a qanon follower.
 
Horawitz report prove no such thing. This is the exact kind of bull**** propaganda that I started this thread to prove.

I suggest you read the lawfare link...

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare

Besides the fact that Lawfare is an organization of Trump haters, worked hand in glove with House Dems...most notable with Schiffty...against Trump, that article is a freaking year out of date.

Here...this one is more relevant:

The “Steele dossier” was “Internet rumor,” and corroboration for the pee tape story was “zero.”

The Steele report reads like a pile of rumors surrounded by public information pulled off the Internet, and the Horowitz report does nothing to dispel this notion.

At the time the FBI submitted its first FISA application, Horowitz writes, it had “corroborated limited information in Steele’s election reporting, and most of that was publicly available information.” Horowitz says of Steele’s reports: “The CIA viewed it as ‘internet rumor.’”

Worse (and this part of the story should be tattooed on the heads of Russia truthers), the FBI’s interviews of Steele’s sources revealed Steele embellished the most explosive parts of his report.

The “pee tape” story, which inspired countless grave headlines (see this chin-scratching New York Times history of Russian “sexual blackmail”) and plunged the Trump presidency into crisis before it began, was, this source said, based a “conversation that [he/she] had over beers,” with the sexual allegations made… in “jest”!

Steele in his report said the story had been “confirmed” by senior, Western hotel staff, but the actual source said it was all “rumor and speculation,” never confirmed. In fact, charged by Steele to find corroboration, the source could not: corroboration was “zero,” writes Horowitz.

Meanwhile the Steele assertions that Russians had a kompromat file on Hillary Clinton, and that there was a “well-developed conspiracy of coordination” between the Trump campaign and Russians, relied on a source Steele himself disparaged as an “egoist” and “boaster” who “may engage in some embellishment.” This was known to the FBI at the start, yet they naturally failed to include this info in the warrant application, one of what Horowitz described as “17 significant errors or omissions” in the FISA application.

Finally, when the FBI conducted an investigation into Steele’s “work-related performance,” they heard from some that he was “smart,” and a “person of integrity,” and “if he reported it, he believed it.”

So far, so good. But Horowitz also wrote:

Their notes stated: “[d]emonstrates lack of self-awareness, poor judgment;” “[k]een to help” but “underpinned by poor judgment;” “Judgment: pursuing people with political risk but no intel value;” “[d]idn’t always exercise great judgment- sometimes [he] believes he knows best;” and “[r]eporting in good faith, but not clear what he would have done to validate.”

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The impact was greater than just securing a warrant to monitor Page. More significant were the years of headlines that grew out of this process, beginning with the leaking of the meeting with Trump about Steele’s blackmail allegations, the insertion of Steele’s conclusions in the Intelligence Assessment about Russian interference, and the leak of news about the approval of the Page FISA warrant.

As a result, a “well-developed conspiracy” theory based on a report that Comey described as “salacious and unverified material that a responsible journalist wouldn’t report without corroborating,” became the driving news story in a superpower nation for two years. Even the New York Times, which published a lot of these stories, is in the wake of the Horowitz report noting Steele’s role in “unleashing a flood of speculation in the news media about the new president’s relationship with Russia.”

No matter what people think the political meaning of the Horowitz report might be, reporters who read it will know: Anybody who touched this nonsense in print should be embarrassed.

Horowitz Report Reveals the Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke - Rolling Stone

Furthermore, all of the current action by Barr in distributing investigative duties around the country is a direct result of the Horowitz report and what it said about the Steele Dossier and the subsequent FISA abuse by the FBI/DOJ.

Face facts, dude...the Steele report is totally discredited.
 
Another example of a propagandist coming forward with a thought and no fact.

Each of the articles outline in depth, what has been verified,a d what hasn't.

Nothing in it has been. Disproven...

(sigh) :roll:

From your own citation:

The largely unverified document, compiled by the former British spy Christopher Steele, consists of 16 separate reports that total 35 pages.
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider


What was "verified?

The dossier said the "Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to the WikiLeaks platform.
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

Information that our own "Agencies" already had, as confirmed by the CIA and three other Agencies. Something Steel could have picked up from an Agency contact. In fact, the next several paragraphs all relate to that ONE assertion.

The dossier said that in return for Russia's help in dumping hacked emails damaging to the Clinton campaign, the "TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

This is "innocuous fact." Trump was already speaking positively about Russia, and seeking to improve relations. Back then, after the Dossier came out, it caused people (like yourself?) to believe Trump's overt actions were due to his being a "Siberian Candidate." However, NO SUCH THING was determined after Mueller's 2 year investigation.

The dossier said, "The Kremlin’s cultivation operation on Trump also had comprised offering him various lucrative real estate development business deals in Russia, especially in relation to the ongoing 2018 World Cup soccer tournament. However, so far, for reasons unknown, Trump had not taken up any of these.

AGAIN, innocuous truth. Trump has done Ms. Universe pageants, and there was an effort by a Russian group to get Trump to allow them use of his brand name for a Hotel in Russia. Trump is also a real estate magnate, so he is always looking for such opportunities.

The dossier alleges that Cohen was instrumental in maintaining the Trump campaign's "secret liaison" with Russian leadership.
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

Even your citation admits this is UNPROVEN as of yet, despite Cohen agreeing to "cooperate," and the articles attempts to imply it could have happened.

Michael Flynn ties (visits to Russia a matter of record); Carter page ties (a matter of record, AND a CIA informant) thus again contacts with the CIA could have been Steel's source. I could go on and on, but my point stands.
 
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Besides the fact that Lawfare is an organization of Trump haters, worked hand in glove with House Dems...most notable with Schiffty...against Trump, that article is a freaking year out of date.

Here...this one is more relevant:



Furthermore, all of the current action by Barr in distributing investigative duties around the country is a direct result of the Horowitz report and what it said about the Steele Dossier and the subsequent FISA abuse by the FBI/DOJ.

Face facts, dude...the Steele report is totally discredited.


Really both articles went through the dossier accusations one at a time and discussed each ones credibility.

You QUOTE an opinion price from a rock magazine with no sources.

FAIL!!!!

Until you come up with something more substantial you are dismissed...
 
(sigh) :roll:

From your own citation:

Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider


What was "verified?

Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

Information that our own "Agencies" already had, as confirmed by the CIA and three other Agencies. Something Steel could have picked up from an Agency contact. In fact, the next several paragraphs all relate to that ONE assertion.

Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

This is "innocuous fact." Trump was already speaking positively about Russia, and seeking to improve relations. Back then, after the Dossier came out, it caused people (like yourself?) to believe Trump's overt actions were due to his being a "Siberian Candidate." However, NO SUCH THING was determined after Mueller's 2 year investigation.



AGAIN, innocuous truth. Trump has done Ms. Universe pageants, and there was an effort by a Russian group to get Trump to allow them use of his brand name for a Hotel in Russia. Trump is also a real estate magnate, so he is always looking for such opportunities.

Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

Even your citation admits this is UNPROVEN as of yet, despite Cohen agreeing to "cooperate," and the articles attempts to imply it could have happened.

Michael Flynn ties (visits to Russia a matter of record); Carter page ties (a matter of record, AND a CIA informant) thus again contacts with the CIA could have been Steel's source. I could go on and on, but my point stands.


Your point does not stand, it does prove the articles cover both sides.

You cherry picked a couple of parts that prove some of it remains unverified.

As for trumps business In Moscow he always reported that he had no contacts with Russia.

The dossier being to light that was a flat out lie as proven by the ensuing Investigation...
 
So thanks to the dossier we Learned not only was trump actively working with Russia to fix be election he was lying about having no business dealings In Russia.

Question, since trump card not get a loan even from Deutsche Bank, where would he get the money?

Putin a d Saudis are his only access to do finances any more.

Would trump supporters finally recognize the obvious conflict of interest???
 
Really both articles went through the dossier accusations one at a time and discussed each ones credibility.

You QUOTE an opinion price from a rock magazine with no sources.

FAIL!!!!

Until you come up with something more substantial you are dismissed...

That "opinion piece from a rock magazine"...btw, a leftist magazine...is based on facts established by the DOJ IG.

What more "substantial" do you need?
 
Mueller: " No Collusion"

Give it already
 
So thanks to the dossier we Learned not only was trump actively working with Russia to fix be election he was lying about having no business dealings In Russia.

LOL!!

You must have missed the Mueller memo, too.
 
As we are beginning to be bombarded by right wing/Russian misinformation campaigns.

I thought it would be a good time that one of the things the propagandists are doing is consistently lie about the credibility of the steel dossier.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare[/QUOTE JHC! Are you're guys that desperate! You're going to replay this horse****?
 
As we are beginning to be bombarded by right wing/Russian misinformation campaigns.

I thought it would be a good time that one of the things the propagandists are doing is consistently lie about the credibility of the steel dossier.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."
Steele, Trump-Russia dossier 2 years later: what’s corroborated, unclear - Business Insider

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare

It's still bull****...lol
 
Mueller: " No Collusion"

Give it already

Give it up, Mueller never once said there was no collusion, that was Barr and trump.

There are over 120 acts of collusion documented in the Mueller report...
 
It's still bull****...lol

Exactly spot on. It is Russian disinformation bull****.

Thanks to recently released notes from an interview the State Department’s Kathleen Kavalec had with dossier author Christopher Steele, a possible bombshell connection between Halper and the dossier has been uncovered. As discussed earlier in the week on the podcast, those notes also demonstrate Steele failing to keep his story straight between the State Department and FBI, proving how unreliable he is.

In Kavalec’s handwritten notes from their interview she makes note of two of Steele’s dossier sources; “Trubnikov” and “Surkov.”

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Surkov is Vladislav Surkov, an aide of Vladimir Putin who is on the U.S.’s list of sanctioned individuals, and Trubnikov is Vyacheslav Trubnikov, who is currently the First Deputy of Foreign Minister of Russia and formally served as the Director of Foreign Intelligence Service.
New Document Exposes Two Russian Dossier Sources | Dan Bongino

A further source for the 'Steele Dossier':

CONFIRMED: Steele Paid Russian Oligarch as Dossier Source

And yet, there are some who simply can't accept facts that they don't like or go against their partisan confirmation bias. :roll:
 
Give it up, Mueller never once said there was no collusion, that was Barr and trump.

There are over 120 acts of collusion documented in the Mueller report...

"“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

That's what Mueller said. No sense lying about that.

And I wish yuu guys would stop lying about BArr. He didn't tell us anything that wasn't in the report
 
I guess you missed the Horowitz memo.

The Steele dossier, according to its major source, was nothing more than bar talk. (That's not entirely true, btw. Some of it comes from illegal NSA database queries.)

In fact, the FBI using it as the lynch pin of four FISA Court warrant applications is going to get some people put in jail.

You could document that claim, but we all know you made it up or read it on some ridiculous right wing trashy blog.
 
You could document that claim, but we all know you made it up or read it on some ridiculous right wing trashy blog.

I did document that claim.

What part of "the Horowitz memo" do you not understand?
 
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