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Have you changed your thinking the past 3 years

Have you changed your opinion during the last 3 years?

  • Have you changed your opinion toward the Republicans

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Have you changed your opinion toward the Democrats

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • No change of opinion at all

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
trixare4kids said:
Your personal attacks combined with a deliberate misreading of my point above, (note where I said sarcasm was used to emphasize my point), is duly noted.
You're a salesman and hardly qualified to diagnose the mental health of anyone. Make a note of that too...

You're now dismissed. :cool:
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Thanks for the dismissal. I normally have the decency to answer all posts, even from people I strongly dislike. Thanks to you, I will not have a moral problem in having any further debates with you.
 
Dayton3 said:
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No sane person thinks President Trump is going to start a nuclear war either. Or probably any war. If anything has been shown the last three years is that when it comes to putting Americans in harms way Trump is fundamentally cautious.
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One of the reasons I like Trump as a president.
 
Luckyone said:
Thanks for the dismissal. I normally have the decency to answer all posts, even from people I strongly dislike. Thanks to you, I will not have a moral problem in having any further debates with you.
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How many people have you issued this same idle threat to in the past?
At the rate you're going, you're lucky if anyone responds to your anti-Trump blather.
 
trixare4kids said:
How many people have you issued this same idle threat to in the past?
At the rate you're going, you're lucky if anyone responds to your anti-Trump blather.
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well, you did! and this is certainly not the only time you have shown your strong dislike for me. Evidently, I bring out your critic soul and I do know that critics rarely stop criticizing.

By the way, didn't you just dismiss me in your "previous" post?
 
Dayton3 said:
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well then explain to me how I can always tell what your inane response to a question is going to be? Few people can predict inane answers for the simple reason that they are inane and do not follow common sense! It is like asking a crazy pedophile if he believes that abusing children is wrong. Can you tell me with certainty what he will say?
 
I voted "opinion toward dems changed" - no surprise there. I've commented frequently that over the past three years the behavior and attitudes of Dems, or more broadly - the left has morph so hugely that I could earn a PhD in Abnormal Psychology just be writing a dissertation about it. even after three year I'm still incredulous about the changes in lefties.

First, a personal anecdote. I came to DP from another forum that was slowly imploding. I had posted on it for almost ten years. One of the cool aspects of the forum was that the posters occasionally got together IRL at the beach or at someone's house. That died out after a couple of years, but I had the idea of holding "Forum Summits" a couple of times of year so I proposed a get together at a local microbrewery. Four peope showed up - equally divided by left and right slant. We had a great time, staying almost 3 hours. A few months later I proposed another summit and a 5-6 folks showed up and again we all had a great time. over the next couple of years we had a few more get togethers with attendance between 6 and 10; several survivors of the forum are among us here on DP. As we went on I struct up a relationship with a nice lady of the left which continued over the next few years. Then Trump happened. Almost over night my lady friend turned distant if not hostile; suddenly I was an alt-righter, or white supremacist or worse. She started sending me looooonnnnnggggg emails about why I was not only wrong, but unpatriotic, immoral and a Russian dupe. Her metamorphosis occurred over a few months; I had to ask her to stop e-mailing me and I blocked her phone number.

Regretfully, I've seen the same Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde change on several other of my liberal threads. All rational thought is gone, The word "Trump" causes involuntary mental dystrophy, unfocused anger and irrational striking out.

I thought the further we got from the election the more likely rationality and reason would re-emerge; boy was I wrong. The exact opposite occurred. The left just seems to get angrier, more emotional, and less rational.

To be fair, I've seen change on the right as well. From the day Obama took office, the mainstream Republicans have been telling us if we voted for them they'd get Obama under control' they lies, repeatedly. In 2010 we gave them the House back and took away the Dems filibuster proof majority - nothing much happed. same in 2012. In 2014 we gave them the Senate AND the House, but the mainstream GOPers were still more interested in "good ol' boys club" and "going along to get along" to make real change or progress.

Then Trump happened; he wasn't interested in good ol' boys or how "we've always done it". He encouraged the right to grow a pair, speak up and demand things get fixed. That's where we are today. Many on the right abandoned the Timex mentality ("takes a licking and keeps on ticking"). We struck back, spoke out, forcefully when necessary.
 
Luckyone said:
Is that (bolded part) abnormal in human beings? In my entire life spanning 74 years, I have not yet found more than a handful of people that think of others first, before they think of themselves. It is human nature, is it not? Is Trump thinking of all Americans, or simply his 30% base?

At least the ""selfish"" Democrats will help more of those that cannot help themselves than the Republicans and if you put that on a scale, it favors the Democrats highly.

I think your problem is more ideological than down-to-earth because I want a government (as bad as it can be) to have its objective helping more people rather than less and helping those that can't help themselves rather than the rich that need NO HELP!
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Democrats believe others are incapable of acting on there own behalf and therefore must be guided and directed by their "betters". Republicans believe in people and strive to get then the tools to build their own lives and then get out of the way.
 
Luckyone said:
Bottom line is that at some point you are going to have to choose the "lesser of the two evils" as there are no other choices other than moving out of the United States to another country.

Choose which of the two evils will cause you the least problems. For me, Trump is death and the Democrats might be a big pain but I get to stay alive.
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Are you really for a multi-thousand point drop in the Dow if Bernie somehow wins? Probably lesser drops for any of the Dem contenders. Bet on it.
 
Bullseye said:
Are you really for a multi-thousand point drop in the Dow if Bernie somehow wins? Probably lesser drops for any of the Dem contenders. Bet on it.
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Always fear mongering. A cult controlled by fear and hate.
 
Luckyone said:
Unfortunately, in this respect you are partially right. Then again, if I can pass my concern to others and help Trump get dethroned, I will feel better about it.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but that is very unlikely to happen on an anonymous message board. What percentage of members on this forum have ever flipped their opinion 180 degrees?

If you want to make a difference, I suggest joining a campaign, attending rallies or marches to obtain news coverage. Having logical, well informed people interviewed on popular news shows.
 
Luckyone said:
He does not care about the consequence to others, only to himself. In addition, he has a sensitive trigger to his ego that if triggered, he capable of anything. That is extremely dangerous since anything can be a trigger. In addition, he has already set some precedents that have already done irreparable damage to our laws, such as this impeachment decision hwere he was proven guilty but got away with it. That will come back and bite everyone again in the future with other presidents.

He has changed the rules that we lived by for 247 years and he has changed them all by himself, meaning they are not intelligent changes.
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He works for lower taxes, fairer trade deals, fewer regulations, lower unemployment, etc. and you "think" he only cares about himself? Are you serious?
 
Bullseye said:
Are you really for a multi-thousand point drop in the Dow if Bernie somehow wins? Probably lesser drops for any of the Dem contenders. Bet on it.
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Multi-thousand point drop? LOL. Only if the Democrats also take the Senate, which is unlikely unless both Trump and Republican Senators keep f***ing up all the way to the election.
 
Luckyone said:
I often feel like you do (very often) but becoming who they are is actually defeating the cause from the beginning. We need to be better than what we criticize. What we actually need to do is become stronger in our beliefs and stop apologizing for the mistakes and/or people that fail. It is human nature to fail. It is part of the process in becoming better, meaning we acknowledge the mistake but continue as strong or stronger than before.

Nonetheless, we act within the law, we defend the Constitution, and we stand for justice and against corruption. We do this every day unflinchingly as the truth will always prevail in the long run.
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That was the old me, but we lost a lot of ground while republicans racked up election after election in state legislatures, governors mansions, the House and Senate and the presidency and there were no scruples that interfered with whatever worked for that party. There was no ambivalence about finding new ways of disenfranchising the poor, minorities, the homeless with voter ID laws, etc. No pesky moral code stopped Republican dominating states from reducing polling place hours to ensure hourly workers were inconvenienced, or removing polling stations from urban areas to create longer lines. As we just saw, the GOP have sold their souls and their children's to Donald Trump so that they could get some more federal judges and a tax cut for the wealthy.

I just don't think we can afford the high road right now. The planet literally depends on us winning in all these contests. We have to have those governors, and state legislatures, so that we can gerrymander now that the courts have decided its constitutional. We have to keep our house seats and senate seats so that we can get a strong climate change agreement confirmed.
 
Luckyone said:
Well, that means that Sanders will be a great administration (he is no elite) and that Trump should be thrown out as he is the definition of elite.
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What? He's no "elite"? You gotta be ****ting me. He sees himself as the ultimate leader in a socialist society. That's how socialism works. An elite cadre of elite leaders makes all the decisions, issues all the orders and the worker class responds. If he gets in, I'd bet his first efforts are to destroy all the checks and balances built into our constitution. Destroy the free markets, punish economic success, establish mob rule. It would be pretty.
 
Luckyone said:
During the 3 years that Trump has been in office, many things have occurred that have been catalytic in this presidency. In addition, there have been thousands of discussions on the board about the pros and cons of Trump and of the Democrats.

I am interested to know if any opinions have changed during this period of time. Has Trump's actions or arguments for or against Trump turned you on or turned you off to the Republican party and the same question regarding the Democrats.
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I've never been a party animal, so I still dislike both major parties. Nothing changed there. As for Trump, I don't like him, didn't vote for him. But neither did I vote for Clinton as both major party candidates disgusted me. I voted third party against both. Now Trump has done somethings I supported, some I opposed. Just like every other president in my lifetime. Although I don't care for Trump, I'm neither a pro nor an anti Trumper.

My dislike of Trump has more to due to his obnoxious, uncouth personality. His bullying persona along with his name calling like a four year old brat who's parents failed to teach him any manners. Not so much his policies. Like with Obama, G.W. Bill Clinton, G.H.W. Reagan and on back, I can live with them. So no, nothing has changed in my thinking over the last three years. I still disliked both major parties and still dislike Trump.
 
Luckyone said:
He did put us recently in a position of starting a world war when he killed the Iranian General. Cooler heads among the Iranians prevailed but that statement, in and of itself, is a horrible thing to realize (cooler head among the Iranians). We are supposed to be the "cooler heads" and the fact that Trump is the "hot head" suggests we could soon be in a nuclear war and all of us die.

Why we allow any president to put us into that risk, is beyond my ability to understand.

In addition, you are aware that there has been more hate and more mass killings under Trump than under any other president, right? That, in and of itself, is proof that under Trump we are at risk of dying, right?
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Oh, horse****! That was NO chance of starting a world war. Just typical loony left blather when Trump scores a major victory. You guys are like a flock of chickens, running and squawking every time the wind blows.
 
Royal PITA said:
Multi-thousand point drop? LOL. Only if the Democrats also take the Senate, which is unlikely unless both Trump and Republican Senators keep f***ing up all the way to the election.
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I think Bernie's election alone will kill the market. I'm assuming if he gets in a lot of his supporters will also. Just as Trump's election caused an immediate up turn, and Bernie election will destroy enthusiasm in the economic world.
 
Bullseye said:
I voted "opinion toward dems changed" - no surprise there. I've commented frequently that over the past three years the behavior and attitudes of Dems, or more broadly - the left has morph so hugely that I could earn a PhD in Abnormal Psychology just be writing a dissertation about it. even after three year I'm still incredulous about the changes in lefties.

First, a personal anecdote. I came to DP from another forum that was slowly imploding. I had posted on it for almost ten years. One of the cool aspects of the forum was that the posters occasionally got together IRL at the beach or at someone's house. That died out after a couple of years, but I had the idea of holding "Forum Summits" a couple of times of year so I proposed a get together at a local microbrewery. Four peope showed up - equally divided by left and right slant. We had a great time, staying almost 3 hours. A few months later I proposed another summit and a 5-6 folks showed up and again we all had a great time. over the next couple of years we had a few more get togethers with attendance between 6 and 10; several survivors of the forum are among us here on DP. As we went on I struct up a relationship with a nice lady of the left which continued over the next few years. Then Trump happened. Almost over night my lady friend turned distant if not hostile; suddenly I was an alt-righter, or white supremacist or worse. She started sending me looooonnnnnggggg emails about why I was not only wrong, but unpatriotic, immoral and a Russian dupe. Her metamorphosis occurred over a few months; I had to ask her to stop e-mailing me and I blocked her phone number.

Regretfully, I've seen the same Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde change on several other of my liberal threads. All rational thought is gone, The word "Trump" causes involuntary mental dystrophy, unfocused anger and irrational striking out.

I thought the further we got from the election the more likely rationality and reason would re-emerge; boy was I wrong. The exact opposite occurred. The left just seems to get angrier, more emotional, and less rational.

To be fair, I've seen change on the right as well. From the day Obama took office, the mainstream Republicans have been telling us if we voted for them they'd get Obama under control' they lies, repeatedly. In 2010 we gave them the House back and took away the Dems filibuster proof majority - nothing much happed. same in 2012. In 2014 we gave them the Senate AND the House, but the mainstream GOPers were still more interested in "good ol' boys club" and "going along to get along" to make real change or progress.

Then Trump happened; he wasn't interested in good ol' boys or how "we've always done it". He encouraged the right to grow a pair, speak up and demand things get fixed. That's where we are today. Many on the right abandoned the Timex mentality ("takes a licking and keeps on ticking"). We struck back, spoke out, forcefully when necessary.
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Have you not analyzed what you have just stated?

What seems to be the difference? The difference is that before it was about politics and parties. This time, it is not about politics and parties but about one man (Trump).

People will always be polarized when someone is immoral, unethical, unprincipled and inhumane. There is no 50-50 here. There is no acceptance by anyone that accepts that kind of behavior. With Trump, it is not about Republicans and Democrats, it is about evil versus good and the people that are good will shun evil people every day.
 
ecofarm said:
Always fear mongering. A cult controlled by fear and hate.
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Nope, the left has a monopoly on those emotions. The stock market is a leading indicator of the economy. With Bernie's anti-business slant and the massive tax hikes necessary to enact even a fraction of his platform the economy will slow down if not go into recession.
 
Bullseye said:
He works for lower taxes, fairer trade deals, fewer regulations, lower unemployment, etc. and you "think" he only cares about himself? Are you serious?
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that is BS. He cares about those only because he cares about himself and those are the ways to get his base voting and helping him.
 
Royal PITA said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but that is very unlikely to happen on an anonymous message board. What percentage of members on this forum have ever flipped their opinion 180 degrees?

If you want to make a difference, I suggest joining a campaign, attending rallies or marches to obtain news coverage. Having logical, well informed people interviewed on popular news shows.
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Unfortunately, I am handicapped and not able to do much of all of that. I do what I can physically do.
 
Luckyone said:
Have you not analyzed what you have just stated?

What seems to be the difference? The difference is that before it was about politics and parties. This time, it is not about politics and parties but about one man (Trump).

People will always be polarized when someone is immoral, unethical, unprincipled and inhumane. There is no 50-50 here. There is no acceptance by anyone that accepts that kind of behavior. With Trump, it is not about Republicans and Democrats, it is about evil versus good and the people that are good will shun evil people every day.
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You're trying to make it about one man even though you thread asking about parties. My point was that one man drove the left stark raving mad. Instead intelligent discussion many of you guys sink into the morass of "cults" or "Trumpbots" or other even MORE demeaning or degrading terms to refer to those who disagree with you. True be told there are probably less than five left leaning posters I respect or attempt to hold a rational conversation with. To spoils the suspense you're not one of them. :cool:
 
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