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Sanders vent

Napoleon said:
Or what? You’ll riot and threaten to hang the DNC chair again?
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What would you do if all peaceful courses of action have failed on matters that mean life or death for millions of Americans?
 
CMPancake said:
What would you do if all peaceful courses of action have failed on matters that mean life or death for millions of Americans?
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Well if Antifa’s skirmishes are any indication then I’m not concerned. :lol:
 
Napoleon said:
Well if Antifa’s skirmishes are any indication then I’m not concerned. :lol:
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Rogue Valley said:
If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.
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mitch should be on a back bench if voter turnout is sufficient to oust tRump
and no candidate is presently positioned better to attain that turnout
some of us will not dismiss the good because it cannot be made perfect. implementing some of Bernie's initiatives will push our nation - and its people - ahead
 
Rogue Valley said:
If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.
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Trump is NOT so damn bad - this is a myth.

And no Democrat can beat Trump.

Bernie is your best bet to heal the party somewhat, however.

And if he runs with a VP draw from outside politics, his chances improve somewhat.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Like I stated, I want Trump gone more than anyone. I attack him here at DP literally every day via numerous thread OPs.

Truth be told, at this date none of the Dem candidates excite me. They're either too far left or too vague. The DNC seems disorganized and a step slow.

If I feel that way, and I stay informed, what about the multi-millions of Americans living in the political DMZ?

If I'm not excited, why would/should they be? I'm just getting a bad vibe about this election.
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You should be.

Your party will not win.

You had your chance in 2016, but you brought out the long knives for Bernie.

You were told this was disaster for you.

Welcome to that ongoing Banquet of Disaster; it may or may not end in 2025.
 
Rogue Valley said:
If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.
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LOL. This economy is good, so Trump is going to get a lot of votes again.
 
Napoleon said:
He isn’t for the reasons I’ve already pointed out. That and we’re going to give the nomination to someone else at the convention.
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Do that and I think Bernie runs third party.
 
Rogue Valley said:
If Bernie Sanders still leads after Super-Tuesday, I think Democrats are screwed. I think he's way too far left to win over moderate and independent voters.

Why Dem moderates such as Buttigieg, Klobuchar, etc. give Bernie a pass on the debate stage is beyond me. They have to more forcefully separate from Bernie and explain why.

Look, the US Senate is in all likelihood going to remain majority GOP 2020-2024. How would Bernie Sanders get any of his legislation through?

Medicare for all? Tax reforms on corporations and the wealthy? New Green Deal? Collage for all? Student loan forgiveness?

C'mon. None of that is going to get past Moscow Mitch. An emasculated/hamstrung Sanders as president sets the Dems up for an electoral fall in 2024.

I want Trump gone as badly as anyone. Trump is so damned bad this election should be EASY! But the Dems are screwing this up IMO.
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So your solution to avoid a loss in 2024 is... to lose in 2020??? Because I don't see anybody more likely to beat Trump than Sanders.
 
CMPancake said:
Your "we" is significantly smaller than Bernie's "we." It's best to remember that.
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This actually isn't true and it worries me. So far polls and the two states that have voted show that adding up all the moderates they are ahead of Bernie plus Warren (I voted for Bernie and want him to win).
 
Drawdown said:
Bernie will cost the dems the house. A post I will make repeatedly until they get it through their thick heads that it is better to keep the house than it is to win the presidency.
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No it isn't. The president nominates judges and justices; they last for a lifetime while presidents, senators, and representatives can be voted out.
 
CMPancake said:
What would you do if all peaceful courses of action have failed on matters that mean life or death for millions of Americans?
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Huh, what? No, that's not good. Are you threatening violence? Bernie has disallowed this kind of thing, among other very good reasons, because it hurts his campaign. I'd invite you to rethink your position.
 
GreatNews2night said:
This actually isn't true and it worries me. So far polls and the two states that have voted show that adding up all the moderates they are ahead of Bernie plus Warren (I voted for Bernie and want him to win).
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Weird math; don't count on it.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Weird math; don't count on it.
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Why not (besides the fact that I'm not counting on it, I'm concerned about it)?

So far it's been a fact. Biden + Bloomberg + Klobuchar + Buttigied + Steyer > Warren + Sanders.

This could be used as an argument to give the nomination to a moderate in the convention especially if all the losing moderates gift their delegates to the last moderate left standing.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Why not (besides the fact that I'm not counting on it, I'm concerned about it)?

So far it's been a fact. Biden + Bloomberg + Klobuchar + Buttigied + Steyer > Warren + Sanders.

This could be used as an argument to give the nomination to a moderate in the convention especially if all the moderates gift their delegates to the last moderate left standing.
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Sanders beats every Democrat in a head to head matchup.

Bloomberg loses to every Democrat in a head to head matchup.

Bernie Sanders appears strong in Democratic match-ups | YouGov
 
GreatNews2night said:
Why not (besides the fact that I'm not counting on it, I'm concerned about it)?

So far it's been a fact. Biden + Bloomberg + Klobuchar + Buttigied + Steyer > Warren + Sanders.

This could be used as an argument to give the nomination to a moderate in the convention especially if all the losing moderates gift their delegates to the last moderate left standing.
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George + Ringo don't = Paul

No facts; just silly math.

It could be, but it's 100% inane.
 
Craig234 said:
More anti-Bernie nonsense.

If conservative Democrats pick trump over Bernie, they deserve trump.

The American people deserve to have power, not plutocracy, and that is Bernie, not the conservative Democrats.

If he loses some of them, he'll gain a lot of young and working class voters that the conservative Democrats would lose, and lose the election.

You're right this should be simple, and the biggest risk is Democrats screwing it up - by making the mistake you do about Bernie. He's both the best candidate and the most electable.
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Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.
 
It doesn't matter anyways, Trump will beat all of them.
 
joko104 said:
Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.
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Sanders still loves open borders, so you don't have that worry. Open Borders is the democrats platform now.
 
joko104 said:
Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.
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Sanders lost when he said that everybody making $29K or more a year would be taxed for their Medicare For All. Since his $15 minimum wage puts every full time worker at $31K, it would be "Everybody Gets Taxed"
 
bradt99 said:
Sanders still loves open borders, so you don't have that worry. Open Borders is the democrats platform now.
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Bring every poor person who doesn't have American values or supports capitalism here. Give the entire world free medical care - paid for by the dwindling number of American jobs with money increasingly worthless: The perfect method to cause a massive violent social/fascist violent revolution more murderous than in Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stain, China under Mao, and the Pol Pot in Cambodia. That is the Sander's plan for revolution to abolish capitalism.
 
joko104 said:
Sanders is a one man show, the old white-flight millionaire socialist who sure as hell didn't want any black people living in his neighbor or going to his kid's school.

He means what he says - he wants a revolution and this plans assure one. Spending tens of trillions would create hyper inflation, massive job lose and cause any investment money to flee the USA. The only remaining wealth would only be with the wealth you have their wealth still intact in foreign economies - while remaining in the USA.

With the middle class obliterated, desperation going to people no longer to pay rent, mortgages or even buy food - he gets his revolution of all the desperately poor people - with this easily aimed at those who are still wealthy. To bring order, an authoritarian government that controls everything and everyone - merged to the military - must take over. Thus, he has followed the revolutionary history of other transformations by revolution to socialism.

Granted, Sanders loves white people and white cultures - so envisions a white prosperous Norwegian USA - when the USA is nothing like Norway and for American demographics never could be nor is what he advocates actually similar to that of Norway.

It is entirely legitimate for the Democratic Party officials and supporters to do everything legally possible to oppose Bernie Sanders because they oppose his agenda. Sanders is not now or has he ever been a Democrat. The Democratic Party is not the Socialist Workers Party. The Democratic Party leadership urgent justification to use every legal means possible to stop this Socialist Worker's Party and doctrines raid on the liberal Democratic Party - to oppose the Democratic American liberalism being replaced with a Socialist Worker's Party revolution all built around the personae of one person - Socialist Senator Sanders.
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Hey joko, I really enjoyed reading your post. It's got me thinking....
 
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