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Why Does Putin Want Trump?

If Bernie is the nom, Putin will be delighted. He won't care who wins because either will make America worse.
 
j brown's body said:
Correct. The status quo being democratic traditions and institutions. As authoritarians, they both oppose them.
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Of course they do, of course. Trump is politically an outsider. He doesn't accept traditional political status quo for that reason. It has nothing to do with being an authoritarian because he isn't, that's more 2016 butthurt whining.
 
JackA said:
Putin wanted Trump in 2016, that we know, conspiracy or no conspiracy. If he had wanted Hillary (for him like wanting a toothache) Trump, for one thing, would not have been able to secretly negotiate for a Moscow hotel through most of the primary season. On top of that Putin admitted flat out in a press conference he preferred Trump and before that the intelligence services uncovered various Russian efforts to help cause his choice to materialize. Now, Putin wants Trump for a second term, according to Trump's own national intelligence service. Why does he? Two obvious benefits to Russia come to mind. One, Trump has been a thorn in our trans Atlantic alliances, weakening them to Russia's benefit. Two, Trump has been a strikingly divisive force in the United States, weakening us to Russia's benefit. Seem like two good reasons to me.
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What Russia wanted in 2016 was to sow distrust in our election system which they succeeded. They're probably trying to sow more distrust for 2020. The more divided we become, refusing to accept election results to to lack of trust, the weaker we are and the stronger or at least having the advantage of being united Russia is.

Hillary lost because of her laziness, her inept campaign strategy, hiding from the media, her ho hum campaign, lack of energy and fire in the belly, she came across as aloof and elitist. Among many other reasons. Most of the above she had full control over. Let's not forget making Sanders support very angry at her for the DNC and Democratic party leaders rigging the primaries in her favor.

Russia got what it wanted. If Russia can sow more distrust in our elections for 2020, you can bet the farm they will. What Russia wants is for half the people to view whoever is elected as illegitimate. To divide us to a point where we won't accept the results if our side loses. We're there now.
 
JackA said:
Putin wanted Trump in 2016, that we know, conspiracy or no conspiracy. If he had wanted Hillary (for him like wanting a toothache) Trump, for one thing, would not have been able to secretly negotiate for a Moscow hotel through most of the primary season. On top of that Putin admitted flat out in a press conference he preferred Trump and before that the intelligence services uncovered various Russian efforts to help cause his choice to materialize. Now, Putin wants Trump for a second term, according to Trump's own national intelligence service. Why does he? Two obvious benefits to Russia come to mind. One, Trump has been a thorn in our trans Atlantic alliances, weakening them to Russia's benefit. Two, Trump has been a strikingly divisive force in the United States, weakening us to Russia's benefit. Seem like two good reasons to me.
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Our intelligence way back in 2016 told Obama that Russia wanted to undermine our democracy. We know they have been trying their best to pit both sides against the other. And, everything they are doing is working tremendously. For three years now the left have been running around like loony tunes screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling and that the 2016 election wasn't legitimate and trying to impeach Trump. How best to perpetuate this for another four years by backing Trump in any way they can so the left will continue running around like loony tunes for five more years.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Putin supports Trump in pursuit of a weaker America.
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Yes. By making the left run around with full blown TDS claiming that Trump isn't the legitimate president and should be impeached. You're playing right into the Russian's hands.
 
Condor060 said:
So if Russia wanted Trump, and Trump won, I guess they wanted Pelosi and is why Democrats won the house in 2018.

See how that works.
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Yeah, that is a goofy idea; that's how that works.
 
Why Does Putin Want Trump?
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He wants to ban fracking and weaken the US military. Oh, wait...
 
OpportunityCost said:
Of course they do, of course. Trump is politically an outsider. He doesn't accept traditional political status quo for that reason. It has nothing to do with being an authoritarian because he isn't, that's more 2016 butthurt whining.
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Butt hurt whining is denying that Putin is authoritarian.
 
HumblePi said:
There's a whole host of reasons Putin wants Trump to win again and he'll do everything he can to make that happen. First and foremost, Putin has always endeavored to weaken the US as a global leader and one way to do that is to divide our country along party lines. This division has become intense and borders on hysteria on both sides. Putin wants the US to have another civil war. Secondly, Putin wants to weaken NATO and that's why Trump has trashed NATO since the day he took office. Putin wanted a division between the US and the EU, and that's what he got. Putin wants the US sanctions off Russia, they're killing them economically.

Let’s not be confused by the language that has been used to describe what Russia did. Russia’s cyber attack on American elections means Russia attacked America. Does anyone really think it would end there? If another country attacked America, would Trump let it go and deny it even happened? Mikhail Fishman, the editor-in-chief of the Moscow Times, a paper critical of Putin (which has been attacked more than once), explained the Kremlin thinks of Trump as “a stupid, unstrategic politician.” Vladimir Putin aspires to reinvent Russia to the status as the USSR once had. That's why he invaded Crimea. That's why there's fighting in Ukraine. That's why none of those Baltic states that were once part of the Soviet Union are safe from Russia aggression. Putin wants a return of the Great Russian Empire.
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A lot of truth to what you said. However it is tinged with a dose of TDS. Therefore, I can't like your post, even though much of it is fairly accurate. The best way for us to counter Putin is for the left not to fall for everything they are doing to weaken our country. Putin is pulling the left's strings to make them anti-Trump to weaken our country. Putin actually sows the anti-Trump seeds and the left fall for it hook, line, and sinker. By the way, Trump just wants NATO countries to pay their fair share. We shouldn't have to spend the majority of the money to defend them. Same thing with the Paris Accord, the US was supposed to be the one saving the entire planet, especially when it came to third world countries. Trump's not against the US doing their fair share but it must be a fair share in both NATO and climate.
 
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JackA said:
Putin wanted Trump in 2016, that we know, conspiracy or no conspiracy. If he had wanted Hillary (for him like wanting a toothache) Trump, for one thing, would not have been able to secretly negotiate for a Moscow hotel through most of the primary season. On top of that Putin admitted flat out in a press conference he preferred Trump and before that the intelligence services uncovered various Russian efforts to help cause his choice to materialize. Now, Putin wants Trump for a second term, according to Trump's own national intelligence service. Why does he? Two obvious benefits to Russia come to mind. One, Trump has been a thorn in our trans Atlantic alliances, weakening them to Russia's benefit. Two, Trump has been a strikingly divisive force in the United States, weakening us to Russia's benefit. Seem like two good reasons to me.
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Agreed, both are good reasons. Two more are Trump's interest in investing into the Russian economy and, more than likely, that Putin thinks Trump has a purty mouth.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes. By making the left run around with full blown TDS claiming that Trump isn't the legitimate president and should be impeached. You're playing right into the Russian's hands.
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IMO, people who sling around "TDS" anytime someone disagrees with Trump are not moderate right. They are always full blown Party of Trump right.

Do you accept the national intelligence reports or do you just take Trump and Putin's word that there is nothing there?
 
Linc said:
Another question is why have trump/pence, GOP Senators, GOP Representatives, and GOP supporters formed a permanent and rogue election coalition with Putin?
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They haven't but that's what Putin wants you to think so that Americans question democracy itself and want to impeach a legitimately elected president. You are playing right into his hand with the TDS nonsense.
 
Craig234 said:
It's because he wants to weaken the US.
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Yes, he does want to weaken the US by convincing the left that Trump isn't the legitimate president and want to investigate Trump to death and impeach him. The left are playing right into Putin's hand.
 
independentusa said:
Several reasons. One, Trump has not yet fully implemented all of the sanctions passed by the Congress. Second, trump has allowed Putin to take control of the Middle East which Putin wants. Putin also sees Trump as weakening NATO, something else Putin wants as it gives Putin more access to markets for his gass and oil. Putin also enjoys the fact that Trump is seen as a clown by the rest of the world and that has made us less in the eyes of the world while making Putin and Russia more important.
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Putin is sowing all of this into your head and you fall for it hook, line, and sinker. You guys run around like chickens with your heads cut off screaming Trump isn't the legitimate president, let's impeach him. You are doing exactly what Putin wants you to do and you are too blind to see that it is the left who are actually colluding with the Russians.
 
jnug said:
Thread title:Why Does Putin Want Trump?

Because Putin is ex-KGB and knows how to use people to destroy his enemies or adversaries. In this case he is using Trump to destroy the United States by robbing it blind.

Trump "thinks" he can play Putin. Trump is not in Putin's league. Comparatively speaking Trump neither knows the game nor the score. Trump is simply putty in Putin's hands. Ultimately while it will look like Trump has executed his Imperial Executive complete with succession plan, he will only end up being Putin's tool as will DonDon's successor, either Don Jr or Ivanka.

Trump will end up controlling the means of finance through installing his hacks and thugs at Treasury, IRS and the Federal Reserve to go along with his takeover of DOJ via Barr. Putin will simply syphon off Billions of Dollars. Funny, we are going to end up easier to manipulate for Putin than Ukraine. Now that is a hell of a note isn't it! Manafort Trump and Putin end up executing the exact same plan Manafort and Putin had for Ukraine only this time much more successfully.
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Where is that kool aid drinking emojie?
 
Airyaman said:
If Bernie is the nom, Putin will be delighted. He won't care who wins because either will make America worse.
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Only if we fall for Putin's nonsense, which the left have done for three years now.
 
Moderate Right said:
Where is that kool aid drinking emojie?
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The Trumpeteers have used them all.

lol

Putin is again pushing to interfere in our elections to the benefit of Trump. This is known, and reported to the Congress already.
 
Royal PITA said:
IMO, people who sling around "TDS" anytime someone disagrees with Trump are not moderate right. They are always full blown Party of Trump right.

Do you accept the national intelligence reports or do you just take Trump and Putin's word that there is nothing there?
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LOL. IMO, people who sling around "Trump culters" anytime someone defends Trump on anything are not moderate. They are always full blown Party of anti-Trump.

Do you accept the national intelligence reports that say Putin wants to sow unrest and divide Americans?
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. IMO, people who sling around "Trump culters" anytime someone defends Trump on anything are not moderate. They are always full blown Party of anti-Trump.

Do you accept the national intelligence reports that say Putin wants to sow unrest and divide Americans?
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What are you arguing here?
 
Ikari said:
The Trumpeteers have used them all.

lol

Putin is again pushing to interfere in our elections to the benefit of Trump. This is known, and reported to the Congress already.
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He does it because he knows the left will run around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling, Trump isn't the legitimate president. And you guys fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
Moderate Right said:
He does it because he knows the left will run around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling, Trump isn't the legitimate president. And you guys fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
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lol

He does it to push Trump because Trump as President serves him better than others who may be more amicable to our allies.
 
bradt99 said:
I agree and why not run Al Gore again? It wouldn't hurt.
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Why not he'd win a fair election as well.

Trump has never won a fair election and never will.

Dems could run a sea slug, and trump would lose without Putin's assistance...
 
US&THEM said:
What are you arguing here?
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It's deflection, an attempt to flip the script. The problem they have is that this is yet another story of Russia backing Trump, but they need to take that away because Trump has Russia problems. So this attempt at deflection/deception is to try to spin the narrative the other way and claim that Putin isn't really pushing for Trump, he's merely trolling the left.
 
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