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    The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    I'd like to introduce a topic people rarely discuss: the corruption of the American people that is possible when a mis-information machine attacks them.

    'The will of the people' is normally treated as a bedrock, sacrosanct thing in American politics, and the theory of democracy generally. There are no questions around it. It is the last word. If the people pull a lever for 'yes' or 'no', that is right, period, everything else is simply a special interest promoting what it wants. The people decide.

    That's what was assumed in the writing of our constitution, and it is what was taught to our children in civics textbooks, when our children were taught civics. I'm not sure you could find anything about the topic of how the public opinion could be corrupted.

    And yet, that manipulation is the key instrument that threatens real democracy in our country in modern times. For all our theories and assumptions about 'free people', making 'free choices', as if people are rational and informed, we are like fish in an ocean of media, who barely even detect how powerful it is, like how real fish don't probably think a lot about the water, it's just there.

    Yet this business, art, science - all the words apply - of opinion manipulation, which might be called advertising or propaganda, has a dominant role in the American people's lives and their choices. Companies, for example, spend billions of dollars strengthening a "brand", which means so much to their profits.

    The point this is leading up to, is that is has long been, perhaps, considered somewhat impolite to raise the topic about what about when the machine of advertising is applied to politics?

    It's considered insulting - how dare something so base as advertising be presumed to influence the great institution of the American voter, that impartial, rational, informed pinnacle of human achievement? The ramifications of corrupting that are considered too horrible to consider. No, we must simply going on putting all our eggs in the basket of the Great Voter, who can overcome such influence.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, more and more vast sums are being spent on doing exactly that, to great effect.

    Politics has ALWAYS had the 'small-time' aspects of deceiving the public - the oily politicians with the phony smile and the pandering, the rallies and posters with their name, the slogans and theme songs, the small time marketing. This is not that.

    We are now - unknown to most of the public - in a whole new era of public opinion influence.

    I won't begin to try to talk about the history of the topic here, but suffice it to note how it's grown recently and quickly in the 'information age'. I will just briefly note a landmark in increased effectiveness of systematic political marketing was when one man, Richard Viguerie, created mailing lists for fundraising that became of critical importance to the rise of right-wing groups in the country around the 1970's.

    Obama's 2008 campaign was another milestone, recognized for having online activities boost his campaign - but it was a baby step towards what's been happening since.

    A 'dirty little secret' of trump's success in politics was the most advanced use ever yet seen in such advertising type activities, with 'micro-targeting' of voters and effective polling telling trump just what issues to use to gain support. I'm linking a longer article on the key role Cambridge Analytica played below.

    The blueprint for how Cambridge Analytica claimed to have won the White House for Donald Trump by using Google, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube is revealed for the first time in an internal company document obtained by the Guardian.

    The 27-page presentation was produced by the Cambridge Analytica officials who worked most closely on Trumpís 2016 presidential campaign.

    A former employee explained to the Guardian how it details the techniques used by the Trump campaign to micro-target US voters with carefully tailored messages about the Republican nominee across digital channels.

    Intensive survey research, data modelling and performance-optimising algorithms were used to target 10,000 different ads to different audiences in the months leading up to the election. The ads were viewed billions of times, according to the presentation.

    The document was presented to Cambridge Analytica employees in London, New York and Washington DC weeks after Trumpís victory, providing an insight into how the controversial firm helped pull off one of the most dramatic political upsets in modern history.
    And yet even that huge, successful effort was small compared to what is coming in the 2020 campaign. trump as a newcomer, amateur, with a small operation out of trump tower, was able to do all that, with relatively little funding.

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    This time, he is an incumbent president, with massively more power and funding for a larger operation - and it's now reported he plans to spend $1 on a disinformation campaign aimed at voters, claiming it has thousands of 'data points' on every voter, able to 'micro target' them - drowning voters in a sea of propaganda, attacking the weak link we don't talk about in our elections, the voters.

    And everything seems to suggest enormous power and effectiveness to such a campaign, with little defense against it, the only known defense being an even larger campaign launched for the opposition, which does not exist and it seems clear will not.

    And that, it seems to me, is likely what will be the most powerful factor for trump in the election. Not how well he does in debates, not how people feel about policies of candidates, not anything else. But the effect of a massive disinformation campaign that will be all too effective at influencing enough voters to win.

    The bottom link below, to a story in the Atlantic titled "The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President: How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape the 2020 election", tells the story of the coming election.

    Everyone has heard of 'the big lie' technique of repetition drowning out truth; this author did an experiment where he started to get the messaging from the 'trump machine' during the impeachment hearing, when the machine launched an attack on public opinion.

    As I swiped at my phone, a stream of pro-Trump propaganda filled the screen: “That’s right, the whistleblower’s own lawyer said, ‘The coup has started …’ ” Swipe. “Democrats are doing Putin’s bidding …” Swipe. “The only message these radical socialists and extremists will understand is a crushing …” Swipe. “Only one man can stop this chaos …” Swipe, swipe, swipe.

    I was surprised by the effect it had on me. I’d assumed that my skepticism and media literacy would inoculate me against such distortions. But I soon found myself reflexively questioning every headline. It wasn’t that I believed Trump and his boosters were telling the truth. It was that, in this state of heightened suspicion, truth itself—about Ukraine, impeachment, or anything else—felt more and more difficult to locate. With each swipe, the notion of observable reality drifted further out of reach.

    What I was seeing was a strategy that has been deployed by illiberal political leaders around the world. Rather than shutting down dissenting voices, these leaders have learned to harness the democratizing power of social media for their own purposes—jamming the signals, sowing confusion. They no longer need to silence the dissident shouting in the streets; they can use a megaphone to drown him out. Scholars have a name for this: censorship through noise.
    He makes a critical conceptual point, about how a megaphone allows the drowning of the truth - not a direct persuasive argument against it, and how effective that is. Tell the truth all you like, no one will hear.

    The article summarizes:

    Every presidential campaign sees its share of spin and misdirection, but this year’s contest promises to be different. In conversations with political strategists and other experts, a dystopian picture of the general election comes into view—one shaped by coordinated bot attacks, Potemkin local-news sites, micro-targeted fearmongering, and anonymous mass texting. Both parties will have these tools at their disposal. But in the hands of a president who lies constantly, who traffics in conspiracy theories, and who readily manipulates the levers of government for his own gain, their potential to wreak havoc is enormous.

    The Trump campaign is planning to spend more than $1 billion, and it will be aided by a vast coalition of partisan media, outside political groups, and enterprising freelance operatives. These pro-Trump forces are poised to wage what could be the most extensive disinformation campaign in U.S. history. Whether or not it succeeds in reelecting the president, the wreckage it leaves behind could be irreparable.
    I'll leave the rest of the story to the link. But while almost no one is talking about it, this is the real story of the 2020 election IMO. And I just hope that Bernie isn't bringing the knife of good policies to the American people to the gunfight of billions funding a disinformation media machine, moving our democracy to a whole new level of 'fake' and bought.

    I'd hope people actually read the two links and learn about this topic.

    Leaked: Cambridge Analytica's blueprint for Trump victory | UK news | The Guardian

    The 2020 Election Will Be a War of Disinformation - The Atlantic

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    This time, he is an incumbent president, with massively more power and funding for a larger operation - and it's now reported he plans to spend $1 on a disinformation campaign aimed at voters, claiming it has thousands of 'data points' on every voter, able to 'micro target' them - drowning voters in a sea of propaganda, attacking the weak link we don't talk about in our elections, the voters.

    And everything seems to suggest enormous power and effectiveness to such a campaign, with little defense against it, the only known defense being an even larger campaign launched for the opposition, which does not exist and it seems clear will not.

    And that, it seems to me, is likely what will be the most powerful factor for trump in the election. Not how well he does in debates, not how people feel about policies of candidates, not anything else. But the effect of a massive disinformation campaign that will be all too effective at influencing enough voters to win.

    The bottom link below, to a story in the Atlantic titled "The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President: How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape the 2020 election", tells the story of the coming election.

    Everyone has heard of 'the big lie' technique of repetition drowning out truth; this author did an experiment where he started to get the messaging from the 'trump machine' during the impeachment hearing, when the machine launched an attack on public opinion.



    He makes a critical conceptual point, about how a megaphone allows the drowning of the truth - not a direct persuasive argument against it, and how effective that is. Tell the truth all you like, no one will hear.

    The article summarizes:



    I'll leave the rest of the story to the link. But while almost no one is talking about it, this is the real story of the 2020 election IMO. And I just hope that Bernie isn't bringing the knife of good policies to the American people to the gunfight of billions funding a disinformation media machine, moving our democracy to a whole new level of 'fake' and bought.

    I'd hope people actually read the two links and learn about this topic.

    Leaked: Cambridge Analytica's blueprint for Trump victory | UK news | The Guardian

    The 2020 Election Will Be a War of Disinformation - The Atlantic

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    We could use this wall of words to turn illegal aliens around.
    The wall of bull**** and lies from Trump would be bigger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Logical1 View Post
    Which is greater, the life of the baby or a womans "rights"??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas
    Yes, we know that you don't care Trump bragged about walking in on underage girls naked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And that bothers you because????????

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election
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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    The wall of bull**** and lies from Trump would be bigger.
    LOL, you can always be counted up for the nonsensical "yeah, but whataboutTrumps" post. Way to go!
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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    This time, he is an incumbent president, with massively more power and funding for a larger operation - and it's now reported he plans to spend $1 on a disinformation campaign aimed at voters, claiming it has thousands of 'data points' on every voter, able to 'micro target' them - drowning voters in a sea of propaganda, attacking the weak link we don't talk about in our elections, the voters.

    And everything seems to suggest enormous power and effectiveness to such a campaign, with little defense against it, the only known defense being an even larger campaign launched for the opposition, which does not exist and it seems clear will not.

    And that, it seems to me, is likely what will be the most powerful factor for trump in the election. Not how well he does in debates, not how people feel about policies of candidates, not anything else. But the effect of a massive disinformation campaign that will be all too effective at influencing enough voters to win.

    The bottom link below, to a story in the Atlantic titled "The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President: How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape the 2020 election", tells the story of the coming election.

    Everyone has heard of 'the big lie' technique of repetition drowning out truth; this author did an experiment where he started to get the messaging from the 'trump machine' during the impeachment hearing, when the machine launched an attack on public opinion.

    He makes a critical conceptual point, about how a megaphone allows the drowning of the truth - not a direct persuasive argument against it, and how effective that is. Tell the truth all you like, no one will hear.

    The article summarizes:

    I'll leave the rest of the story to the link. But while almost no one is talking about it, this is the real story of the 2020 election IMO. And I just hope that Bernie isn't bringing the knife of good policies to the American people to the gunfight of billions funding a disinformation media machine, moving our democracy to a whole new level of 'fake' and bought.

    I'd hope people actually read the two links and learn about this topic.

    Leaked: Cambridge Analytica's blueprint for Trump victory | UK news | The Guardian

    The 2020 Election Will Be a War of Disinformation - The Atlantic

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    I think you're making it too complicated, and also not giving the collective will of the People enough credit.

    2016 was the Year of the Populist.

    The Republicans let their populist race ahead, and the Democrats killed their populist. (Otherwise, we'd have President Sanders.)

    2020 is the Year of Prosperity, represented by a strong economy & Trump's incumbency.

    Economy + Incumbency = Trump wins

    It's really that simple.
    And THEN what...?

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election is right-wing ignorance.
    Russian trolls and their supporters go on Ignore, automatically: no second chance.

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    LOL, you can always be counted up for the nonsensical "yeah, but whataboutTrumps" post. Way to go!
    And we can always count on you to post your usual "Trump cheerleader fanboy" posts. I've seen teeny boppers less giddy over boy bands than Trump supporters with Trump. Love it when Trump supporters show their pom poms. But Trump did say he likes to grab em by the pussy so I guess his supporters love Trump's small hands grabbing them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Logical1 View Post
    Which is greater, the life of the baby or a womans "rights"??????
    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas
    Yes, we know that you don't care Trump bragged about walking in on underage girls naked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And that bothers you because????????

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    Re: The single most important thing supporting trump's re-election

    There hasn't been time yet for anyone to actually read the articles, which is reflected in the responses I'm sure are not having anything to do with the content. Can we get some posts from people after reading the two links?

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