Commies

Good4Nothin said:

There is a certain kind of personality that makes people inclined towards anti-capitalist ideologies. For one thing, I guess, they are idealistic -- they have an image of how things ought to be, and feel angry when reality doesn't match up.

This is a matter of degree, and everyone probably has some of it. Maybe you think back to some part of your life as an ideal time, and always compare everything to that.

For "commies," the ideal in their mind is a society without competition, without selfishness, without conflict. Sort of how we experience life for an odd instant here and there, when all our friends or family are getting along. That sparkling moment when all negative thoughts and feelings somehow shut down briefly.

Why can't life ALWAYS be like that? What interferes, what are the obstacles to incessant harmony?

Actually, everything is an obstacle to incessant harmony. We couldn't stand it for very long, for one thing. But for "commies," the great obstacles are, for one thing, other people. Certain other people. Like your boss, who demands you interrupt your harmonious existence and come to work. The other big obstacle is money. I don't mean having money, I mean needing to have it. To pay bills. And therefore the boss, who wants you to be at work in the morning.

So the problem is actually quite easy to solve. Get rid of bosses. You don't work for a company owned by someone else. Someone who is above you, who disturbs your harmonious happy existence. Don't allow bosses to own the companies -- the companies should be owned by the workers, by the people. Take those companies and give them to the workers. Or give them to the government, which actually IS the people, because we vote for it.

Now everybody is the same. Workers and bosses are no longer different.

And let's get rid of money also. It's just a source of competitiveness and misery. Make everything free. If you need something, the society will provide it for you. Why not? Why shouldn't people be given everything they need? In an ideal society, they would be.

I am not exaggerating. This is how they think. To varying degrees. Some of them would be very offended if you called them a "commie." They would rather you called them "progressive." After all, the ideal society is what we are constantly PROGRESSING toward. So a progressive is someone who facilitates this progress, as opposed to a conservative, who tries to conserve the bad old ways.

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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Good4Nothin said:

There is a certain kind of personality that makes people inclined towards anti-capitalist ideologies. For one thing, I guess, they are idealistic -- they have an image of how things ought to be, and feel angry when reality doesn't match up.

This is a matter of degree, and everyone probably has some of it. Maybe you think back to some part of your life as an ideal time, and always compare everything to that.

For "commies," the ideal in their mind is a society without competition, without selfishness, without conflict. Sort of how we experience life for an odd instant here and there, when all our friends or family are getting along. That sparkling moment when all negative thoughts and feelings somehow shut down briefly.

Why can't life ALWAYS be like that? What interferes, what are the obstacles to incessant harmony?

Actually, everything is an obstacle to incessant harmony. We couldn't stand it for very long, for one thing. But for "commies," the great obstacles are, for one thing, other people. Certain other people. Like your boss, who demands you interrupt your harmonious existence and come to work. The other big obstacle is money. I don't mean having money, I mean needing to have it. To pay bills. And therefore the boss, who wants you to be at work in the morning.

So the problem is actually quite easy to solve. Get rid of bosses. You don't work for a company owned by someone else. Someone who is above you, who disturbs your harmonious happy existence. Don't allow bosses to own the companies -- the companies should be owned by the workers, by the people. Take those companies and give them to the workers. Or give them to the government, which actually IS the people, because we vote for it.

Now everybody is the same. Workers and bosses are no longer different.

And let's get rid of money also. It's just a source of competitiveness and misery. Make everything free. If you need something, the society will provide it for you. Why not? Why shouldn't people be given everything they need? In an ideal society, they would be.

I am not exaggerating. This is how they think. To varying degrees. Some of them would be very offended if you called them a "commie." They would rather you called them "progressive." After all, the ideal society is what we are constantly PROGRESSING toward. So a progressive is someone who facilitates this progress, as opposed to a conservative, who tries to conserve the bad old ways.

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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chuckiechan said:

I guess a Communist raises money through taxes, but without the incentive of improving your life what makes you get up in the morning? A bit of perspective though, a Russian friend of mine once told me that America is the only country in the world where the people expect things to get better.

Most people just struggle along trying to stay even. If you lose your job, if you find another one, you start at the bottom rung again.

The problem with capitalism is there is always someone doing better than you and they are so visibly better, you hate the ground they walk on.

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Good4Nothin said:

There is a certain kind of personality that makes people inclined towards anti-capitalist ideologies. For one thing, I guess, they are idealistic -- they have an image of how things ought to be, and feel angry when reality doesn't match up.

This is a matter of degree, and everyone probably has some of it. Maybe you think back to some part of your life as an ideal time, and always compare everything to that.

For "commies," the ideal in their mind is a society without competition, without selfishness, without conflict. Sort of how we experience life for an odd instant here and there, when all our friends or family are getting along. That sparkling moment when all negative thoughts and feelings somehow shut down briefly.

Why can't life ALWAYS be like that? What interferes, what are the obstacles to incessant harmony?

Actually, everything is an obstacle to incessant harmony. We couldn't stand it for very long, for one thing. But for "commies," the great obstacles are, for one thing, other people. Certain other people. Like your boss, who demands you interrupt your harmonious existence and come to work. The other big obstacle is money. I don't mean having money, I mean needing to have it. To pay bills. And therefore the boss, who wants you to be at work in the morning.

So the problem is actually quite easy to solve. Get rid of bosses. You don't work for a company owned by someone else. Someone who is above you, who disturbs your harmonious happy existence. Don't allow bosses to own the companies -- the companies should be owned by the workers, by the people. Take those companies and give them to the workers. Or give them to the government, which actually IS the people, because we vote for it.

Now everybody is the same. Workers and bosses are no longer different.

And let's get rid of money also. It's just a source of competitiveness and misery. Make everything free. If you need something, the society will provide it for you. Why not? Why shouldn't people be given everything they need? In an ideal society, they would be.

I am not exaggerating. This is how they think. To varying degrees. Some of them would be very offended if you called them a "commie." They would rather you called them "progressive." After all, the ideal society is what we are constantly PROGRESSING toward. So a progressive is someone who facilitates this progress, as opposed to a conservative, who tries to conserve the bad old ways.

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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Moonglow said:

Marx lived in a totally different world than any US citizen has ever had to do, same as the Russians and mostly every country in the world was subjected to the same because of despotic rulers, unenlightened monarchs, aristocratic social tiers with feudalism imposed on the serfs.The era of slavery in the Southern US was the closest thing that would be considered close to the idea of the ancient regime. The progressives do not seek to change the US into a communist state that is ludicrous to say the least and a foible from the echo chamber to get you old farts to start with a fantasy that could not be accomplished in the US without a revolution.

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Good4Nothin said:

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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Good4Nothin said:

There is a certain kind of personality that makes people inclined towards anti-capitalist ideologies. For one thing, I guess, they are idealistic -- they have an image of how things ought to be, and feel angry when reality doesn't match up.

This is a matter of degree, and everyone probably has some of it. Maybe you think back to some part of your life as an ideal time, and always compare everything to that.

For "commies," the ideal in their mind is a society without competition, without selfishness, without conflict. Sort of how we experience life for an odd instant here and there, when all our friends or family are getting along. That sparkling moment when all negative thoughts and feelings somehow shut down briefly.

Why can't life ALWAYS be like that? What interferes, what are the obstacles to incessant harmony?

Actually, everything is an obstacle to incessant harmony. We couldn't stand it for very long, for one thing. But for "commies," the great obstacles are, for one thing, other people. Certain other people. Like your boss, who demands you interrupt your harmonious existence and come to work. The other big obstacle is money. I don't mean having money, I mean needing to have it. To pay bills. And therefore the boss, who wants you to be at work in the morning.

So the problem is actually quite easy to solve. Get rid of bosses. You don't work for a company owned by someone else. Someone who is above you, who disturbs your harmonious happy existence. Don't allow bosses to own the companies -- the companies should be owned by the workers, by the people. Take those companies and give them to the workers. Or give them to the government, which actually IS the people, because we vote for it.

Now everybody is the same. Workers and bosses are no longer different.

And let's get rid of money also. It's just a source of competitiveness and misery. Make everything free. If you need something, the society will provide it for you. Why not? Why shouldn't people be given everything they need? In an ideal society, they would be.

I am not exaggerating. This is how they think. To varying degrees. Some of them would be very offended if you called them a "commie." They would rather you called them "progressive." After all, the ideal society is what we are constantly PROGRESSING toward. So a progressive is someone who facilitates this progress, as opposed to a conservative, who tries to conserve the bad old ways.

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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Good4Nothin said:

The ideals of communism underly the progressive state of mind. Things should be different, and we are evolving in that direction. The past is all bad, the future all good. Conservatives are "old farts" who hang on to the past out of fear.

Progressives don't want the totalitarianism that inevitably goes along with socialism/communism. You want the real thing, real utopian communism. With no bosses telling you what to do, and no rich people making you feel bad that you don't have as much as they have.

And please don't try to tell me this isn't how Bernie Sanders' mind basically works.

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Moonglow said:

Marx lived in a totally different world than any US citizen has ever had to do, same as the Russians and mostly every country in the world was subjected to the same because of despotic rulers, unenlightened monarchs, aristocratic social tiers with feudalism imposed on the serfs.The era of slavery in the Southern US was the closest thing that would be considered close to the idea of the ancient regime. The progressives do not seek to change the US into a communist state that is ludicrous to say the least and a foible from the echo chamber to get you old farts to start with a fantasy that could not be accomplished in the US without a revolution.

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Paradoxical said:

They are trying to accomplish it with the current Congress

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Moonglow said:

Totalanism was around with capitalism also yet you have zero problems with that part of history...No, you have it wrong again. Under socialism, given equal skills, heavier work is paid more than lighter work. Under the capitalist system on the contrary, workers employed in particularly arduous manual labour are, as a rule, paid considerably less, than other workers. So of course some will have more than others...
Yes, us old farts who are not so called conservatives see the difference.

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Moonglow said:

Accomplish what? Slavery? It still exist in the US under capitalism..

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Paradoxical said:

No one is twisting your arm to work for them.

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Sandy Shanks said:

Do you mean like Trump? Putin wants Trump to be reelected

The commie, Putin, wants to help Trump win again just like he helped Trump in 2016.

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Jredbaron96 said:

Right! If you don't want to become a corporate slave, you can just die!

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Paradoxical said:

And how much are those who would rather not work as hard as the others paid?

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Paradoxical said:

Get an education and that would free you from "slavery"/

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Paradoxical said:

And how much are those who would rather not work as hard as the others paid?

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Paradoxical said:

No one is twisting your arm to work for them. No labor camps in the United States. You're thinking of another system. Take a guess as to who had labor camps

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Good4Nothin said:

There is a certain kind of personality that makes people inclined towards anti-capitalist ideologies. For one thing, I guess, they are idealistic -- they have an image of how things ought to be, and feel angry when reality doesn't match up.

This is a matter of degree, and everyone probably has some of it. Maybe you think back to some part of your life as an ideal time, and always compare everything to that.

For "commies," the ideal in their mind is a society without competition, without selfishness, without conflict. Sort of how we experience life for an odd instant here and there, when all our friends or family are getting along. That sparkling moment when all negative thoughts and feelings somehow shut down briefly.

Why can't life ALWAYS be like that? What interferes, what are the obstacles to incessant harmony?

Actually, everything is an obstacle to incessant harmony. We couldn't stand it for very long, for one thing. But for "commies," the great obstacles are, for one thing, other people. Certain other people. Like your boss, who demands you interrupt your harmonious existence and come to work. The other big obstacle is money. I don't mean having money, I mean needing to have it. To pay bills. And therefore the boss, who wants you to be at work in the morning.

So the problem is actually quite easy to solve. Get rid of bosses. You don't work for a company owned by someone else. Someone who is above you, who disturbs your harmonious happy existence. Don't allow bosses to own the companies -- the companies should be owned by the workers, by the people. Take those companies and give them to the workers. Or give them to the government, which actually IS the people, because we vote for it.

Now everybody is the same. Workers and bosses are no longer different.

And let's get rid of money also. It's just a source of competitiveness and misery. Make everything free. If you need something, the society will provide it for you. Why not? Why shouldn't people be given everything they need? In an ideal society, they would be.

I am not exaggerating. This is how they think. To varying degrees. Some of them would be very offended if you called them a "commie." They would rather you called them "progressive." After all, the ideal society is what we are constantly PROGRESSING toward. So a progressive is someone who facilitates this progress, as opposed to a conservative, who tries to conserve the bad old ways.

But I would still like to call them communists, because they secretly do long for a communal type of society, without all the stress of this ruthless capitalist system.

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Jredbaron96 said:

Go into thousands of dollars of debt and then you can be free!

Man, do you even think before you type?

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