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Is Buttigieg Toast?

Moderate Right said:
I was looking at the polling in all of the Super Tuesday states and found not one poll showing Buttigieg in first place. For the most part it was all Bernie and Biden at the top of the polls with very few exceptions and not one of those exceptions was Buttigieg. Is he toast? Is he pretty much done for after Super Tuesday?
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I think he won't be viable after Super Tuesday. He's not viable now, but he's good virtue signalling for the Left.
 
Surrealistik said:
You mean the support for his Douglas Plan that he feigned with his ludicrous 'opt out' policy?

The Problem With Pete Buttigieg’s “Douglass Plan” for Black America

Pete Buttigieg accused of falsely touting South Carolina black support - Business Insider

Democrat Pete Buttigieg overstated pledges of support from black leaders, public figures - ABC News

His sexual orientation isn't the main problem at all.
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It's his reptilian orientation that I don't like.

The Douglass Plan debacle?

Pure Wall Street Pete.
 
Surrealistik said:
I'm not sure how a one off South Carolina focus group speaks definitively on behalf of black voters as a whole; even in that focus group, it was not considered by them to be disqualifying:

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It's however telling that, rather than come to terms with the real reason Pete lacks popularity with black voters no matter where they are in this country, Pete's campaign and supporters would evidently prefer to label and dismiss them homophobic deplorables instead. Even when you consider the more systemic differentials on racial lines like approval for gay marriage, it still isn't nearly large enough to explain the huge discrepancy between white and minority support plaguing Pete's campaign.
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Pete be fruh'in.

Nobody like a fruh'er.

(Unless he's completely outrageous, like Trump.)
 
Court Jester said:
No he isn't toast. He is still in the running for a VP shoulder tap... maybe.
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A woman isn't going to get the nomination. A white man will. So picking a white guy for Veep? Really?
 
Moderate Right said:
I was looking at the polling in all of the Super Tuesday states and found not one poll showing Buttigieg in first place. For the most part it was all Bernie and Biden at the top of the polls with very few exceptions and not one of those exceptions was Buttigieg. Is he toast? Is he pretty much done for after Super Tuesday?
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Are you planning to vote for him?
 
Court Jester said:
No he isn't toast. He is still in the running for a VP shoulder tap... maybe.
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Well, he might think that.

But there's ZERO advantage to him as VP nominee.

Any demographic he appeals to is already locked in at the top; he could only act to push voters away.

AND it hurts his chance at a future top spot - he already comes off like a bottom.
 
Lisa said:
It seems that Pete also has conservatives scared because now they are attacking him and claiming that his candidacy is over. They would ignore him if he wasn't such a threat to them.

The right is terrified of Bernie's popularity and they are creating strawmen armies right and left trying to confuse and mischaracterize his stances as somehow totatiartiain or will lead to Russia, East Germany or China. It is fun to watch for those of us who understand psychology.
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Right on Bernie, wrong on Wall Street Pete.

Pete = Toast
 
Surrealistik said:
Again, statistically there's exactly zero factual basis for the assertion that the primary or only reason Pete fails with minorities is homophobia, and the findings of a single SC focus group, which doesn't even have its correspondents citing Pete's sexuality as in any way disqualifying, certainly isn't any kind of smoking gun.
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I actually think is IS a problem for a certain number of black voters - as it is for an equal or greater number of white voters - but Pete's problem is a vague creepiness & a clearly less than stellar character.

People like clear virtue or villainy; Pete's too ambiguous/skeevecurious.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I actually think is IS a problem for a certain number of black voters - as it is for an equal or greater number of white voters - but Pete's problem is a vague creepiness & a clearly less than stellar character.

People like clear virtue or villainy; Pete's too ambiguous/skeevecurious.
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Well sure, I think his homosexuality is an obstacle, but what is being specifically claimed by Napolean and Buttigieg's campaign/supporters is both that it's a problem in particular for black voters (which there's some evidence of), and to such an extent that it accounts for his complete lack of popularity among them, which, conversely, by all known facts, is simply not true.
 
Napoleon said:
AA support is irrelevant. They don’t show up to vote and those who do will primarily vote for any Democrat in the general. You’re not going to win an election by browbeating people with the wants of 12% of the population.
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Crucial voting block actually. :shrug:
 
Moderate Right said:
I believe Biden is slipping to some of the other candidates, mostly Bloomberg. After Super Tuesday, Bernie and Biden will be the only ones with several delegates in their pocket. Bernie will be ahead but with the other candidates basically gone, black support will return back to Biden and nonblacks, in the later states, when faced with a choice of either Bernie or Biden, will return to Biden. Looks to me like after Super Tuesday Bernie and Biden will be the only two really viable candidates left. Bloomberg bet big on Super Tuesday and will lose his shorts.
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The Democratic MSM is back to pushing Warren HARD. She initially was their choice.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I actually think is IS a problem for a certain number of black voters - as it is for an equal or greater number of white voters - but Pete's problem is a vague creepiness & a clearly less than stellar character.

People like clear virtue or villainy; Pete's too ambiguous/skeevecurious.
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Yes! I think his "no true Scotsman" judgement of Christians is a huge problem.
 
Moderate Right said:
I believe Biden is slipping to some of the other candidates, mostly Bloomberg. After Super Tuesday, Bernie and Biden will be the only ones with several delegates in their pocket. Bernie will be ahead but with the other candidates basically gone, black support will return back to Biden and nonblacks, in the later states, when faced with a choice of either Bernie or Biden, will return to Biden. Looks to me like after Super Tuesday Bernie and Biden will be the only two really viable candidates left. Bloomberg bet big on Super Tuesday and will lose his shorts.
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I doubt it, but we'll see. I'm going by current trends which can change in a heartbeat. A trend that has been going on for at least a month now. But who knows? All it takes is some unknown factor to rise up or an event no one planned for.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Well, he might think that.

But there's ZERO advantage to him as VP nominee.

Any demographic he appeals to is already locked in at the top; he could only act to push voters away.

AND it hurts his chance at a future top spot - he already comes off like a bottom.
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We'll see what happens at the Democratic convention. In the event Sanders does not secure the required delegates the convention may end up brokered. Brokered deals often end up with strange bedfellows. Say Biden hangs on, he may need someone younger and perceived as more moderate to be behind him. I agree, there are many better choices than the mayor of a city like that, but strange things happen at conventions. I recall be floored when I witnessed Ronald Reagan select that lying pro Abortion establishment elitist George Bush as his VP choice.
 
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