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humbolt said:
What was the charge arising from that dossier? Collusion. As Mueller demonstrated, the evidence purportedly offered by the dossier didn't support such a charge. That's really the end of such partisan frappery and frivolity for rational people.
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this has nothing to do with the point i was making. you insisted that the dossier was disproven. it was not
don't expect that same lie to be bandied about any further until you show proof that it was disproven; something you have been unable to do
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are all over the map. Personally, I do not give a **** about so called gender identity. It's a modern invention born of political correctness. One is either a male or a female. A man born a man will always be a man. A woman born a woman will always be a female. One can be straight or gay, however gender after birth is not a choice. I don't condemn those who claim an alternate gender identity, I just do not take the claims seriously. We are what we are.
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What of those people born with both sets of genitals, male and female; how would you categorise them? Oh, and attraction to the same sex is not a conscious choice either; just as you (presumably), don't choose to be attracted to women.

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justabubba said:
this has nothing to do with the point i was making. you insisted that the dossier was disproven. it was not
don't expect that same lie to be bandied about any further until you show proof that it was disproven; something you have been unable to do
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Truly, enough elements of that file have been disproven that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's fake crap.

I seriously doubt you'd buy real estate without a complete title search. Yet here you are buying into something that largely can't be verified, and expecting others to endorse it.
 
Craig234 said:
No, those are ignorant statements. It's like saying there's no such thing as homosexuality, only people who choose to act differently.
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Nobody doubts or denies that there is homosexuality.

I'm not not going to waste time explaining to someone who is so allergic to learning, I'll simply point out you are wrong. You might not 'condemn' them; I do condemn your uncouth, rude behavior resulting from your allergy to learning.
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You are entitled to your opinion. Those who disagree with it are not wrong. Whether you like it or not the modern concept of gender identity is a recent fad. It is simply not based on reality. You are either born as a male, with all the associated equipment or a female with all the associated equipment. You can be gay or straight, however that does not change the gender you are born with. There is nothing uncouth about pointed that out. Chelsea Manning declaring himself a girl does not make him a girl. He can pretend and declare until the cows come home. He is still a male. However we can just agree to disagree as we are spending too much time off topic.
 
humbolt said:
Truly, enough elements of that file have been disproven that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's fake crap.
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and not one cite to sustain your argument that it was disproven

I seriously doubt you'd buy real estate without a complete title search. Yet here you are buying into something that largely can't be verified, and expecting others to endorse it.
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yet it is i who is holding you to an expectation of evidence you cannot provide
quite an ironic conundrum you have created via your repeated misrepresentations and pretentions
 
ObamacareFail said:
Nobody doubts or denies that there is homosexuality.
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Not really true, people certainly have, but the point is that denying gender identity is like denying there is homosexuality.

\You are entitled to your opinion. Those who disagree with it are not wrong. Whether you like it or not the modern concept of gender identity is a recent fad.
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Actually, they are. Same thing was said by some about homosexuality: a recent fad. That's what people who can't learn something new say about something they don't like.

It is simply not based on reality.
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Actually, it is. Your opinion is not, it's based on bias, ignorance, denial.

You are either born as a male, with all the associated equipment or a female with all the associated equipment. You can be gay or straight, however that does not change the gender you are born with.
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Your 'argument' would be the same against gays. 'You're either born male and are attracted to females or...' Yes, transgender have male or female equipment (this isn't about hermaphrodites). And that has nothing to do with their gender identity. Your argument is as wrong as saying that because they have male equipment, they're a heterosexual male/gender identified male.
 
justabubba said:
and not one cite to sustain your argument that it was disproven


yet it is i who is holding you to an expectation of evidence you cannot provide
quite an ironic conundrum you have created via your repeated misrepresentations and pretentions
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I have no pressing need to disprove the basis of a false claim. That it had been largely disproven is simply icing on the cake. Neither have you offered any proof at all that Russian collusion claims are anything more than spurious. If Mueller and the IG report didn't reveal the fraudulence of such claims for you, nothing likely will.
 
Craig234 said:
Not really true, people certainly have, but the point is that denying gender identity is like denying there is homosexuality.



Actually, they are. Same thing was said by some about homosexuality: a recent fad. That's what people who can't learn something new say about something they don't like.



Actually, it is. Your opinion is not, it's based on bias, ignorance, denial.



Your 'argument' would be the same against gays. 'You're either born male and are attracted to females or...' Yes, transgender have male or female equipment (this isn't about hermaphrodites). And that has nothing to do with their gender identity. Your argument is as wrong as saying that because they have male equipment, they're a heterosexual male/gender identified male.
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Again, we will have to agree to disagree, hopefully you can do so respectfully in the future. Take care.
 
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