Cultural Marxism - America's vehicle to communism

marke said:

What did Bush do to tank the economy? Did the democrat majority in Congress help him? Do you know that experts said bad financial instruments such as credit defaults were the primary cause of the collapse?

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Yes, that happened when regulations were taken off the banks and lending institutions; you know, big government should not interfere in the free market and all. Free markets take care of everything and need no oversight and regulation, right?

marke said:

Democrats seem intent on adding trillions of dollars to new deficits once they regain control of the government. I just wish they understood where money comes from and how scarce it is in a socialist society.

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News flash: the deficit is increasing under Trump.

Ohhhh I see now. You don't mean rights as recognized by the Constitution. You mean Government defined rights.

Sorry, no. If you want these things, make a case in the legislature. Human rights are not defined by government or liberals - else we would have a "human right" to unicorns, puppy dogs and freedom from any offense. Sorry, no.

ataraxia said:

RE: basic human rights such as food, clean water, shelter, access to healthcare, and a basic education:



I would be OK with starting to o do those things at home. Would you?

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TobyOne said:

Ohhhh I see now. You don't mean rights as recognized by the Constitution. You mean Government defined rights.

Sorry, no. If you want these things, make a case in the legislature. Human rights are not defined by government or liberals - else we would have a "human right" to unicorns, puppy dogs and freedom from any offense. Sorry, no.

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News flash: the Constitution is a legal document defining certain rights and enforced by the government.

Without the government to protect and enforce those rights, do you think many people would be able to have any of them?

ataraxia said:

Yes, that happened when regulations were taken off the banks and lending institutions; you know, big government should not interfere in the free market and all. Free markets take care of everything and need no oversight and regulation, right?

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Slashing all regulations for the purpose of putting every black family in America into their own home is not an example of sensible regulation/deregulation.

ataraxia said:

News flash: the deficit is increasing under Trump.

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Exactly, which is a bad thing. But deficits can be eliminated by stimulus spending, as Obama proved. It was not the deficit which forced S&P to lower America's credit rating for the first time in history under Obama, it was the lack of reasonable planning to repay the debt.

ataraxia said:

News flash: the Constitution is a legal document defining certain rights and enforced by the government.

Without the government to protect and enforce those rights, do you think many people would be able to have any of them?

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The Constitution protects American rights to own guns and to worship God according to conviction, but it does not give government the right to rob the rich to give free things to the poor.

marke said:

Slashing all regulations for the purpose of putting every black family in America into their own home is not an example of sensible regulation/deregulation.

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Wow, OK, ignoring the shocking racism (I’m actually no longer shocked by it in the Trump era)....

That was what the free market did when the regulations were taken off. The Republicans took off those regulations. Who else was involved in the decision-making? You think the free market is racist and should remain regulated now only if it helps black people?

Make up your mind what you want. I’m getting confused.

marke said:

The Constitution protects American rights to own guns and to worship God according to conviction, but it does not give government the right to rob the rich to give free things to the poor.

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Except, of course, if they are farmers or “too big to fail”, right?

ataraxia said:

Wow, OK, ignoring the shocking racism (I’m actually no longer shocked by it in the Trump era)....

That was what the free market did when the regulations were taken off. The Republicans took off those regulations. Who else was involved in the decision-making? You think the free market is racist and should remain regulated now only if it helps black people?

Make up your mind what you want. I’m getting confused.

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The deregulation of lending institutions and the lowering of credit standards for home mortgages effected by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 opened the door to the flaws and excesses which resulted in the 2008 collapse. The following Wikipedia article lists 5 overlapping causes for the 2008 collapse, and one of them was
"Government policies that encouraged home ownership even for those who could not afford it, contributing to lax lending standards, unsustainable housing price increases, and indebtedness."

Subprime mortgage crisis - Wikipedia

marke said:

The deregulation of lending institutions and the lowering of credit standards for home mortgages effected by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 opened the door to the flaws and excesses which resulted in the 2008 collapse. The following Wikipedia article lists 5 overlapping causes for the 2008 collapse, and one of them was
"Government policies that encouraged home ownership even for those who could not afford it, contributing to lax lending standards, unsustainable housing price increases, and indebtedness."

Subprime mortgage crisis - Wikipedia

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This is what happens when you remove regulations and oversight of the free market. From the article that you reference:

” The U.S. Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported its findings in January 2011. It concluded that "the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: Widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve's failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; Dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; An explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; Key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels."[49]

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ataraxia said:

This is what happens when you remove regulations and oversight of the free market. From the article that you reference:

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Exactly.

1.The crisis was avoidable and might have been avoided if politicians had listened to experts almost from the beginning of the Bush administration who sounded the alarm about the out-of-control direction lending institutions were going in with the newly deregulated mortgage backed securities instrument unleashed by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. But the majority of politicians drowned out reason and fiscal sense and the nation keep heading full steam into fiscal disaster which came in 2008. Barney Frank later apologized for his bad judgment in all of this which ultimately led to the collapse of Wall Street.

2. The bad fiscal policies unleashed by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 opened the door wide to "breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk." Sadly, financial institutions were deceived by several factors, including the fact that "everyone was doing it," that the "government had authorized the loosening of credit standards in order to make it possible for more poor and minority families to take out mortgages and move into homes they really could not afford," and that the government was supposedly guaranteeing risky loans through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, eliminating risk. That, however, turned out to be a lie.

3. There is no doubt that key politicians were "ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system" they regulated or deregulated as they seemed best. Those politicians should have listened to conservative voices which raised alarms about the lowering of credit standards in home buying, but those conservative voices were drowned out by liberal demands for expanding home ownership which could not be effected apart from lowering lending standards.

Simon W. Moon said:

Well, ****.

If it's listed in Urban Dictionary, I guess it's a real thing, then.

That site's gd authoritative af

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Read the rest of the definitions. It goes on and on. [including the CT ones]

marke said:

Cultural Marxism is the modern driving force behind advocacy for governmental changes in the US from capitalistic liberty to communism.

"While Marxism has largely disappeared from the workers' movement, Marxist theory flourishes today in cultural institutions, in the academic world, and in the mass media. ... (Modern) theorists of Marxism recognized that the proletariat would not play the expected historical role as a "revolutionary subject." Therefore, for the revolution to happen, the movement must depend on the cultural leaders to destroy the existing, mainly Christian, culture and morality and then drive the disoriented masses to Communism as their new creed.

The goal of this movement is to establish a world government in which the Marxist intellectuals have the final say. In this sense, the cultural Marxists are the continuation of what started with the Russian revolution."

Is Cultural Marxism America's New Mainline Ideology? | Mises Wire

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I wonder what kind of stress you feel being so afraid of everything in society.

You're still talking about rights being bestowed upon people by the government. In the US this is false. The constitution protects people from the government by recognizing rights bestowed upon them by the Creator. Or if you're non-religious you can view them as natural rights. Anything but bestowed upon people by the government.

ataraxia said:

News flash: the Constitution is a legal document defining certain rights and enforced by the government.

Without the government to protect and enforce those rights, do you think many people would be able to have any of them?

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Talk to the Clinton administration. They used the goal of putting black families in homes to justify the law. I don't recall there being much oppostion - in fact, I think everyone thought it was a great idea. Call it Murphy's law or the law of unintended consequences but when you **** with markets bad things can and usually do happen.

ataraxia said:

Wow, OK, ignoring the shocking racism (I’m actually no longer shocked by it in the Trump era)....

That was what the free market did when the regulations were taken off. The Republicans took off those regulations. Who else was involved in the decision-making? You think the free market is racist and should remain regulated now only if it helps black people?

Make up your mind what you want. I’m getting confused.

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marke said:

Bloomberg set a good example when he was mayor of NYC. He regulated the size of soft drinks people would be ALLOWED to buy. What kind of idiotic communist control idea was that?

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Limiting soft drink size... leads to communism. Got it. :lamo

So this is the big example? This is "cultural marxism" that you're so terrified of? Soft drink sizes!? :lamo

If that's the worst thing to fear from "cultural marxism," I've got much more important **** to think about, my friend.

marke said:

Cultural Marxism is the modern driving force behind advocacy for governmental changes in the US from capitalistic liberty to communism.

"While Marxism has largely disappeared from the workers' movement, Marxist theory flourishes today in cultural institutions, in the academic world, and in the mass media. ... (Modern) theorists of Marxism recognized that the proletariat would not play the expected historical role as a "revolutionary subject." Therefore, for the revolution to happen, the movement must depend on the cultural leaders to destroy the existing, mainly Christian, culture and morality and then drive the disoriented masses to Communism as their new creed.

The goal of this movement is to establish a world government in which the Marxist intellectuals have the final say. In this sense, the cultural Marxists are the continuation of what started with the Russian revolution."

Is Cultural Marxism America's New Mainline Ideology? | Mises Wire

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Cultural capitalism only leads to corruption not better government at lower cost.

Deuce said:

Limiting soft drink size... leads to communism. Got it. :lamo

So this is the big example? This is "cultural marxism" that you're so terrified of? Soft drink sizes!? :lamo

If that's the worst thing to fear from "cultural marxism," I've got much more important **** to think about, my friend.

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Today it's "you cannot have a soft drink that is larger than 12 ounces." Tomorrow it's "you must turn over to the government every dime you make above $1,000.00/week." Next week it's "you must give up your 2nd home to the government because of our national homeless problem."

marke said:

Today it's "you cannot have a soft drink that is larger than 12 ounces." Tomorrow it's "you must turn over to the government every dime you make above $1,000.00/week." Next week it's "you must give up your 2nd home to the government because of our national homeless problem."

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If we ask that people to wipe their behinds is that a first step to forcing them to stay in the shower all day?

TobyOne said:

You're still talking about rights being bestowed upon people by the government. In the US this is false. The constitution protects people from the government by recognizing rights bestowed upon them by the Creator. Or if you're non-religious you can view them as natural rights. Anything but bestowed upon people by the government.

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What rights are bestowed on us by a creator when there is no empirical evidence that a creator exists. Read when Jefferson used that word and the context of the use before you make that silly claim that the creator gave us rights.

There are no god-given rights because of the very concept of rights and freedom is man-made and can only exist inside a political structure and the society that is created. Logically when the government and society collapse into chaos, then our rights and freedoms also cease to exist. This is a basic concept of political philosopohy.

ataraxia said:

RE: basic human rights such as food, clean water, shelter, access to healthcare, and a basic education:



I would be OK with starting to o do those things at home. Would you?

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Healthcare as a 'right'?

How can the labor, skills, and knowledge, all of which have real and tangible market value, of another person become a 'right' for someone else, a right to be demanded for free?

Seems a free market, based on consensual agreement, promotes far more liberty and freedom in principal, than so called 'Democratic' (i.e. mob tactics) invented 'rights' which are not enumerated in the Constitution.

Deuce said:

Limiting soft drink size... leads to communism. Got it. :lamo

So this is the big example? This is "cultural marxism" that you're so terrified of? Soft drink sizes!? :lamo

If that's the worst thing to fear from "cultural marxism," I've got much more important **** to think about, my friend.

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Apparently, Marke isn't intelligent enough to know just to purchase two drinks instead of his favorite 2-liter Slurpee.

The idea that Bloomberg's law would just create more trash was part of its downfall.

marke said:

Exactly, which is a bad thing. But deficits can be eliminated by stimulus spending, as Obama proved. It was not the deficit which forced S&P to lower America's credit rating for the first time in history under Obama, it was the lack of reasonable planning to repay the debt.

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Last I knew the House held control of the federal spending purse strings.

eohrnberger said:

Healthcare as a 'right'?

How can the labor, skills, and knowledge, all of which have real and tangible market value, of another person become a 'right' for someone else, a right to be demanded for free?

It seems a free market, based on consensual agreement, promotes far more liberty and freedom in principal, than so-called 'Democratic' (i.e. mob tactics) invented 'rights' which are not enumerated in the Constitution.

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Did you forget that the right to a fair trial is also a right, so are judges and legal aid lawyers not paid? Do cops and fire departments also work for free? I hate ignorant libertarian thinking.

The idea that healthcare is a core right means that we as a society have made a decision that we are all deserving of effectivce care and that we will also spread out the cost of those services for those providers as a social good.