[Live] 2020 Dem NV Primary Debate Live Thread!

[justabubba]

A part of me just wants to see Buttigieg debate trump.

I suspect that would be spectacular!

tRump would refuse to debate him

because he believes mayor Pete would take him out, too

sadly, such a refusal would be the smart option

 

[justabubba]

Biden is going to get a boost from this.

what did he do or say to cause such movement? or is it that his performance was not as awful as expected?

 

[justabubba]

If the Facebook link that is live streaming the debate is an indiciation, this has been a bad night for everyone on the panel.

yep, facebook is the best place to find objective political assessments [/s]

 

[MovingPictures]

actually, running third party is the way bloomberg could assure the democrats a victory

republicans embarrassed and tired of tRump's stupidity would have a second republican option

That will never happen.

Republicans always back their guy no matter how ugly they are as humans, because all they care about is whether they get a tax break or social conservatives on the courts.

 

[MovingPictures]

Meanwhile, Trump's approval is on the rise.

I think this is largely due to the feeling by voters that Sanders is the favorite right now. Many Republican voters who are ashamed to support Trump, feel more comfortable admitting they intend to vote for him over Sanders in a general.

 

[Erod]

You are entitled to your opinion and your opinion is shared by many but that does not mean you and the rest with the same opinion are right.

Let me remind you that each of the countries that had bad socialism (Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc) were run by Dictators. None had checks and balances, none has majority rules, and none had a Congress that was there to put limits on the executive office.

This all means that even if Bernie wins, we will not become what those countries are. It is as simple as that and if you don't see it, it is because you choose not to. It is plain to see as reading.

Checks and balances don't mix with socialism. You understand that, right?

The thing those countries definitely have in common is that they are effectively bankrupt. They have no economy. Bernie's agenda would cost $60 trillion just as a starter.

Americans aren't OK with 75% tax rates as a standard. People aren't going to go through the trials of med school for average working classes wages. They aren't going to work for "the state." Americans don't want to fade into irrelevance like England and France on the world stage. They'd be third-world by now without the might of the US propping them up still.

Elect Bernie, and you'll have a Civil War that will make the last one look like a spitwad fight.

America isn't a socialist country. That's EXACTLY why it's America.

 

[zimmer]

actually, running third party is the way bloomberg could assure the democrats a victory

republicans embarrassed and tired of tRump's stupidity would have a second republican option

He wouldn’t attract R’s... he’d attract D’s... it’s why he’s run as one.

 

[Erod]

Sore loser Stacey Abrams desperately craves the VP nomination.

She'd be a Bernie temper tantrum away from being President. That should scare the crap out of everybody.

 

[Napoleon]

A "millionaire with three houses" who, for the first fifty or so years of his life, lived on the most meager wages.
Sanders only became wealthy enough to own a decent home when he finally got to the Senate.
In fact, when he first was elected to Congress in 1991, his 89 thousand dollar a year salary caught him priced out of most Washington DC real estate. I know, I grew up there.

Bloomberg's wisecrack reminds me of folks who sneer at rock stars who finally make some good money, because they forget that rich rock star lived on ramen and hot dogs for the first twenty years of their career, or wealthy authors who hit it big, like Chuck Bukowski who never managed to hang onto a place to live for more than two months at a time until he was suddenly "discovered" at nearly age sixty.

And oh, by the way, a lot of legislators in Mike "Manchurian" Bloomberg's REAL party (the GOP) pretend to live frugal lives by "hot bunking" at
"family fellowship" crash pads, not revealing that powerful lobbyists are paying the bill for them.

So not only was it a cheap shot, when it comes from a billionaire all it proves is that Bloomberg is an IDIOT for believing that democratic socialism doesn't want anyone to be wealthy. Nonsense...but ghastly excess is ghastly excess.

There were plenty of filthy rich people walking around in the New Deal era.
There are plenty of filthy rich people in Denmark, Sweden, France, Norway, Finland, Germany, etc.

Basically Mike Bloomberg tried using a Trump tactic which only works with Trump voters.

I think you missed the point. Sanders was never steadily employed by his own choice until he entered politics. Capitalism was good to him once he made the effort and that’s when his message changed. Millionaires, along with billionaires, were the root of all evil in America until he became one himself. And yes, rather than serfs starving to death at the hands of brutal rich masters, our best known socialist is a man with the means to pay $600,000 for a lakefront house with a private beach in cold hard cash in addition to two other homes at roughly $500,000 a pop. He’s living proof that our system is not so rigged against the middle and lower classes that a person can’t go from a bum drifting between part time jobs to a multimillionaire.

 

[Luckyone]

Checks and balances don't mix with socialism. You understand that, right?

The thing those countries definitely have in common is that they are effectively bankrupt. They have no economy. Bernie's agenda would cost $60 trillion just as a starter.

Americans aren't OK with 75% tax rates as a standard. People aren't going to go through the trials of med school for average working classes wages. They aren't going to work for "the state." Americans don't want to fade into irrelevance like England and France on the world stage. They'd be third-world by now without the might of the US propping them up still.

Elect Bernie, and you'll have a Civil War that will make the last one look like a spitwad fight.

America isn't a socialist country. That's EXACTLY why it's America.

Look, Trump has been trying very hard to rule like a dictator/autocrat and has not yet accomplished it..................and he is trying by putting cronies in positions of power, such as Barr in the Justice Department, McConnell and all of the other cronies in the Senate, and ignoring the Constitution. He is corrupt and believes in one man running the country, such as Putin, Kim Young-un, Erdegan and others like that. Bernie believes in the masses ruling and not one man ruling. He believes in voters and believes in the Constitution. The chances of him becoming a dictator and instituting a Socialist agenda as the one you mentioned (Cuba) is about the same odds of winning the lottery.

You seem to worry about Bernie doing that but are not worried about Trump, who is doing that and making himself a Dictator, doing that exact thing other than the fact that it would not be the public running the country but the rich, who would enslave all of us.

Bernie is not going to be a Dictator and he will depend on the majority vote to get things done and there are many in the Democrat party that do not agree with him, meaning that he would not likely to get enough votes to implement his radical ideas.

I am more worried about Trump becoming a dictator as he is having success at doing that, than Bernie taking us to a bad Socialist country.

Use your brains, if you have any.

 

[justabubba]

Exactly. I don't care how politically correct we've become, it looks like beating-up on a women. Especially the nice-girl-next-door type, like Klobuchar

took her out with one punch to the exposed nose

so much for her self-vaunted political experience

if this event were not televised she would have actually cried

yea, she would do well against tRump in a one-on-one debate [/s]

 

[Phys251]

I want people to not die on the street. I want people like my Uncle and my grandmother to not ration their insulin. I want to have access to psychotherapy for my PTSD so I don't end up painting the ceiling with my own grey matter.

Are you sure, CMP? Because you've made it very clear that you won't support the Democratic nominee if it's anyone other than Bernie Sanders. Seems like it's more important for you to get your way than it is for struggling people to be kept alive. :shrug:

That isn't jealousy, that is asking for basic humanity.

:lamo

After the attitude that you have displayed, you are in no position to lecture to anyone about "basic humanity." Take a number and get in the back of the line with the rest of us.

 

[swing_voter]

took her out with one punch to the exposed nose

so much for her self-vaunted political experience

if this event were not televised she would have actually cried

yea, she would do well against tRump in a one-on-one debate [/s]

I think the voters will forgive her her mistake. Voters make the same kind of mistakes all the time.

Obrador is the Mexican president's name, I think. But I could be wrong.

 

[VanceMack]

yep, facebook is the best place to find objective political assessments [/s]

And this place is?

Or any of the biased media outlets?

Please......

 

[Phys251]

They are virtually ignoring Trump and that makes no political sense, Primary, caucus or not. The goal still has to be to dethrone Trump and I do mean dethrone with all the implications of that word.

You were talking to someone who doesn't oppose Trump and in all likelihood, secretly supports him.

 

[Mason66]

The real parasites are people who inherit money and dont have productive employment.

Who would be the host for those parasites? Who are they feeding off of?

 

[HumblePi]

I don’t mind that she pulled the AR-15... but she’s a phony. One minute (barely a week earlier) she’s complaining about exactly what she did last night.

Your side doesn’t have a candidate that can win. I was actually hoping Bloomy would win... as I hate to see the D party nominate a Communist, but... Bloomy was awful, and he had ample time to come up with responses to known attacks.

I know he doesn't like debates and this debate was definitely a first for him in that category. I know he's more than capable of running this country. He will have to prove it to more people than myself in the next debate.

 

[Phys251]

There’s already a name for what FDR was: a Democrat. A term and association Bernie has deliberately avoided his entire career, including in his 2018 re-elect. He has instead inexplicably taken on the mantle of socialism, perhaps because it sounds hip to the DSA-types. So now if he’s the nominee we get to wade through the “actually, the Soviets got some things right!” takes that have already popped up in this thread. This is becoming a self-parody alarmingly quickly.

And the multiple old videos of comments by Sanders where he pretty much said that.

 

[aociswundumho]

A "millionaire with three houses" who, for the first fifty or so years of his life, lived on the most meager wages.
Sanders only became wealthy enough to own a decent home when he finally got to the Senate.
In fact, when he first was elected to Congress in 1991, his 89 thousand dollar a year salary caught him priced out of most Washington DC real estate. I know, I grew up there.

Bernie's salary in 1991 was 125k, not 89k, according to this chart:

Salaries of members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia

The average price in DC in 1991 was about 100k which is peanuts for someone making 125k per year at the time:



Bernie has been living off of the taxpayer for 40 years. He has had a six figure income for 30 of those years, yet prior to his dumb book, he has always had a low net worth, which means he is very bad at managing his own money. Yet people expect this imbecile to provide a healthcare plan for 330 million people.

 

[jonny5]

I think you missed the point. Sanders was never steadily employed by his own choice until he entered politics. Capitalism was good to him once he made the effort and that’s when his message changed. Millionaires, along with billionaires, were the root of all evil in America until he became one himself. And yes, rather than serfs starving to death at the hands of brutal rich masters, our best known socialist is a man with the means to pay $600,000 for a lakefront house with a private beach in cold hard cash in addition to two other homes at roughly $500,000 a pop. He’s living proof that our system is not so rigged against the middle and lower classes that a person can’t go from a bum drifting between part time jobs to a multimillionaire.

He became rich off taxpayers though, by getting a salary and benefits which only a few hundred people can get. Thats exactly what socialists do. Some pigs are more equal.

 

[Mason66]

Everyone on earth has some self interest (human nature) but I can guarantee you that Bernie has less than most and certainly less by a mile than Trump.

Compared to Trump, Bernie is Mother Teresa.

No you cannot guarantee that.

You only know what he tells you.

 

[Mason66]

That's something else that has Democrats scared to death.

Who could possibly be a viable VP for Bernie's ticket? Nobody currently running except Warren, and they hate each other.

So who? Nobody makes sense.

Ocasio-Cortez? Tlaib? The dead body of Hugo Chavez?

Ocassio is too young still.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Who would be the host for those parasites? Who are they feeding off of?

Society as a whole?

 

[Mason66]

A "millionaire with three houses" who, for the first fifty or so years of his life, lived on the most meager wages.
Sanders only became wealthy enough to own a decent home when he finally got to the Senate.
In fact, when he first was elected to Congress in 1991, his 89 thousand dollar a year salary caught him priced out of most Washington DC real estate. I know, I grew up there.

Bloomberg's wisecrack reminds me of folks who sneer at rock stars who finally make some good money, because they forget that rich rock star lived on ramen and hot dogs for the first twenty years of their career, or wealthy authors who hit it big, like Chuck Bukowski who never managed to hang onto a place to live for more than two months at a time until he was suddenly "discovered" at nearly age sixty.

And oh, by the way, a lot of legislators in Mike "Manchurian" Bloomberg's REAL party (the GOP) pretend to live frugal lives by "hot bunking" at
"family fellowship" crash pads, not revealing that powerful lobbyists are paying the bill for them.

So not only was it a cheap shot, when it comes from a billionaire all it proves is that Bloomberg is an IDIOT for believing that democratic socialism doesn't want anyone to be wealthy. Nonsense...but ghastly excess is ghastly excess.

There were plenty of filthy rich people walking around in the New Deal era.
There are plenty of filthy rich people in Denmark, Sweden, France, Norway, Finland, Germany, etc.

Basically Mike Bloomberg tried using a Trump tactic which only works with Trump voters.

The bolded should be very worrisome to all Sanders supporters.

 

[poweRob]

Another Bernie brown shirt lie. Bernie Bros are down with their online MAGAts threatening to kill Democratic State party leaders.

Okay. You're unhinged yet again. Buh bye.