[Live] 2020 Dem NV Primary Debate Live Thread!

[CMPancake]

They are virtually ignoring Trump and that makes no political sense, Primary, caucus or not. The goal still has to be to dethrone Trump and I do mean dethrone with all the implications of that word.

Well how much more do you need to know aside from the fact that almost all the candidates stand diametrically opposed to Donald Trump? All of them would agree and nauseam and would only try to find the prettiest way to paint up their platitudes about Trump.

If you want a candidate that beats Donald Trump, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

 

[Erod]

Well how much more do you need to know aside from the fact that almost all the candidates stand diametrically opposed to Donald Trump? All of them would agree and nauseam and would only try to find the prettiest way to paint up their platitudes about Trump.

If you want a candidate that beats Donald Trump, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Bernie would get beat by Trump by at least 30 points. This is a not a socialist country. Bernie's built quite an echo chamber of lazy, irresponsible Americans who can't function on their own.

Americans don't like losers. That movement has a ceiling, especially when more than half of that support will outgrow Bernie when they mature.

 

[CMPancake]

Bernie would get beat by Trump by at least 30 points. This is a not a socialist country. Bernie's built quite an echo chamber of lazy, irresponsible Americans who can't function on their own.

Bernie Sanders beats Donald Trump.

Americans don't like losers. That movement has a ceiling, especially when more than half of that support will outgrow Bernie when they mature.

Bernie's voting bloc is more passionate, and harder working than any other base in Modern American history. Americans want to not die from treatable medical conditions in the future, and the future is now, old man.

 

[jnug]

Well how much more do you need to know aside from the fact that almost all the candidates stand diametrically opposed to Donald Trump? All of them would agree and nauseam and would only try to find the prettiest way to paint up their platitudes about Trump.

If you want a candidate that beats Donald Trump, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Oh I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee because I will vote for anything with a D tattooed to its butt his year. But unfortunately I think Bernie's will be a losing effort in the general. If the Dems would take Bernie on which they ALSO have not done in this nominating process, then I would have more faith in Bernie's ability in the general. But they aren't which means the first time Bernie ends up really taking incoming for his fantasy platform is in the general against the GOP and they are just going to slaughter Bernie IMO.

 

[CMPancake]

Oh I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee because I will vote for anything with a D tattooed to its butt his year. But unfortunately I think Bernie's will be a losing effort in the general. If the Dems would take Bernie on which they ALSO have not done in this nominating process, then I would have more faith in Bernie's ability in the general.

The Democrats have all made concentrated efforts to go after Bernie Sanders. With Warren going as far as smearing and lying about personal conversations the two had in the past. The DNC in 2016 deliberately worked against Sanders in the election due to the threat he presented to Hilary Clinton.

But they aren't which means the first time Bernie ends up really taking incoming for his fantasy platform is in the general against the GOP and they are just going to slaughter Bernie IMO.

Then demand your Democrats in Congress and the Senate to rally and support Bernie Sanders. His policies aren't fantasy, they are the last ditch effort to save Americans from dying or going bankrupt from treatable medical conditions.

 

[Paradoxical]

Bernie would get beat by Trump by at least 30 points. This is a not a socialist country. Bernie's built quite an echo chamber of lazy, irresponsible Americans who can't function on their own.

Americans don't like losers. That movement has a ceiling, especially when more than half of that support will outgrow Bernie when they mature.

The thing with Bernie is that he has a relatively small band of primarily younger people who see him as the pied piper who can make it all work. Being young and dumb, they have not yet gone out into the real world. All they hear and know is theory like "Denmark is socialist and they are very happy people" not realizing they aren't socialist, are a VERY small country, and don't have millions of illegals to feed and house and school. Very few people who are older and have gone through the school of hard knocks and have gotten any education at all will NOT vote for Bernie and the only states he'll win are Vermont, New York, California, Oregon, Washington. It will be a sea of red comparable to Reagan over Carter.

 

[TurtleDude]

Bernie Sanders beats Donald Trump.



Bernie's voting bloc is more passionate, and harder working than any other base in Modern American history. Americans want to not die from treatable medical conditions in the future, and the future is now, old man.

parasites often are.

 

[CMPancake]

parasites often are.

The real parasites are private health insurance companies.

 

[Luckyone]

Bernie would get beat by Trump by at least 30 points. This is a not a socialist country. Bernie's built quite an echo chamber of lazy, irresponsible Americans who can't function on their own.

Americans don't like losers. That movement has a ceiling, especially when more than half of that support will outgrow Bernie when they mature.

You are totally wrong.

You forget that Bernie was favored to win over Trump in 2016 by an average of 13% whereas Hillary was only leading by 5%. Bernie is exactly the same as he was in 2016 (his campaign and support has not changed) and Trump has been horrible in everything except the economy and Bernie supporters don't care about the economy, meaning that Bernie is still favored over Trump, not the other way around.

Here are the poll numbers from 2016 of Bernie vs Trump.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Sanders

 

[Jay59]

All 8 of them are better than the buffoon currently hiding behind Melania and Ivanka’s dress.

Only in your dreams.

Well how much more do you need to know aside from the fact that almost all the candidates stand diametrically opposed to Donald Trump? All of them would agree and nauseam and would only try to find the prettiest way to paint up their platitudes about Trump.

If you want a candidate that beats Donald Trump, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

None of these will do that job. Bernie is the one that makes a protest statement.

The thing with Bernie is that he has a relatively small band of primarily younger people who see him as the pied piper who can make it all work. Being young and dumb, they have not yet gone out into the real world. All they hear and know is theory like "Denmark is socialist and they are very happy people" not realizing they aren't socialist, are a VERY small country, and don't have millions of illegals to feed and house and school. Very few people who are older and have gone through the school of hard knocks and have gotten any education at all will NOT vote for Bernie and the only states he'll win are Vermont, New York, California, Oregon, Washington. It will be a sea of red comparable to Reagan over Carter.

I think this is completely wrong. Bernie is the only one with authenticity, which is also Trump's strength. He cannot beat Trump in this universe, but he's the only one that compares. The others are all plastic coated, if not plastic clear through.

This may turn out to be the most significant of all the debates. The reason is that people are finally paying attention is the main mass of voters.

 

[jnug]

You are totally wrong.

You forget that Bernie was favored to win over Trump in 2016 by an average of 13% whereas Hillary was only leading by 5%. Bernie is exactly the same as he was in 2016 (his campaign and support has not changed) and Trump has been horrible in everything except the economy and Bernie supporters don't care about the economy, meaning that Bernie is still favored over Trump, not the other way around.

Here are the poll numbers from 2016 of Bernie vs Trump.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Sanders

IMO, won't get Bernie past the EC in the Presidential race of 2020 though I will vote for him if he is the nominee. Bernie was never fully vetted by the Dem party or Hillary in 2016 and they are making the same mistake this year without Hillary.

We would be dreaming if we think the GOP and Trumpkin will not mount a much more serious effort to expose Bernie's nonsense in the general.

 

[btthegreat]

You are totally wrong.

You forget that Bernie was favored to win over Trump in 2016 by an average of 13% whereas Hillary was only leading by 5%. Bernie is exactly the same as he was in 2016 (his campaign and support has not changed) and Trump has been horrible in everything except the economy and Bernie supporters don't care about the economy, meaning that Bernie is still favored over Trump, not the other way around.

Here are the poll numbers from 2016 of Bernie vs Trump.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Sanders

Why would anyone use polling data pretending as though a general election campaign was fought, when no such campaign between the GOP hit machine and Sanders was ever fought? They never bothered to produce a single negative ad, let alone use one against Sanders. They still haven't! Its silly!

 

[3leftsdoo]

You may be right and then I may regret my choice for Bernie. I still think with the right veep Bernie can win over the moderates and beat Trump.

Katy Perry.

If he selects Katy Perry as his running mate, he not only can win, but will.

Not kidding.

Katy = Da Bizzle

 

[3leftsdoo]

Current polling numbers have Bernie beating Trump in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. If you want a candidate that can beat Donald Trump in 2020, support and vote for Bernie Sanders. There is literally no other alternative.

2016 Sanders = Would have beaten 2016 Trump

2020 Sanders = Cannot beat 2020 Trump

Unless Katy Perry is his running mate.

:thumbs:

But Bernie needs to be the nominee anyway.

For the healing.

:yes:

 

[Paradoxical]

The real parasites are private health insurance companies.

You don't think people should profit from being a doctor, making medicine, operating a hospital, paying out claims? Or.......

Do you think they should only make what YOU think is fair?

 

[Paradoxical]

Only in your dreams.


None of these will do that job. Bernie is the one that makes a protest statement.


I think this is completely wrong. Bernie is the only one with authenticity, which is also Trump's strength. He cannot beat Trump in this universe, but he's the only one that compares. The others are all plastic coated, if not plastic clear through.

This may turn out to be the most significant of all the debates. The reason is that people are finally paying attention is the main mass of voters.

How will we get the 22 TRILLION that Bernie's plans will cost?

 

[3leftsdoo]

There is no objective reason to believe Bernie Sanders would lose to Donald Trump in a Presidential election.

Without Katy, he cannot win.

We need to hear her ROAR!

 

[3leftsdoo]

Today Warren made me question my decision to vote for Bernie. Too late, I've already early-voted for him. And given that only about 1 million people apparently watched the debate until the end, her performance will probably be too little too late.

If she keeps it up, she may change a lot of minds.

Fierce!

:thumbs:

 

[Luckyone]

IMO, won't get Bernie past the EC in the Presidential race of 2020 though I will vote for him if he is the nominee. Bernie was never fully vetted by the Dem party or Hillary in 2016 and they are making the same mistake this year without Hillary.

We would be dreaming if we think the GOP and Trumpkin will not mount a much more serious effort to expose Bernie's nonsense in the general.

The reality is that no candidate is ever going to get everything they talk about before the election done. Trump promised the moon before the election and the best he has done is climb to the top of a hill.

People "know: that much of what Bernie wants to do is not going to get done but they do know:

1) he means what he says
2) he is incorruptible
3) he is constant
4) he has a vision
5) he has the public's best intentions in mind

These 5 things are all big pluses to all people and that is not going to erode no matter what Trump says in his attacks.

In addition, none of Bernie's supporters are going to leave him no matter what Trump says and many undecided when faced with more Trump for 4 years and knowing that Bernie will follow the Constitution, will follow Democracy (majority rules) and will follow the guidelines of what a President is and can do, will not be all that worried about his extreme left views.

To me, this means that Bernie has a good chance to win over Trump no matter the attacks that are thrown at him.

I too understand that what Bernie wants to do is not doable and is leaning strongly toward a Socialistic society but Socialism as known as the one that is bad, is not going to be instituted in this nation no matter how much Bernie tries.

Nonetheless, I believe Bernie is true to his beliefs and is an honest and dependable man and I would rather have someone like him be president than someone like Trump be president. I have always stated that people that have morals, ethics, principles and humanity can never do anything permanently damaging to our country as those 4 things will always stop the person from doing what goes against those principles. Bernie will be able to do what others in the democratic process will allow him to do but he will not be able to do all he wants to do, no matter what.

Bernie, if nominated, will beat Trump.

 

[Greenbeard]

No, actually, he's said for decades that he is a 'Democratic Socialist' - but what's more important is that his policies aren't even that, they're FDR type values. He's gotten better at correcting people who say 'socialist' telling them no, 'Democratic Socialist'.

There’s already a name for what FDR was: a Democrat. A term and association Bernie has deliberately avoided his entire career, including in his 2018 re-elect. He has instead inexplicably taken on the mantle of socialism, perhaps because it sounds hip to the DSA-types. So now if he’s the nominee we get to wade through the “actually, the Soviets got some things right!” takes that have already popped up in this thread. This is becoming a self-parody alarmingly quickly.

 

[3leftsdoo]

As stated earlier, Sanders is more likely to win in my estimation than any other candidate in the field:

Bloomberg is unelectable for reasons that should have just been made abundantly clear.

Buttigieg is a small time mayor who is utterly unqualified and is despised by both the progressive wing and minorities.

Warren has the intellect and largely has the policy but sorely lacks charisma, and is essentially bereft of good political instincts; she would make a killer cabinet member though, like Yang.

Biden... has dementia, and a notably more exploitable past.

Klobuchar has the least charisma of any of the serious Democratic candidates by far, and also struggles with the progressive and minority vote.

Meanwhile, besides consistently winning head to heads by substantial margins against Trump, including in pivotal states and the Rust Belt, Sanders is most trusted nationwide on the question of healthcare which is _the_ #1 issue according to Americans, surpassing the economy, and this to a backdrop of Trump cutting Medicare, Medicaid and the CDC to give himself and his rich friends permanent tax breaks, even as we look upon one of the worst outbreaks in modern history.

Bernie/Katy can win in 2020.

Any other ticket?

Nope.

:shrug:

 

[aociswundumho]

The thing with Bernie is that he has a relatively small band of primarily younger people who see him as the pied piper who can make it all work. Being young and dumb, they have not yet gone out into the real world. All they hear and know is theory like "Denmark is socialist and they are very happy people" not realizing they aren't socialist, are a VERY small country, and don't have millions of illegals to feed and house and school.

Or the staggering taxes even poor people pay in all of the Nordic countries.

 

[Paradoxical]

Or the staggering taxes even poor people pay in all of the Nordic countries.

Exactly. it is customary taht even poor or average people there pay 60-70% of their wages in taxes.

 

[Threegoofs]

The real parasites are private health insurance companies.

The real parasites are people who inherit money and dont have productive employment.

 

[Luckyone]

Why would anyone use polling data pretending as though a general election campaign was fought, when no such campaign between the GOP hit machine and Sanders was ever fought? They never bothered to produce a single negative ad, let alone use one against Sanders. They still haven't! Its silly!

First or all, the nation was not 100% sure whether Hillary or Bernie would win the nomination and therefore the polls were based on what people were saying at the time and Bernie was ahead of Hillary by a whopping 8% in ability to beat Trump.

As far as negative ads are concerned, they are not going to change Bernie's supporters minds. His supporters do not care about the economy as much as they care about Health Care, Education, higher wages and less income inequality. This means those negative ads are going to be addressed at Trump supporters who are already going to vote for Trump and to independents and independents are going to be split in no worse than half for Bernie and half for Trump.

Keep in mind that just like Trump has not been able to do everything he promised, people do know that Bernie is not going to be able to do everything he wants, meaning that they are not going to be all that worried that everything Bernie wants will occur.

In addition, people already know that Bernie is honest, is incorruptible, is constant/consistent and that he wants what is best for all and not for himself, such as Trump is and that will bring even more support from independents as those are qualities that everyone respects and that Trump has none of.

As such, your fears of what Trump is going to attempt to do to Bernie is not something that is going to work all that effectively.