[Live] 2020 Dem NV Primary Debate Live Thread!

[Napoleon]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

There is no reason to believe that is true and plenty of reason to believe the opposite.

 

[Linc]

Goalpost shift. I'm 100% on board with thorium, but when people talk about nuclear power without discussing what the fuel is, they mean uranium.

India then China are the leaders in going on line with Thorium next decade.

There’s no way to get back an untold number of trillions of dollars on nuclear weapons.

 

[Surrealistik]

Can Sanders beat Trump? Yes, he could. Will he? That's very questionable, even if he becomes the last one standing.

Sanders would absolutely win in 2008, when the economy was crashing. But people are happy with the economy now, like it or not. They're scared of going back to 2008, and unless there's an economic slowdown between now and November, it would be very hard for Sanders to win, and I suspect his margins with Boomers would be awful, so as to offset any minor uptick in youth turnout.

Sorry to say it, but I still see that scenario.

Well it sure is a good thing then that healthcare is the #1 issue, surpassing even the economy, while Sanders is by far the most trusted candidate on the matter.

Meanwhile, Trump, as he muses about slashing Social Security, made tax cuts for the rich permanent, and financed this by cutting Medicare, Medicaid and CDC funding while we're on the verge of facing one of the worst outbreaks in modern history.

 

[CMPancake]

There is no reason to believe that is true and plenty of reason to believe the opposite.

There is no objective reason to believe Bernie Sanders would lose to Donald Trump in a Presidential election.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Warren was on the Warpath tonight! My wife will vote for Warren March 17th. I’m undecided. I wish there was a choice for a brokered convention.

Not mentioned much here is the separate votes for delegates, and with whom they’re aligned with. My CD has 4 delegates.

You guys must be having a great time, especially playing operation chaos voting in Dem primaries.

Today Warren made me question my decision to vote for Bernie. Too late, I've already early-voted for him. And given that only about 1 million people apparently watched the debate until the end, her performance will probably be too little too late.

 

[Tigerace117]

I don't recall Sanders approving of Stalinist purges or genocides.

Conversely, I do recall Sanders praising programs that endeavoured to provide the basic needs of Soviet citizens.

Soviet programs were notorious for failing to do any such thing

 

[Linc]

I think she buried the hatchet

in bloomberg's head!

trump will be on fire tomorrow night in Vegas. He’s stalking the Dems wherever they go. Plus, he’ll be in AZ and CO this week. Parscale is brilliant.

 

[GreatNews2night]

It's late. Good night.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Goalpost shift. I'm 100% on board with thorium, but when people talk about nuclear power without discussing what the fuel is, they mean uranium.

Not trying to move the goalposts, I was just saying that Bernie will eventually be educated about it if he doesn't already have some inkling.
So I don't worry about his position on U/Pl fuel cycle nukes, because if we're going to move on nuclear, we should move in the direction of thorium first and foremost. There is no need to build any more U/Pl type plants.
The thorium fuel cycle is actually quite mature, it's just that it laid dormant when our Congress made its "Sophie's Choice" back at the outset of the Cold War. Instead of completing the funding cycle for BOTH systems, they forced us to choose one, and the military's need for weapons won out.

Clearly stronger voices should have insisted on both.

 

[MovingPictures]

Unless someone has a gun held to their head, labor intensive work is just work.... a job--- and you know how a job works don't you?

With a job YOU provide your labor to an employer for a period of time (usually a week or two). And then at the END of that period of time they give you paycheck (money)--- and then everything is squared up. You the worker are not a victim, and they the employer is not the villain. And neither are heroes either-- all expecations are satisfied--- all debts are paid.

It ain't personal, it's just business.

Do schools no longer teach economics?

A "week or two"? What ****ing century are you living in? Most labor jobs are full time.

The whole "it ain't personal, it's just business" stuff sounds like something a mob soldier would say, which is ironic, because that's what these billionaire jackasses act like when they run for office.

There's such a thing as being exploited. You don't have to be a socialist to care about that. We have laws in this country to prevent it, or did not teach law in your school?

 

[Court Jester]

Okay cool, so not everyone can be Tom Sawyer. Should those who cannot be Tom suffer and die from treatable ailments?

You aren't asking the correct question. The question should be: Who should pay for the treatment?

You are posting your messages on some sort of computer or electronic device I assume. How much would that devise be worth if it were commandeered by the government from you and sold to pay for some level of treatment for someone else? So if the government does that, are you okay with that arrangement, or wouldn't you prefer to use YOUR computer for what YOU prefer to use it for?

I can never understand the logic behind how a socialist thinks. You folks want to do what you want with what is MINE. Why not just take what you have and do with it what you want, and if it means giving it away to someone else-- then more power to you.

Socialism is rooted in green eyed jealousy. You want what isn't yours, and you resent the people who would rather not give it to you.

 

[Napoleon]

There is no objective reason to believe Bernie Sanders would lose to Donald Trump in a Presidential election.

There absolutely is. The only basis for your claim is popular vote polling for an election that is not decided by popular vote. Sanders isn’t capable of winning an electoral college victory and his prospects will get worse over time as his plans to kill jobs get more airtime. We are already seeing unions turn against him.

 

[Surrealistik]

Soviet programs were notorious for failing to do any such thing

In the time between the disastrous Stalinist experiments and the faltering of its economy into the 80s, they did in fact succeed at guaranteeing a minimum standard of living, and a universality of adequate education, healthcare and the like. It is foolhardy to assert that at no time did the SU fail to provide for its people, even if there were indeed broad swaths of disaster throughout its history.

 

[Jay59]

There is no objective reason to believe Bernie Sanders would lose to Donald Trump in a Presidential election.

Other than he only appeals to about 30% of the population and is not running for reelection in a good economy.

Don't get me wrong. I just voted for Bernie, but be serious. He's the throw in the the towel and at least make a statement candidate.

 

[MovingPictures]

You may be right and then I may regret my choice for Bernie. I still think with the right veep Bernie can win over the moderates and beat Trump.

Sure, he can beat Trump. He just needs some luck. Like I said, Republicans might rue the day they provoked the left to vote for him.

I don't blame you for voting for Sanders. He's a winner right now and he's got his **** together, while the moderate lane is all over the place. If they can't put up somebody to stop him and he gets a majority, they are partly to blame if he ends up being the last person standing.

 

[poweRob]

Okay...

Warren owned the night. Totally took Bloomberg out. That was such an embarrassing night for him mostly because of her outstanding performance. Bernie did second best. Pete looked weak and petty. Biden looked nonexistent. Klob made no ground but at least did better than Bloomer, Biden, and Pete.

 

[Craig234]

Let's be fair to Bloomberg from a technical standpoint. The man IS a tech genius when it comes to market trading. He invented "The Bloomberg Terminal".

I've been fair to Bloomberg - he's remarkable at what he's done with his company. Very impressive.

Between him and Thomson-Reuters, they invented high speed computerized trading.

What a horrible thing that is, begging for government regulation. It's harmful. Bernie's plan isn't just good for getting money from it, it's good for reducing the activity. Most stock trades now are very short term 'high speed trading' that does nothing to create wealth, only to extract it.

 

[poweRob]

I'm hoping Bloomberg will bring some pragmatic moderation to the stage.

How'd that work out for ya Chomsky? lol

j/k

 

[poweRob]

I disagree. Sanders, Warren, and Biden now attacking Bloomberg only elevates Bloomberg right out of the gate.

:lamo

Elevated?

:lamo

 

[Craig234]

Yep, if you look at the national polls Bernie can win the nation's popular vote, just like Hillary did, then crash and burn in the swing states where trump won the Electoral College in 2016. It's in these states that Biden is currently ahead of trump in the polls.

Except Bernie beat Hillary in 71 of 72 counties in Wisconsin. Bernie is the one who will do better - Biden is Hillary 2.0.

 

[Phys251]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Don't even try to worm your way out of your puerile comments with unprovable assumptions, CMP. Your own words prove that you couldn't care less if Trump gets reelected, and it's very likely that that's what you may want if your Personal Lord and Savior doesn't get nominated. Your attempts to stiff-arm me into voting for a socialist in the primary who has a pile of hidden baggage are so pathetically dumb that I'm surprised they didn't come from a Trump supporter. :laughat:

See? I can copy-paste my posts as well.

 

[MovingPictures]

It won't be like this, the race will consolidate, it always does.

Indeed it will.

When we finally have a national election (partly), there will only be two or three people that win on Super Tuesday. Those will be the ones that get to stay on the island, while the others still in the race will be getting some phone calls that it's time to step down and endorse X candidate.

Klobuchar, Warren, and Steyer are likely to get those phone calls as things stand.

 

[Surrealistik]

You may be right and then I may regret my choice for Bernie. I still think with the right veep Bernie can win over the moderates and beat Trump.

As stated earlier, Sanders is more likely to win in my estimation than any other candidate in the field:

Bloomberg is unelectable for reasons that should have just been made abundantly clear.

Buttigieg is a small time mayor who is utterly unqualified and is despised by both the progressive wing and minorities.

Warren has the intellect and largely has the policy but sorely lacks charisma, and is essentially bereft of good political instincts; she would make a killer cabinet member though, like Yang.

Biden... has dementia, and a notably more exploitable past.

Klobuchar has the least charisma of any of the serious Democratic candidates by far, and also struggles with the progressive and minority vote.

Meanwhile, besides consistently winning head to heads by substantial margins against Trump, including in pivotal states and the Rust Belt, Sanders is most trusted nationwide on the question of healthcare which is _the_ #1 issue according to Americans, surpassing the economy, and this to a backdrop of Trump cutting Medicare, Medicaid and the CDC to give himself and his rich friends permanent tax breaks, even as we look upon one of the worst outbreaks in modern history.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Doh! Clearly you don't let historical data get in the way of your dreams bruh'! In the 2016 Primary, Bernie did not do well against Hillary in southern states.

In your hypothetical, Bernie would need a VEEP that could help the ticket compete in Florida, Georgia and North Carolina.

 

[Linc]

Today Warren made me question my decision to vote for Bernie. Too late, I've already early-voted for him. And given that only about 1 million people apparently watched the debate until the end, her performance will probably be too little too late.

It’s amazing to me to see bernie’s people think he’s won and should be GIVEN the nomination with 3.9% of the delegates out.

I’ll be voting for the candidate I believe can win a delegate in my CD out of the 4 available that isn’t named sanders, as well as get 15% statewide.