[Live] 2020 Dem NV Primary Debate Live Thread!

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Bloomberg the "Manchurian" is done.

 

[Craig234]

What does stock trading (what Bernie calls stock speculation) have to do with college loan debt? NOTHING thats what.

Stock speculation is an activity that is parasitical and drains massive amounts out of the country, not creating nearly the wealth it takes, and increasing the taxation on it makes it give back a bit, and using that bit for education is good for the American people.

 

[3leftsdoo]

This debate won't affect Nevada. Bloomberg is not in Nevada. And 75,000 have already early-voted in Nevada before this debate. Probably only another 25,000 will show up on Saturday.

Yeah - huge push for early voting.

The winner in NV could well be the nominee, but Biden is surprisingly strong in the desert, so maybe not!

 

[GreatNews2night]

If Progressive lane is owned by Sanders with 30% and Moderate lane with 70% is split 4- or 5-ways, then do you consider 30% to be the true representative "will" of the people?

It won't be like this, the race will consolidate, it always does.

 

[Phys251]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Don't even try to worm your way out of your puerile comments with unprovable assumptions, CMP. Your own words prove that you couldn't care less if Trump gets reelected, and it's very likely that that's what you may want if your Personal Lord and Savior doesn't get nominated. Your attempts to stiff-arm me into voting for a socialist in the primary who has a pile of hidden baggage are so pathetically dumb that I'm surprised they didn't come from a Trump supporter. :laughat:

 

[Surrealistik]

Programs that had their genesis in mass murder.

If you're talking about the origin of the Soviet regime, literally every country on earth was built on a foundation of mass murder, bloodshed and warfare; by that logic there isn't a program under the sun that's clean.

Obviously anyone reasonable can sensibly recognize as separate and distinct the good that was achieved during the life of a government or regime versus its evil, even if the overall balance lies towards the latter as it did with the Soviets.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Much better. I agree, no need to shut down existing nukes unless they pose a safety risk.

But we should stop building them, because they are horribly expensive. I'm paying for all kinds of cost overruns at Plant Vogtle. :doh

Thorium.
This is not your grandfather's nuclear power.

And sooner rather than later, Bernie will get educated on thorium.
I guarantee you he is aware of the reasons why we went the plutonium/uranium route.

 

[Craig234]

If Progressive lane is owned by Sanders with 30% and Moderate lane with 70% is split 4- or 5-ways, then do you consider 30% to be the true representative "will" of the people?

It's not that simple. trump had 31% at this time last election, then had 90% of his party's support. Did Bill Clinton have the 'will of the people' when he won in 1992 with 43% of the vote? Bernie is the best politician in the country, and his support will increase as he becomes the nominee and president.

 

[Phys251]

Okay cool, so not everyone can be Tom Sawyer. Should those who cannot be Tom suffer and die from treatable ailments?

If you don't get your way in the primary, then apparently you're just fine with that. :shrug:

 

[jnug]

Stock speculation is an activity that is parasitical and drains massive amounts out of the country, not creating nearly the wealth it takes, and increasing the taxation on it makes it give back a bit, and using that bit for education is good for the American people.

One man's stock speculation is another man's stock trading. Good luck with that one and it still has NOTHING TO DO WITH COLLEGE LOAN DEBT.

 

[Phys251]

Thorium.
This is not your grandfather's nuclear power.

And sooner rather than later, Bernie will get educated on thorium.
I guarantee you he is aware of the reasons why we went the plutonium/uranium route.

Goalpost shift. I'm 100% on board with thorium, but when people talk about nuclear power without discussing what the fuel is, they mean uranium.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Yeah - huge push for early voting.

The winner in NV could well be the nominee, but Biden is surprisingly strong in the desert, so maybe not!

Neuroscientists should study the proprieties of the Nevada desert air in temporarily decreasing symptoms of dementia.

 

[MovingPictures]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Can Sanders beat Trump? Yes, he could. Will he? That's very questionable, even if he becomes the last one standing.

Sanders would absolutely win in 2008, when the economy was crashing. But people are happy with the economy now, like it or not. They're scared of going back to 2008, and unless there's an economic slowdown between now and November, it would be very hard for Sanders to win, and I suspect his margins with Boomers would be awful, so as to offset any minor uptick in youth turnout.

Sorry to say it, but I still see that scenario.

 

[vesper]

The losers tonight were the Democratic Party elites. They thought Bloomberg was the smoking gun that will keep Sanders from the eventual nomination. He was their choice because Biden is so weak and lousy at campaigning. But Bloomberg bombed. And after tonight all those ads people have been watching telling Bloomberg is so great exposed him tonight.


Bernie was the winner. Why? because he is the only one in that lane proud to call himself a Democratic Socialist while the rest running left of center have a traffic jam of candidates dividing the votes in the other lane even though many of their policy proposals are not that far from Bernie's. Especially Warren. And it doesn't appear that anyone of them are willing to get out at this time so Bernie sails on. I believe he will be the winner of the primary at this time.

But the Democratic elites are right to be concerned because if Bernie gets the nomination it will be a massacre of Democrats down ballot in places they need to carry.

Tonight two Democratic pundits Mark Penn and Douglas Schoen, two analysts that supported Hillary Clinton said tonight Trump was the winner

 

[Linc]

just starting to go on the warpath!!

Warren was on the Warpath tonight! My wife will vote for Warren March 17th. I’m undecided. I wish there was a choice for a brokered convention.

Not mentioned much here is the separate votes for delegates, and with whom they’re aligned with. My CD has 4 delegates.

You guys must be having a great time, especially playing operation chaos voting in Dem primaries.

 

[TurtleDude]

Warren was on the Warpath tonight! My wife will vote for Warren March 17th. I’m undecided. I wish there was a choice for a brokered convention.

Not mentioned much here is the separate votes for delegates, and with whom they’re aligned with. My CD has 4 delegates.

You guys must be having a great time, especially playing operation chaos voting in Dem primaries.

I think she buried the hatchet

in bloomberg's head!

 

[lurchadams]

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

Yep, if you look at the national polls Bernie can win the nation's popular vote, just like Hillary did, then crash and burn in the swing states where trump won the Electoral College in 2016. It's in these states that Biden is currently ahead of trump in the polls. This is where it will count, my friend. As we learned in 2010, the national popular vote means nothing when people in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania can determine the outcome in the E.C.

 

[Slavister]

It's not that simple. trump had 31% at this time last election, then had 90% of his party's support. Did Bill Clinton have the 'will of the people' when he won in 1992 with 43% of the vote? Bernie is the best politician in the country, and his support will increase as he becomes the nominee and president.

If Bernie increases his support substantially, i.e. to 45%+, then sure. But if he does not...

It won't be like this, the race will consolidate, it always does.

In 2 weeks, 67% of delegates will be distributed with 4-5 people other that Bernie still being on the ballot. That's a lot of split votes IMO... Even if a couple drop out after, there will still likely be 2 or even 3 non-Bernie ones competing for another 20% of delegates before anyone else drops out. I expect dropouts to be slow ESPECIALLY because the brokered convention scenario is going to be the MOST likely outcome.

 

[CMPancake]

Can Sanders beat Trump? Yes, he could. Will he? That's very questionable, even if he becomes the last one standing.

Sanders would absolutely win in 2008, when the economy was crashing. But people are happy with the economy now, like it or not. They're scared of going back to 2008, and unless there's an economic slowdown between now and November, it would be very hard for Sanders to win, and I suspect his margins with Boomers would be awful, so as to offset any minor uptick in youth turnout.

Sorry to say it, but I still see that scenario.

Considering political instincts like these lead to the Democrats losing everything in 2016, forgive me if I find your statements to be skeptical at best.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Stock speculation is an activity that is parasitical and drains massive amounts out of the country, not creating nearly the wealth it takes, and increasing the taxation on it makes it give back a bit, and using that bit for education is good for the American people.

Not to mention that, prior to Mike Bloomberg, Wall Street was maybe not dependent on the old ticker tape machines but it was not very far removed.
Let's be fair to Bloomberg from a technical standpoint. The man IS a tech genius when it comes to market trading. He invented "The Bloomberg Terminal". Between him and Thomson-Reuters, they invented high speed computerized trading.

Of course, along WITH all that speed came some pretty terrifying unintended consequences, too numerous to get into without hijacking the subject of the thread but let's just say that computerized high speed trading and the algorithms that make it tick have drastically changed the nature of the global stock market.

 

[CMPancake]

Don't even try to worm your way out of your puerile comments with unprovable assumptions, CMP. Your own words prove that you couldn't care less if Trump gets reelected, and it's very likely that that's what you may want if your Personal Lord and Savior doesn't get nominated. Your attempts to stiff-arm me into voting for a socialist in the primary who has a pile of hidden baggage are so pathetically dumb that I'm surprised they didn't come from a Trump supporter. :laughat:

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that can beat Donald Trump. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, Donald Trump will be reelected. If you truly want Donald Trump out of the White House, support and vote for Bernie Sanders.

 

[Court Jester]

Disgusting how you look at those that do labor intensive work this way.

Unless someone has a gun held to their head, labor intensive work is just work.... a job--- and you know how a job works don't you?

With a job YOU provide your labor to an employer for a period of time (usually a week or two). And then at the END of that period of time they give you paycheck (money)--- and then everything is squared up. You the worker are not a victim, and they the employer is not the villain. And neither are heroes either-- all expecations are satisfied--- all debts are paid.

It ain't personal, it's just business.

Do schools no longer teach economics?

 

[Linc]

Don't even try to worm your way out of your puerile comments with unprovable assumptions, CMP. Your own words prove that you couldn't care less if Trump gets reelected, and it's very likely that that's what you may want if your Personal Lord and Savior doesn't get nominated. Your attempts to stiff-arm me into voting for a socialist in the primary who has a pile of hidden baggage are so pathetically dumb that I'm surprised they didn't come from a Trump supporter. :laughat:

They did.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Can Sanders beat Trump? Yes, he could. Will he? That's very questionable, even if he becomes the last one standing.

Sanders would absolutely win in 2008, when the economy was crashing. But people are happy with the economy now, like it or not. They're scared of going back to 2008, and unless there's an economic slowdown between now and November, it would be very hard for Sanders to win, and I suspect his margins with Boomers would be awful, so as to offset any minor uptick in youth turnout.

Sorry to say it, but I still see that scenario.

You may be right and then I may regret my choice for Bernie. I still think with the right veep Bernie can win over the moderates and beat Trump.

 

[CMPancake]

Yep, if you look at the national polls Bernie can win the nation's popular vote, just like Hillary did, then crash and burn in the swing states where trump won the Electoral College in 2016. It's in these states that Biden is currently ahead of trump in the polls. This is where it will count, my friend. As we learned in 2010, the national popular vote means nothing when people in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania can determine the outcome in the E.C.

Current polling numbers have Bernie beating Trump in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. If you want a candidate that can beat Donald Trump in 2020, support and vote for Bernie Sanders. There is literally no other alternative.