[Live] 2020 Dem NV Primary Debate Live Thread!

[Trippy Trekker]

Klobuchar was at 7% in latest polls, should drop to 3%.

Bloomberg, 19%. Should drop to 12% and stop growing.

Warren at 14%, should go to 20%.

Buttigieg, maybe a tiny growth, 2% more. Was at about 12%, goes to 14%?

Sanders might lose a few points given Warren's progress, was at 32% peak earlier today, maybe will go to 28%.

Biden at 18% might go back to 19%, stop bleeding for a while.

This leaves 4% of undecided, previous polls had as low as 1% of undecided people but this debate will muddle the waters a bit if it was well-watched across America.

Nice prognostication for a Nationwide poll! I have more interest in the results of the upcoming Nevada Caucus, specifically: 1. number of pledged Nevada delegates won by each candidate; 2. momentum lost or gained by the final vote tally this Saturday for each candidate.

How many delegates does Nevada have?
The 36 pledged delegates Nevada sends to the national convention will be joined by 12 unpledged PLEO delegates (5 members of the Democratic National Committee, 5 members of Congress, of which 2 are Senators and 3 are U.S. Representatives, 1 governor, and 1 distinguished party leader).

2020 Nevada Democratic caucuses - Wikipedia

I liked the feisty nature of tonight's debate!

 

[Phys251]

Effectively, Bernie wants to "take down" nuclear as an energy source and that is LAUGHABLY absurd given the necessity of drawing down on the amount of carbon we spew into the atmosphere via Fossil Fuels. You have to seal nuclear power plants when you shut them down. You can't bulldoze them. That is true.

Much better. I agree, no need to shut down existing nukes unless they pose a safety risk.

But we should stop building them, because they are horribly expensive. I'm paying for all kinds of cost overruns at Plant Vogtle. :doh

 

[Craig234]

He platform plank is forgiving all college student loan debt. Until he gets more specific in public it is what it is.

As for free college...same story. the candidate himself needs to be more specific about his intentions with regard to free college. I have always suspected that it would be impractical to offer "free college" to all but without specificity to the actual details its all fantasy to me. Bernie has been singing his free college song for how long now and he still really does not have any details for how he wants to do it? Doesn't fly.

You not being informed doesn't make you right that the info isn't there.

Free College, Cancel Debt

 

[Court Jester]

The Socialists already have a political party. Why would you throw a tantrum after failing to hijack the Democratic Party when you could simply join theirs?

BINGO!

 

[TurtleDude]

He's barely participating in the debate compared to everyone else.

Best analysis-he got scalped

 

[GreatNews2night]

He believes that at a brokered convention, the candidate who gets the most pledged delegates should automatically get the nomination.

Clearly he does not believe in the rules of the very nomination process that he chose to participate in. And he helped write those rules!

Sorry, you are mischaracterizing it. He knows that the way for the main plurality candidate to be picked is the second ballot. He just advocated for that person to be picked. He didn't say automatically. Of course it will be done by the process. He just said the process should pick the one with the most votes, like the party has almost always done (except for a very unusual 1968 convention).

 

[Linc]

You're nuts. But no doubt, they'll see that as the same as the admitted genital grabber who actually has dozens of women accusing him of sexual misconduct, who actually had multiple sex industry affairs shortly after his wife gave birth and illegally paid hush money to mislead the voters.

Oh good. Craig234 telling a poster he’s nuts and I get lectured to by hypocritical posters like GN2n.

Did you notice none of those trump problems prevented his election? sanders certainly lost Pennsylvania tonight for all Democrats.

 

[Craig234]

BINGO!

You're a Nazi communist. Since you keep telling a lie that Bernie is a "socialist", I guess we can just throw those labels around.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Klobuchar is getting ready to throw a stapler at Buttigieg.

She has a reputation for abusing staff and having a high employee-turnover ratio.

 

[Phys251]

Sorry, you are mischaracterizing it. He knows that the way for the main plurality candidate to be picked is the second ballot. He just advocated for that person to be picked. He didn't say automatically. Of course it will be done by the process. He just said the process should pick the one with the most votes, like the party has almost always done (except for a very unusual 1968 convention).

Wait, am I missing something? I thought Sanders meant that the one with the plurality of delegates deserves the nomination.

 

[RAMOSS]

Using your analogy, if everyone is a Tom Sawyer, who ends up painting the fence?

of course, one thing that is rarely mentioned is that , well the people who make lots of money tend to get started with investment from their parents

 

[Crosscheck]

Wouldn't debates be interesting if the moderators could turn off the politicians' mics when one's time was out.
No overtalking someone else's time too.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Ok...so Im a conservative and you can take this for what its worth but after this debate...

Amy I think is just thinking these people are all nuts enough they will at some point self destruct and she will be the only real 'democrat' choice available.
Pete is a smooth talker...and he is a complete empty suit.
Biden...done...Biden comes across as desperately irrelevant.
Warren is a pandering jackwagon. Everything she says is a transparent appeal to minorities.
Bloomberg should be done. He wont be but after that massacre...he should be. This is just the beginning. They are going to pound him on the womens issues. He should cut his losses.
Bernie should be the democrat nominee. He sometimes comes across as your crazy uncle, his ideas are going to bankrupt the country if they ever get implemented but he is the most directly honest candidate and has stayed true to his socialist roots and has the most solid base in the party. With the right running mate...I still think Stacey Abrams...he would be a real threat to beat Trump. Plus...if it takes a dirty trick campaign by the DNC to beat him at the convention they will lose the support of his voters. Not twice in a row.

Last...if I was that coalition of candidates I would demand a debate moderator panel that focused on issues and stopped focusing on the personal attacks. They arent doing themselves any favors.

Agree 100%, one of the best posts of the night

 

[MovingPictures]

Sorry, you are mischaracterizing it. He knows that the way for the main plurality candidate to be picked is the second ballot. He just advocated for that person to be picked. He didn't say automatically. Of course it will be done by the process. He just said the process should pick the one with the most votes, like the party has almost always done (except for a very unusual 1968 convention).

This is similar to 1968 in that the convention might have to find a majority.

Let's just say that at the convention, Sanders as 40% of the vote, then you have one moderate with 35% and another with 20%. The moderate at the back of the field can get out of the race after March, then say "I endorse this candidate at the convention, I'd like my delegates to vote for them on the second ballot", and that's how Sanders could be over taken.

Warren can do the same for Sanders.

 

[Surrealistik]

1988 with Bernie in the Soviet Union — tax hikes on the middle class right now — every moderate Senate, House, Governor, and State Legislative candidate running from socialist sanders — sanders praised communist Cuba and the Soviet Union in the 1980s — your turn

Approximately 40 years ago, Bernie praised specific elements of Cuba and the Soviet Union that tended to and ensured the common welfare of their people; I see nothing wrong here.

 

[CMPancake]

There it is! The deflection onto something I never said! :lol:

Oh, could have fooled me after posts like the one below:

Bernie Sanders will never be President of the United States.

This is what you do, CMP. You won't take responsibility for anything you say or do, and instead you point the fingers at someone else.

How are you going about making that conclusion exactly?

Your Bernie-or-bust-ism is pure childishness. And if it multiplies too much, Trump will win another election. Maybe that's what you want. Hard to tell with you. :shrug:

If you know full-well that Bernie's base will not budge or vote for a Democratic nominee that is not Sanders, then it is your moral obligation to vote for Sanders if the most important thing in 2020 is to see Donald Trump defeated. I refuse to vote or support a candidate that will continue to work against the wellbeing of working-class Americans.

I'm trying my best to be civil with you, but I have a feeling that you are taking this civility as passivity. Your transparent attempts of acting superior and smug is not working or fooling anybody.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Wait, am I missing something? I thought Sanders meant that the one with the plurality of delegates deserves the nomination.

Yes, deserves the nomination, which is done in second ballot with the other delegates rallying behind that person. Again, this is perfectly fine according to the rules and actually is what has always happened in the whole history of the party except in an atypical convention with a resignation and an assassination.

The other 5 candidates are all counting on the party defying the popular will and picking someone else in second ballot, other than the person with the most popular votes, which would be a first except for the atypical situation of 1968.

Who is being more democratic, huh? The one who wants the people to speak and decide, or the other five who want party elders to override the will of the people???

 

[Napoleon]

Approximately 40 years ago, Bernie praised elements of Cuba and the Soviet Union that tended to and ensured the common welfare of their people; I see nothing wrong here.

The Soviet Union tossed a minimum of 20 million people into mass graves. Was that in the interest of the common welfare while Bernie was singing their praises?

 

[Linc]

Sorry, you are mischaracterizing it. He knows that the way for the main plurality candidate to be picked is the second ballot. He just advocated for that person to be picked. He didn't say automatically. Of course it will be done by the process. He just said the process should pick the one with the most votes, like the party has almost always done (except for a very unusual 1968 convention).

Good thing I schooled you on the 1968 convention last night, watching you post as if it’s your comment. No mischaracterizing by that poster you quoted. Your word salad said that sanders should win the nomination if he has a plurality.

Another thing you’re unaware of is that 771 superdelegates come in to play on the 2nd ballot. You’re welcome. Besides that, EVERY delegate can be released on the 2nd ballot. Those are OUR rules that BS agreed to.

 

[Court Jester]

You're a Nazi communist. Since you keep telling a lie that Bernie is a "socialist", I guess we can just throw those labels around.

Bernie is a socialist and has said so during his political career. This current use of "democratic socialist" is a moot point and just his way of thwarting the socialist label his FELLOW liberals put on him. What Sanders has always said is that he is NOT an "authoritarian communist".

I think the fact that any politician who needs to qualify their political philosophy by adding "democratic" to his socialist agenda is just a SOCIALIST anyway. Because if you squawk like a duck you ARE a duck.

 

[Surrealistik]

The Soviet Union tossed a minimum of 20 million people into mass graves. Was that in the interest of the common welfare while Bernie was singing their praises?

I don't recall Sanders approving of Stalinist purges or genocides.

Conversely, I do recall Sanders praising programs that endeavoured to provide the basic needs of Soviet citizens.

 

[GreatNews2night]

This is similar to 1968 in that the convention might have to find a majority.

Let's just say that at the convention, Sanders as 40% of the vote, then you have one moderate with 35% and another with 20%. The moderate at the back of the field can get out of the race after March, then say "I endorse this candidate at the convention, I'd like my delegates to vote for them on the second ballot", and that's how Sanders could be over taken.

Warren can do the same for Sanders.

Sure but the best way to unite the party and fight Trump is to have everybody rally behind the one with the biggest plurarity (therefore most popular votes). And it's interesting to notice that this is what has always happened, except in 1868 when two major candidates abruptly left, one through resigning, and the other one through leaving the planet by force of being assassinated. I think we can safely forget about atypical 1968 and say, the Democratic Party has always nominated the candidate with the most popular vote, in line with the very name of the party, and should do it again in 2020 or else the party will fracture and lose miserably to Trump.

 

[3leftsdoo]

On the whole it was a good, satisfying debate, but I definitely took umbrage with the moderators being selective about allocating time to respond, which seemed to favour some candidates over others; they also completely lost control at times. Overall, I stand by my rankings:

1. Warren. (Superb early performance, but she lost steam later on, so I've reduced the spacing; still the clear winner)

2. Sanders.
3. Pete.
4. Biden.


5. Amy. (Had a couple of good moments, and landed some nice blows on Buttgieg but definitely was bloodied overall)











6. Bloomberg. (Utterly devastated)

Spacing intended.

Pretty much.

But I kept waiting for the alien insect inside Pete to emerge like in Men In Black...

 

[Linc]

Approximately 40 years ago, Bernie praised specific elements of Cuba and the Soviet Union that tended to and ensured the common welfare of their people; I see nothing wrong here.

I take back my socialist sanders moniker. It’s going to be communist sanders on trump and RNC ads.

 

[GreatNews2night]

This debate won't affect Nevada. Bloomberg is not in Nevada. And 75,000 have already early-voted in Nevada before this debate. Probably only another 25,000 will show up on Saturday.