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Bloomberg and NeverTrumpers

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I am starting to see more and more personal stories like this about Bloomberg:

reddit said:
Not defending his perspective, but I think I can offer at least some insight into the mind of one Bloomberg supporter I know; my dad.

My dad, through the mid 2000's or so, identified as a republican. But he was definitely on the more moderate side of that spectrum, conservative about economics, but anti-war, pro-environmental protections, and a "leave people alone" mentality on social issues. He doesn't like talking about politics, but he pays attention. He didn't like it when politicians lied or made outrageous claims, but would respect one if they seemed forthright, honest, and didn't treat him like an idiot. He doesn't really pay a lot of attention to political gamesmanship, so things like whether Bloomburg bought his way into the party doesn't really matter to him.

He voted for McCain in 2008, but Obama in 2012. It was during Obama's administration that he really started to sour on the republican party. The more blatantly inaccurate GOP claims became, the more personally insulted he felt. Trump seemed like the culmination of everything he didn't like about the party going into 2016, and so he switched his party affiliation to Dem for the 2016 election, and voted Clinton.

So now you have a man who feels abandoned by the party that used to represent his center-right views, in the Democratic party. And here comes a candidate that seems straight out of that party he used to identify with.

For people like my dad, Bloomburg is the sort of person he'd always have voted for. That isn't to say he'd ONLY vote for Bloomburg (he's essentially in the "anyone but Trump" camp), but if you were to poll him, he'd pick Bloomburg. I don't know how much of his support comes from people that felt abandoned by the GOP, but from my sole, anecdotal example, I can at least kind of see it.
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reddit said:
This sounds a lot like me. I voted for Bush, McCain and Romney but after 2012 I started paying a bit more attention and the GOP was really starting to rub me the wrong way. When Trump came around I basically left the party out of embarrassment and disappointment. I consider myself pretty middle of the road. Fiscally responsible and socially liberal for the most part. Bloomberg matches my political views more closely than any other candidate according to my isidewith quiz (Bloomberg at around 82%, the rest of the democrat field around 60-72%, and DT at 45%).

I don't really care about the money thing. All campaigns are bought. He's just buying it with his own money rather than other people's money.
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reddit said:
This is me too.

I’m a Republican at heart, but not this party. I like Obama, love Hillary. I support social and environmental policies that moderate Democrats like. I didn’t feel strongly about Bush or Kerry, etc. I cannot stomach Trump and thinking about it just makes me irrationally angry. But, I also can’t stand Bernie it Warren. I don’t think their fiscal policies are wise at all. If it’s Trump v Sanders I honestly don’t know what I’ll do.

Bloomberg was a great mayor, he’s smart, he’s not a clown, he actually understands the economy and he has liberal social values. He checks the boxes. I like Buttigieg and Klobuchor too though. I’m just waiting to see who will actually be on the ballot when my state holds primaries.
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This is a perspective among potential voters that had escaped me until now ... so here is the question ... Does Bloomberg (or by some degree, other moderate candidates) have an effective chance of capturing NeverTrumper but otherwise leaning Republican voters? Are there enough of these people to make a difference come election time in Nov?
 
tacomancer said:
I am starting to see more and more personal stories like this about Bloomberg:







This is a perspective among potential voters that had escaped me until now ... so here is the question ... Does Bloomberg (or by some degree, other moderate candidates) have an effective chance of capturing NeverTrumper but otherwise leaning Republican voters? Are there enough of these people to make a difference come election time in Nov?
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Are they real anecdotes or are they part of Bloombergs billion dollar election campaign?
 
Never Trump Republicans should not pick the nominee of the Democratic party.
 
Fletch said:
Are they real anecdotes or are they part of Bloombergs billion dollar election campaign?
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No one is convinced by testimony. It's the sentiment, the idea, that's up for debate. Yes, Bloomberg is the Republican Democrat. I expect all anti Trump Republicans lean Bloomberg in the Democratic primaries.
 
tacomancer said:
I am starting to see more and more personal stories like this about Bloomberg:







This is a perspective among potential voters that had escaped me until now ... so here is the question ... Does Bloomberg (or by some degree, other moderate candidates) have an effective chance of capturing NeverTrumper but otherwise leaning Republican voters? Are there enough of these people to make a difference come election time in Nov?
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I think he could get some NeverTrumpers but would probably lose more NeverBloombergs for it to matter at all.
 
Excast said:
Never Trump Republicans should not pick the nominee of the Democratic party.
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That's not the issue. The issue is how many of them do you want to vote Democrat as opposed to staying home.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think he could get some NeverTrumpers but would probably lose more NeverBloombergs for it to matter at all.
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You're dreaming if you believe any left leaning person is considering standing by and watching Trump win. I don't believe independents will.
 
ecofarm said:
You're dreaming if you believe any left leaning person is considering standing by and watching Trump win.
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I am personally not sure. I was in a Bloomberg campaign office over the weekend (trying to learn about this guy) and the number of antiBloomberg but liberal protesters outside was about 30 in a small college town.

It was an interesting experience with me kind of sampling the air to see what this person I have not studied up on evokes in terms of supporters vs detractors, at least emotionally.
 
ecofarm said:
You're dreaming if you believe any left leaning person is considering standing by and watching Trump win. I don't believe independents will.
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I won't vote for Bloomberg. I think he loses a lot of young people. He might clean up with independents though.
 
MrPeanut said:
I won't vote for Bloomberg. I think he loses a lot of young people. He might clean up with independents though.
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You're a Trumper then.
 
tacomancer said:
I am starting to see more and more personal stories like this about Bloomberg:
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I do see their points, I think Bloomberg will have issues with minority votes. I don’t like how he is trying to buy his way in. I have been saying for years, I hate Citizens United and current campaign finance laws. The system needs changed.

Aside from that, I do care about deficit spending. I care about saving and protecting SSN and Medicare, but I am not sure Bloomberg is. He has the same values as Hillary Clinton. I will vote for him if he gets the nominee, and that’s how I feel about him.
 
tacomancer said:
I am personally not sure. I was in a Bloomberg campaign office over the weekend (trying to learn about this guy) and the number of antiBloomberg but liberal protesters outside was about 30 in a small college town.

It was an interesting experience with me kind of sampling the air to see what this person I have not studied up on evokes in terms of supporters vs detractors, at least emotionally.
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I expect his promise of support to the nominee will make sidelining him easy. I oppose any bs claiming "maybe I wouldn't be able to oppose Trump if..."
 
ecofarm said:
That's not the issue. The issue is how many of them do you want to vote Democrat as opposed to staying home.
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If the only way to appeal to them is by nominating a Bush supporting Republican with a damning history on racial issues, a plethora of nasty remarks directed at women, and a set of values that don't line up with where the Democratic party claims to be....I guess they should stay home and I'll take my chances.

If you sell out everything you claim to stand for in order to win, what is the point?
 
MrPeanut said:
Call it what you want, but if the race is between a republican and a republican I won't vote for either.
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A third party vote is a vote for Trump America. This election transcends party.
 
ecofarm said:
You're dreaming if you believe any left leaning person is considering standing by and watching Trump win. I don't believe independents will.
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I despise Donald Trump. If Michael Bloomberg is the nominee of the Democratic Party I will vote 3rd party for the first time in my life. Trashing the entire Democratic coalition in some bizarre attempt to appeal to Never Trump Republicans is a colossal mistake.
 
ecofarm said:
A third party vote is a vote for Trump America.
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A vote for Bloomberg is a vote to dismantle the democratic party. That matters to me.
 
Excast said:
I despise Donald Trump. If Michael Bloomberg is the nominee of the Democratic Party I will vote 3rd party for the first time in my life. Trashing the entire Democratic coalition in some bizarre attempt to appeal to Never Trump Republicans is a colossal mistake.
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Bloomberg will not be the nominee and you're only making yourself look small. This election is not about party. It's about America.
 
ecofarm said:
A third party vote is a vote for Trump America. This election transcends party.
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No, it's not. The people responsible for Trump are the Trump voters.
 
ecofarm said:
A third party vote is a vote for Trump America. This election transcends party.
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Tell that to the people going out of their way to destroy the man who has caucused with Democrats for decades while they talk up the dude who was cheering Bush during the Iraq war.

If they want the Democratic Party to be Republicans who are a little more polite, maybe they should just go vote for Bill Weld or something.
 
Excast said:
Tell that to the people going out of their way to destroy the man who has caucused with Democrats for decades while they talk up the dude who was cheering Bush during the Iraq war.

If they want the Democratic Party to be Republicans who are a little more polite, maybe they should just go vote for Bill Weld or something.
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#WeldGonnaWeldYa2020
 
Excast said:
Tell that to the people going out of their way to destroy the man who has caucused with Democrats for decades while they talk up the dude who was cheering Bush during the Iraq war.

If they want the Democratic Party to be Republicans who are a little more polite, maybe they should just go vote for Bill Weld or something.
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Maybe Ted Cruz could run Democrat and we Democrats could all rally around left winger Ted Cruz.
 
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