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What's eating america?

bongsaway

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Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.
 
Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.

But... When all the smoke & mirrors are cleared, are we still not left with Illegal aliens?
 
Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.

I doubt that I have that much time, but a 300 word high quality review and a link would have helped!
 
But... When all the smoke & mirrors are cleared, are we still not left with Illegal aliens?

To the best of my knowledge, especially from the religious folks on here, no aliens have ever been discovered. We are alone in space.
 
To the best of my knowledge, especially from the religious folks on here, no aliens have ever been discovered. We are alone in space.

Did they happen to legalize DOPE in your state yet?(LOL)
 
What has that to do with the price of eggs? Am I supposed to be offended by your remark?

My apologies, you're correct

So, lets go back then to my point?
But... When all the smoke & mirrors are cleared, are we still not left with Illegal aliens?
 
Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.



But what of my Aunt who put into our system for lets say 40 years and could not get any help from the Gov when she could not get a job both because of her age and that she could not speak a Spanish?

Now Illegal aliens with kids can get Chip etc....?

help me out here?
 
I doubt that I have that much time, but a 300 word high quality review and a link would have helped!

Of course you have that much time. Even if you recorded it to watch later, you have the time. You should be honest and admit that you aren't open to watch something that might projected a positive argument for immigrants from Mexico, legal or otherwise. You want someone to present you with a 300 word synopsis that you can attempt to destroy without actually grasping the content of a 2 hour special with Andrew Zimmer about American farm workers.

Keep holding onto your narrow-minded, bigoted and uniformed opinions, but don't make lame excuses for intentionally choosing to ignore programming that may enlighten you to some of the racist propaganda Trump and Fox spoon-feed you. If you want truth you have to seek it out for yourself and not ask others to look for it on your behalf, you'll only deny it.
 
Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.

Nope, "the right" (as opposed to "the wrong") knows the difference between legal (controlled) and illegal (uncontrolled) immigration. In our country, which subsidizes its own low wage citizen workers, there is still demand (by low wage job creators) for more of them. If a household can make ends meet with a combination of one member doing low wage work (sometimes part-time) and various "safety net" program benefits then they care little about what precentage of their income is derived from low wage work and that which is added, or made unnecessary by, the various "safety net" programs. Why work a harder (and often further away) construction or agricultural job at $15/hour when working an easier (and often closer to home) fast food or retail sales job at $10/hour yields the same standard of living?

In recent years, though, border security has tightened considerably, a strong economy has driven down unemployment, and many employers, particularly those offering low-paid jobs, say there are few alternatives to hiring workers without legal documents.

A survey conducted in late 2017 by the Associated Contractors of America found that 70 percent of construction companies were having difficulty hiring roofers, bricklayers and electricians, among others. The accommodation and food services sector reported a record number of vacancies this October.

8 Million People Are Working Illegally in the U.S. Here’s Why That’s Unlikely to Change. - The New York Times
 
Of course you have that much time. Even if you recorded it to watch later, you have the time. You should be honest and admit that you aren't open to watch something that might projected a positive argument for immigrants from Mexico, legal or otherwise. You want someone to present you with a 300 word synopsis that you can attempt to destroy without actually grasping the content of a 2 hour special with Andrew Zimmer about American farm workers.

Keep holding onto your narrow-minded, bigoted and uniformed opinions, but don't make lame excuses for intentionally choosing to ignore programming that may enlighten you to some of the racist propaganda Trump and Fox spoon-feed you. If you want truth you have to seek it out for yourself and not ask others to look for it on your behalf, you'll only deny it.

But what of the "Negatives" of the illegal aliens etc...?

Me thinks this Zimmer guy just poo poos the negatives and just goes with the Butterflies & Bullfrogs
 
Andrew Zimmern did a great two hour show on our food chain and immigrant workers. The right knows them as illegal immigrants who bring drugs, death, rape and gangs to america.

This is the picture trump wants his base to see, the reality is vastly different.

I urge republicans to watch the series. What's eating america. Maybe you'll get a different picture than the white guy on the side of the road with the sign reading 'deport them all', whoever them is.

So illegal immigrants bring us cheaper food because they depress wages. No shock there. Why do democrats want to make them even poorer by having a $15 Minimum Wage?
 
But... When all the smoke & mirrors are cleared, are we still not left with Illegal aliens?

Why do you hate depressed wages, a shredded social safety net, higher housing costs & a host of other ills?

:2mad:
 
I doubt that I have that much time, but a 300 word high quality review and a link would have helped!

Seconded.

It sounds like so much empty, heavy-handed, virtue-signaling liberal propaganda, but I'd like to confirm that.

:thumbs:
 
Why do you hate depressed wages, a shredded social safety net, higher housing costs & a host of other ills?

:2mad:


I guess I'm just one of the "Haters" I always hear about(LOL)
 
Seconded.

It sounds like so much empty, heavy-handed, virtue-signaling liberal propaganda, but I'd like to confirm that.

:thumbs:

I have been gone for a long time but when I was here before I was a community booster, and as such I advocated for better quality.

Low quality posting and thinking makes me sad, especially thread starters, I mean COME ON!

Sad and scared.
 
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But what of the "Negatives" of the illegal aliens etc...?

Me thinks this Zimmer guy just poo poos the negatives and just goes with the Butterflies & Bullfrogs

How about some sensible, cohesive immigration reform, huh? How about passing some of the stalled immigration bills in the Senate? How about creating a pathway for DACA immigrants to gain citizenship? Those protected under DACA are possibly the most responsible people living in this country. They are all either working at a legal job or in school gaining degrees in engineering, education, medicine, etc. They pay taxes, yes that's true, the people protected under DACA pay FICA taxes and yet they cannot be part of those programs as far as benefits go. They all obey the law and report to their jurisdictions regularly as ordered. They're possibly the most law-abiding and responsible people in this country and those are exactly the type of people we want in this country. They should have had a pathway to citizenship a decade ago.

The Congressional Research Service has identified 50 bills on immigration in the 116th Congress. Of those, two have been signed into law and one has been voted on in at least one chamber of Congress.

Bills About Immigration | Represent | ProPublica

The right of fellow human beings to seek a better life is one of the most basic parts of human ethics. These are people who feel that uprooting themselves or uprooting their entire family is a necessity to get out of the cycle of poverty. They are effectively refugees.

The biggest "defenders of illegal immigration" are actually in the range of 1% and tend to be Republicans. These are people that want cheap labor but no right to vote. Xenophobia to the degree of denying rights yet not to the degree to actually reducing immigration by any real measurable amount is their goal. Illegal immigration is, in other words, pro-business. I don’t know of anybody who supports illegal immigration.

At one end of the spectrum there are some people who regard them has criminals who should just be arrested and deported, no matter how long they have been here, or whether they have family members who are U.S. citizens, or whether they are productive members of their communities.

At the other end of the spectrum are people like me, who know that most illegal immigrants have come here to make better lives for themselves and their families, and some have fled to escape danger. Some are married to U.S. citizens or people who are here legally. Many have children born in the U.S. Most of them have jobs, in many cases jobs that American citizens do not want. We do not think the solution is to regard all these people as criminals and indiscriminately round them up and deport them. Probably the more illegal immigrants you know personally, the more you move toward this second end of the spectrum.
 
How about some sensible, cohesive immigration reform, huh? How about passing some of the stalled immigration bills in the Senate? How about creating a pathway for DACA immigrants to gain citizenship? Those protected under DACA are possibly the most responsible people living in this country. They are all either working at a legal job or in school gaining degrees in engineering, education, medicine, etc. They pay taxes, yes that's true, the people protected under DACA pay FICA taxes and yet they cannot be part of those programs as far as benefits go. They all obey the law and report to their jurisdictions regularly as ordered. They're possibly the most law-abiding and responsible people in this country and those are exactly the type of people we want in this country. They should have had a pathway to citizenship a decade ago.

The Congressional Research Service has identified 50 bills on immigration in the 116th Congress. Of those, two have been signed into law and one has been voted on in at least one chamber of Congress.

Bills About Immigration | Represent | ProPublica

The right of fellow human beings to seek a better life is one of the most basic parts of human ethics. These are people who feel that uprooting themselves or uprooting their entire family is a necessity to get out of the cycle of poverty. They are effectively refugees.

The biggest "defenders of illegal immigration" are actually in the range of 1% and tend to be Republicans. These are people that want cheap labor but no right to vote. Xenophobia to the degree of denying rights yet not to the degree to actually reducing immigration by any real measurable amount is their goal. Illegal immigration is, in other words, pro-business. I don’t know of anybody who supports illegal immigration.

At one end of the spectrum there are some people who regard them has criminals who should just be arrested and deported, no matter how long they have been here, or whether they have family members who are U.S. citizens, or whether they are productive members of their communities.

At the other end of the spectrum are people like me, who know that most illegal immigrants have come here to make better lives for themselves and their families, and some have fled to escape danger. Some are married to U.S. citizens or people who are here legally. Many have children born in the U.S. Most of them have jobs, in many cases jobs that American citizens do not want. We do not think the solution is to regard all these people as criminals and indiscriminately round them up and deport them. Probably the more illegal immigrants you know personally, the more you move toward this second end of the spectrum.

Some reasonable points, but the truth is that illegals have a disproportionately negative impact on the most vulnerable CITIZENS of our country.

This is not okay.
 
I have been gone for a long time but when I was before I was a community booster, and as such I advocated for better quality.

Low quality posting and thinking makes me sad, especially thread starters, I mean COME ON!

Sad and scared.

I have been gone for a long time

And you have come back with Zen
 
How about some sensible, cohesive immigration reform, huh? How about passing some of the stalled immigration bills in the Senate? How about creating a pathway for DACA immigrants to gain citizenship? Those protected under DACA are possibly the most responsible people living in this country. They are all either working at a legal job or in school gaining degrees in engineering, education, medicine, etc. They pay taxes, yes that's true, the people protected under DACA pay FICA taxes and yet they cannot be part of those programs as far as benefits go. They all obey the law and report to their jurisdictions regularly as ordered. They're possibly the most law-abiding and responsible people in this country and those are exactly the type of people we want in this country. They should have had a pathway to citizenship a decade ago.

The Congressional Research Service has identified 50 bills on immigration in the 116th Congress. Of those, two have been signed into law and one has been voted on in at least one chamber of Congress.

Bills About Immigration | Represent | ProPublica

The right of fellow human beings to seek a better life is one of the most basic parts of human ethics. These are people who feel that uprooting themselves or uprooting their entire family is a necessity to get out of the cycle of poverty. They are effectively refugees.

The biggest "defenders of illegal immigration" are actually in the range of 1% and tend to be Republicans. These are people that want cheap labor but no right to vote. Xenophobia to the degree of denying rights yet not to the degree to actually reducing immigration by any real measurable amount is their goal. Illegal immigration is, in other words, pro-business. I don’t know of anybody who supports illegal immigration.

At one end of the spectrum there are some people who regard them has criminals who should just be arrested and deported, no matter how long they have been here, or whether they have family members who are U.S. citizens, or whether they are productive members of their communities.

At the other end of the spectrum are people like me, who know that most illegal immigrants have come here to make better lives for themselves and their families, and some have fled to escape danger. Some are married to U.S. citizens or people who are here legally. Many have children born in the U.S. Most of them have jobs, in many cases jobs that American citizens do not want. We do not think the solution is to regard all these people as criminals and indiscriminately round them up and deport them. Probably the more illegal immigrants you know personally, the more you move toward this second end of the spectrum.

I'll respond to non- book posts

I got exhausted about 1/4 of the way in reading all of that

*sigh*
 
The leftists make the mistake of thinking you can govern with feeling. You govern based on law. You can do all the individual, personal charity work you want based on FEELINGS. But we dont govern based on feelings.

Its also a bit ironic that people see illegal immigrants struggling and always believe the best way they can help them is to take them AWAY from their ****hole countries.
 
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