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[W:422] So, marriage is destroyed, right?

Loving involved interracial marriage, not gay marriage. All it said is that any man in the state had the same right as any other man to marry the woman of his choice. Similarly, any woman in the state had the same right as any other woman to marry the man of her choice. It did NOT fundamentally alter the definition of marriage as being one man and one woman.

You are assuming that definition. It has been different traditionally in many places, including the US. It used to be legal to be married to more than one person.

When in came to that legal union, at the time, race was as significant as sexual orientation. And since marriage in the US is a secular institution, why would sexual orientation matter anymore than race?

In this country, we correct injustices in discrimination and equality, we dont preserve them based on tradition.
 
1) The 14th Amendment wasn't originally in the U.S. Constitution
2) It was intended mainly to augment and support the 13th amendment which ended slavery.
3) Apply it to a whole ranger of other issues is a gross distortion and misuse of the 14th Amendment.

The 14th doesn't apply to just former slaves and black people. They could have applied it to just former slaves and black people but they didn't.

The equal protection clause is a basic concept of our government.

How is it a gross distortion that it applies to all people? Is there supposed to be a caste system of rights in the US? Are some people more worthy and therefore deserve more rights than others?

If you disagree with the Obergfell v. Hodges decision or LGBT equal rights in all areas, then in 20-30 years what will be the problems that equal LGBT rights create?
 
Loving involved interracial marriage, not gay marriage. All it said is that any man in the state had the same right as any other man to marry the woman of his choice. Similarly, any woman in the state had the same right as any other woman to marry the man of her choice. It did NOT fundamentally alter the definition of marriage as being one man and one woman.

Before the Loving decision, one man could marry one woman, as long as they were of the same race, so you could make the same argument that you do to oppose LGBT marriage equality.

How did Obergfell fundamentally alter marriage any more than allowing interracial marriage altered marriage? What do you believe is the long term problem created by LGBT marriage equality if you disagree with that decision?

How has your life been changed for the worse?
 
If you disagree with the Obergfell v. Hodges decision or LGBT equal rights in all areas, then in 20-30 years what will be the problems that equal LGBT rights create?

Those are not chances I want to take.
 
Then you aren't living in reality. Do straight people not talk about their wives/husbands in public, with their friends, etc.? Do they hold hands with their SO's? Of course they do. That's a normality within society. But when gay people do the same thing, that's just "making gay your whole personality".

Like I said, it's a ridiculous take.

We are still talking about sex lives, right?
 
Well then. That settles it. It must not be happening anywhere, with anybody, if it isn't happening to you and your personal inner circle. :roll:

You sit around and talk about your sexual goings on with your friends? Seems very immature to me.
 
Really? No one in your inner circle introduces their wife (if they are a man) or their husband (if they are a woman)? That by definition is openly talking about their relationship. That's what people like you don't understand. The mere acceptance to introduce a significant other (if you are straight) is looked at as nothing but if a gay person introduces their significant other it is considered "throwing the gay in people's faces" by your ilk.

Again [and not surprisingly] we are talking about sharing your sex lives with other. Not introductions or whether they hate Chinese. SEXUAL activity

I'm starting to think you are all infected with the goofies.
 
You sit around and talk about your sexual goings on with your friends? Seems very immature to me.

^^^ Sounds like a projection: especially with the qualifier attached.
 
Oh my god, no. We were never talking about that. I've made my point quite clear.

Let's just cut to the chase. WCH is passing judgement on your sexuality, as he hides behind his bible. end.......of........story...
 
I won't go back through 42 pages of posts, but didn't you say when asked you kiss your wife in public?

Doesn't matter - going to dinner with her is to announce you are straight. When you go to a show together, and parties together, and do 100 things married couples do together, you're announcing you're a heterosexual couple. I don't know if you're on Facebook, but the few times I go online, my married friends SCREAM that they're a heterosexual couple, with pictures of themselves and their kids together. Same with their Christmas cards - always photos of them with kids or just of the kids. When my wife leaves on a plane, we kiss each other goodbye.

And IME with all my brother's friends, dozens of interactions, street parties, house parties, Thanksgiving, and more, that's how they act. I've never once heard a conversation about gay SEX with them. They are people, who are gay. That's it. They just don't try to HIDE it.

And if some gay people announce it and gay rights are part of their concerns, that's NORMAL. What you take for granted - a baseline of assumed respect as normal citizens, at the core, which bleeds into discrimination at work, etc. - they still don't have, and wanting that is NORMAL, as is fighting for it. We've made immense progress BECAUSE people fought for it, in public. They should be applauded for it, not condemned because you'd rather not know they exist.

You might think discrimination against them is a thing of the past, but that's not true. There's a reason something like 40% of homeless kids are gay and it's because they've been forced from their homes by parents who reject them because they are gay. One friend of ours was so disowned by his parents his mother went through a year long battle with cancer and died, and he found out months after the funeral.

And the best way to make progress is how it's happening with you, to be honest. You have a great friend, and he'd been that for a long time I assume. You find out he's gay, and.....nothing about him changed, but that he's gay. You're to be commended for keeping him as a friend, but what you've learned is being gay is as far as you're concerned not all that big a deal. He's still a great guy, and you welcome him in your life.

Now do that million times, with a million gay people, who have millions of coworkers, family and friends, and you've got a change in society. You can't be bigoted against a guy you KNOW is a really good person, so him being gay becomes a thing, like he's fat or skinny or short. That's how it should be and being open about his sexual preference will do more than any protest for changing minds.

It's all about the incessant, vicious activism with me. I know a lot of it is media and political driven but, not many are talking it back.

Like I said, I will continue to love my fellow humans as much as they allow me to. That being said I feel the need to rebuke sin wherever it may lie.
 
I'm not going to get into a long rehash of stuff that's been posted in here before but, in short, marriage had a long established definition which was a union between a man and a woman. Two men or two women didn't qualify. Society had found that to work perfectly well for a millennium and found no reason to alter it. I similarly saw no reason to alter it. My side lost and we're talking about other issues now. I'm not sure why some people need to dredge up stuff where they've already prevailed.

Rehashing to continue the incrementalism. I asked what was next but, got a bunch of tripe instead.
 
Let's just cut to the chase. WCH is passing judgement on your sexuality, as he hides behind his bible. end.......of........story...

My faith in the Word does not equal judgement. That's reserved for God alone.
 
It's all about the incessant, vicious activism with me. I know a lot of it is media and political driven but, not many are talking it back.

Like I said, I will continue to love my fellow humans as much as they allow me to. That being said I feel the need to rebuke sin wherever it may lie.

The vicious activism of Christians must stop
 
It's all about the incessant, vicious activism with me. I know a lot of it is media and political driven but, not many are talking it back.

Like I said, I will continue to love my fellow humans as much as they allow me to. That being said I feel the need to rebuke sin wherever it may lie.

/// I will continue to love my fellow humans as much as 'they' allow me too. /// Translation: I'll love people on my terms per my religious beliefs; not love other people who love other people on their own terms, who do not embrace the same religious beliefs as I do.
 
/// I will continue to love my fellow humans as much as 'they' allow me too. /// Translation: I'll love people on my terms per my religious beliefs; not love other people who love other people on their own terms, who do not embrace the same religious beliefs as I do.

Your assumptions are pure minutia. You don't know anything about me.
 
My faith in the Word does not equal judgement. That's reserved for God alone.

You just said it yourself. You have 'faith' in a God...Yet you can't prove your God exists, and you still choose to use that 'faith' as a weapon to judge the love of others.
 
Tell me where that's happening.

The push for school.prayet
The fight against abortion
The fight against LGBT rights


Shall I go on?
 
Your assumptions are pure minutia. You don't know anything about me.

/// You don't know anything about me. /// Of course I know something about you. You just stated your religious beliefs teach you that homosexuality is a sin, did you not ?
 
You just said it yourself. You have 'faith' in a God...Yet you can't prove your God exists, and you still choose to use that 'faith' as a weapon to judge the love of others.

This one is dense ^^^^^ and hateful.
 
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