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How do nations of people end up in tyrannical bondage like people in Communist China or North Korea?

BTW - Hitler was very strong on Christian morality with support from the Lutheran Church. He attacked gays and decadence, and was a very strong supporter of the family unit with its clearly defined, traditional gender roles.

Hitler was one mixed up dude. His science was crappy. His religion was crappy. And his government was crappy. It was like he was raised up to lose from the outset.
 
Yeah, the government that allowed people to be bought and sold as slaves, chained up and raped by their owners. The government that locked Japanese American Citizens in camps. And the countless other appalling things so called "Christian" government inflicted on people. Yeah, should be more like that LOL

So easy to refute the stupidity that comes from right wingers

I have to admit that, in spite of claiming to be supporting a Christian nation, many political leaders have proved themselves to be just two feathers shy of moronic barbarians in their everyday views, values, thinking and actions.
 
We should thank God He allowed Christians to escape the tyranny and religious persecution afflicting Europe several hundreds of years ago. America was a fine piece of real estate for God to share between barbarian natives and Christian immigrants.

When one looks at the way those Christians happily slaughtered the Native Americans who saved their lives in the early days of their colony, it’s rather hard to argue that it was the natives who were the “barbarians”.

But then again, that was a pattern repeated over and over and over again.
 
He was inspired by our Indian removal and our eugenics movement.

Hitler was a fool. He rejected God's Bible and took for his own bible the dummass zoologist Madison Grant's racist evolutionist book, The Passing of the Great Race.
 
I am pretty sure that Christian values do not mean letting a 4-year-old recently diagnosed with leukemia just die on the street just because his dad lost his job and has no insurance.

Don't tell me some American did that. Who was he? Bill Gates? Jeff Bezos? Michael Bloomingburger?
 
Tyrants move the general public to adopt measures which destroy freedom and open the door to tyranny. Here are some ways to open the door to tyranny:

1. Convince the general public that Christian values of freedom are not good for a nation.
2. Disarm the public.
3. Criminalize personal wealth and business profits.
4. Advocate for increasing government control of all aspects of life, including how big a drink people can buy or what kinds of food they will be allowed to eat, and so silly forth.
5. Criminalize Christian convictions and Biblical teachings.
6. Jail innocent people and set criminals free.
7. Legalize addictive mind-altering substances and subsidize substance abuse.
8. Legalize and promote sexual immorality, perversion, and decadence.
9. Nationalize private businesses and industries.
10. Replace competition with government regulation.

And more such progressive ideas.

Socialism and communism leads to enslavement to brutal dictatorships like those in China and North Korea.

your threads are so... insane

there should be a separate forum for them so normal folks don't have to view them
 
When one looks at the way those Christians happily slaughtered the Native Americans who saved their lives in the early days of their colony, it’s rather hard to argue that it was the natives who were the “barbarians”.

But then again, that was a pattern repeated over and over and over again.

By "barbarian" I mean only to suggest the native people were ignorant of Christ and Christianity, not that they were stupid or poor warriors.
 
We should thank God He allowed Christians to escape the tyranny and religious persecution afflicting Europe several hundreds of years ago. America was a fine piece of real estate for God to share between barbarian natives and Christian immigrants.

Utter nonsense. The pilgrim fathers "escaped tyrannical Europe" because they wouldn't let them practice their extremism in civilised nations. They fled to America, where they quickly settled in to slashing noses for dancing on the Sabbath, or cutting out tongues for gossip, and genociding the native population. Freedom!
 
I was stationed at Ft. Benning early in my Army career. We never trained terrorists to overthrow the governments of any nation.

No.

You taught tyrants' armies to keep their people in check.

Using terrorism.
 
Here is the published Communist goals for taking over the U.S.. These were actually read into the Congressional Record.
45 Communist Goals For The USA In 1963 - How Many Have Come True?


Let’s take a look at some of these “goals” and see what the hysteria is all about, shall we?

“1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.”

Uh..... considering a nuclear war would kill tens of millions, at least, not wanting to engage in one seems pretty damn preferable to most sane people.

“7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.”

Yes, the idea being to drive a permanent wedge between the USSR and the PRC, who’d been feuding for years. You can call Nixon a lot of things, but a “secret commie” is particularly ridiculous.

“8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N”

Totally irrelevant today, but equally irrelevant in 1963. Nobody was going to accept Germany as united and potentially in the other’s camp, and West and East Germany had already been functioning as independent states for the better part of a decade plus. You might as well complain about North Korea not agreeing to free and fair elections with the South.

“10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.”

This is just silly. Poland remains Poland no matter what political system they adhere to, and deserve a UN spot as a result.

“12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.”

So in other words they want the government to abide by the First Amendment, allowing foreign nationals to continue holding patents, and prevent people from setting up a system where folks might wind up swearing an oath to a man instead of the US, or swearing an oath to a regime which violates the constitution. How horrifying :roll:

“17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks

”19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.”

Considering that in 1963 there were plenty of folks who thought African Americans voting was “communist propaganda” this is particularly meaningless scaremongering, but it’s amusing to see the first hints of paranoia about the student movement and opposition to various brutal regimes which used communism as an excuse to murder huge numbers of their own people whose only crimes were opposing the regime.

“28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.””

First. Amendment. America was never supposed to have religion imposed by the state.

“35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI”

Hmm.....sounds like Donald Trump and his supporters.

“43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.”

Oh look, racism! Even a moderate amount of research shows how pathetically badly the Europeans ran their colonies, and in many cases totally failed to even begin to prepare them for independence. The Belgians are case in point.

“44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.”

Yes.....the Panama Canal.

The rest of the list has just as many problems, but that should tell everyone what kind of stupidity and hysteria you lot are advocating
 
By "barbarian" I mean only to suggest the native people were ignorant of Christ and Christianity, not that they were stupid or poor warriors.

The Europeans were fully aware of Christ yet used him as a justification for mass murder.

Which one sounds more “barbaric” to you? I’ll give you a hint....it’s not the natives.
 
You must be suggesting that it's because Somalia is a ****ed up culture, then.

Actually, I’m outright stating that having lots of guns has nothing to do with stopping tyranny.

Somalia is about as “****ed up”, culturally speaking, as Appalachia is.
 
Tyrants move the general public to adopt measures which destroy freedom and open the door to tyranny. Here are some ways to open the door to tyranny:

1. Convince the general public that Christian values of freedom are not good for a nation.
2. Disarm the public.
3. Criminalize personal wealth and business profits.
4. Advocate for increasing government control of all aspects of life, including how big a drink people can buy or what kinds of food they will be allowed to eat, and so silly forth.
5. Criminalize Christian convictions and Biblical teachings.
6. Jail innocent people and set criminals free.
7. Legalize addictive mind-altering substances and subsidize substance abuse.
8. Legalize and promote sexual immorality, perversion, and decadence.
9. Nationalize private businesses and industries.
10. Replace competition with government regulation.

And more such progressive ideas.

Socialism and communism leads to enslavement to brutal dictatorships like those in China and North Korea.
If we vote for Bernie or any of the Bernie wannabes we will find out first hand. Make America Venezuela

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The Europeans were fully aware of Christ yet used him as a justification for mass murder.

Which one sounds more “barbaric” to you? I’ll give you a hint....it’s not the natives.

I can see why good Christians fled Europe which was infested with fake Christians who hated them and sought to persecute or kill them.
 
I can see why good Christians fled Europe which was infested with fake Christians who hated them and sought to persecute or kill them.

The “good Christians” promptly turned around and persecuted and killed Native Americans.

Over and over and over again.
 
The “good Christians” promptly turned around and persecuted and killed Native Americans.

Over and over and over again.

It is true that when conflicts arose over the God-given rights of settlers on both sides to occupy the land, God did allow them to fight it out between themselves.
 
It is true that when conflicts arose over the God-given rights of settlers on both sides to occupy the land, God did allow them to fight it out between themselves.

Nobody gave the settlers the “right” to murder the folks who saved them.

I can think of more than one commandment that slaughtering people who saved you violates.... to say nothing of doing the same thing over and over again.

Not to mention routinely breaking their word.... over and over again.
 
Tyrants move the general public to adopt measures which destroy freedom and open the door to tyranny. Here are some ways to open the door to tyranny:

1. Convince the general public that Christian values of freedom are not good for a nation.
2. Disarm the public.
3. Criminalize personal wealth and business profits.
4. Advocate for increasing government control of all aspects of life, including how big a drink people can buy or what kinds of food they will be allowed to eat, and so silly forth.
5. Criminalize Christian convictions and Biblical teachings.
6. Jail innocent people and set criminals free.
7. Legalize addictive mind-altering substances and subsidize substance abuse.
8. Legalize and promote sexual immorality, perversion, and decadence.
9. Nationalize private businesses and industries.
10. Replace competition with government regulation.

And more such progressive ideas.

Socialism and communism leads to enslavement to brutal dictatorships like those in China and North Korea.

11. Promise the people free stuff - advanced education, forgiveness of debts, money for being alive
12. Promise the people wages far above the economic value of the position.
13. Criminalize wealth, except of course, for the ruling class.
 
I agree. Hitler's head was filled with bad evolutionist science and racist religion nonsense.

Nothing in science supported his racism. False pseudoscience did.

But thank you for acknowledging that countries don’t have to follow the list you made in the OP in order to become tyrannies.
 
Nobody gave the settlers the “right” to murder the folks who saved them.

I can think of more than one commandment that slaughtering people who saved you violates.... to say nothing of doing the same thing over and over again.

Not to mention routinely breaking their word.... over and over again.

I think maybe you have a warped view of the facts. Not only were European immigrants likely to kill native Americans for wrong reasons so also were native Americans likely to kill Europeans for the wrong reasons. God forbid we should kill immigrants today who come to our America without our permission or approval.
 
Nothing in science supported his racism. False pseudoscience did.

But thank you for acknowledging that countries don’t have to follow the list you made in the OP in order to become tyrannies.

Hitler wrote to well-known and respected racist American evolutionist zoologist Madison Grant and commended him on his book, The Passing of the Great Race, an evolutionist scientific racist diatribe. Hitler called Grant's book of commonly accepted racist evolution fiction science his 'bible.'
 
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