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    It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    After seeing the last few presidents use the DOJ for their own political purposes, I think it is time to make the DOJ into a seperate entity ourside of the Executive Brnch. The DOJ is not under the executive Branch by the constitution, but by laws passed long after the constitution was written. So we could do so and make it under the judicial branch of government where it would be less likely to be used and misused by presidents.

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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    After seeing the last few presidents use the DOJ for their own political purposes, I think it is time to make the DOJ into a seperate entity ourside of the Executive Brnch. The DOJ is not under the executive Branch by the constitution, but by laws passed long after the constitution was written. So we could do so and make it under the judicial branch of government where it would be less likely to be used and misused by presidents.
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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Absolutely no.
    Exactly. Every Banana Republic in the world uses the Justice Department to attack the leader's political enemies. Why should the USA be any different?
    Supporting Trump, but claiming you are against racism...is like eating a Banana Split every day, but claiming you are against ice cream.

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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    After seeing the last few presidents use the DOJ for their own political purposes, I think it is time to make the DOJ into a seperate entity ourside of the Executive Brnch. The DOJ is not under the executive Branch by the constitution, but by laws passed long after the constitution was written. So we could do so and make it under the judicial branch of government where it would be less likely to be used and misused by presidents.
    What could possibly go wrong with the police and prosecution being run by appointed (for life?) folks?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    After seeing the last few presidents use the DOJ for their own political purposes, I think it is time to make the DOJ into a seperate entity ourside of the Executive Brnch. The DOJ is not under the executive Branch by the constitution, but by laws passed long after the constitution was written. So we could do so and make it under the judicial branch of government where it would be less likely to be used and misused by presidents.
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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What could possibly go wrong with the police and prosecution being run by appointed (for life?) folks?
    That is speculation. What's fact is that it's currently being run in the same way a Banana Republic leader would run it.
    Supporting Trump, but claiming you are against racism...is like eating a Banana Split every day, but claiming you are against ice cream.

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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What could possibly go wrong with the police and prosecution being run by appointed (for life?) folks?
    Yea what could possibly wrong. Oiy Vey.
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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    That is speculation. What's fact is that it's currently being run in the same way a Banana Republic leader would run it.
    Who is elected within the federal judicial branch? What is a fact is that some get prison time for lying to the FBI or under oath and others do not. There is certainly a lot wrong with the DOJ, but eliminating its control by elected officials does not appear to fix any of that.
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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Yea what could possibly wrong. Oiy Vey.
    Yep, if we only had a government run by folks appointed for life then things would surely get better.
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    Re: It is time we remove the DOJ from under the Executive Branch of government

    This is one tricky area. On the one hand, in theory the law enforcement has the power to override the will of the people and bring down the elected officials. That power has to be constrained from abuse. On the other hand, that and impeachment are the two main checks on an out of control executive and tyranny, we need to be able to effectively investigate and constrain abuse of power.

    We have no easy answer. The corrupt Senate and the sham trial show how impeachment isn't working. We've tried various 'special investigator' processes; Nixon fired Cox, Republicans abused the process on Clinton, Reagan obstructed the Iran-Contra investigation. Congress abandoned the position, which is why Congress had to investigate trump who blocked them at totally as he could.

    We had established 'norms', where the president was expected to avoid 'the appearance of impropriety' and be very hands-off, despite the fact that he appointed the Attorney General. That sort of worked for decades.

    And then trump has trashed all those 'norms', showing how 'norms' didn't fix a broken president who doesn't care about them. This is a real challenge.

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