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AOC Backtracks On MFA

Moderate Right said:
What the hell is wrong with you? You're so stuck in TDS mode you can't get off the track. Trump and the Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare because Obamacare sucks and form a new plan that will also include pre-existing conditions. Hell, Democrats must even think that Obamacare sucks because they want to get rid of it too.
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The GOP fought like hell against banning pre-existing conditions, then when they failed they fought like hell to bring them back. And they’re still fighting to bring them back right now. In ten years they’ve never suggested a viable alternative. Because they don’t have one.

No one is buying the BS you guys are selling anymore.
 
Moderate Right said:
How do you know he lied about protecting pre-existing conditions? Do you know the future?
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liberals call
changing one's mind after consulting more experts,
evolving in one's opinion and/or
not always articulating things perfectly

lying

rich, huh?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Why hasn't he tried even once to create a new healthcare system? When is he going to start trying, year 8 of his presidency?
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bigger and bigger government is not the answer
 
Moderate Right said:
These people campaigned on MFA and now they’re admitting that even if they win in ain’t happenin. It’s like they’re saying, “Vote for us because we support MFA but don’t expect us to actually deliver”.
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Again, there is no such admission that it isn't happening; there is an important difference and distinction between what is a possibility and what is a certainty.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Why hasn't he tried even once to create a new healthcare system? When is he going to start trying, year 8 of his presidency?
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Obamacare has to be destroyed first, which will force both sides to make a bipartisan plan. I've already explained several times, Trump wants both Republicans and Democrats to come up with a bipartisan plan. It never works if one side "comes up with a plan". If Trump "came up with a plan" Democrats would just shoot it down.
 
Greenbeard said:
The GOP fought like hell against banning pre-existing conditions, then when they failed they fought like hell to bring them back. And they’re still fighting to bring them back right now. In ten years they’ve never suggested a viable alternative. Because they don’t have one.

No one is buying the BS you guys are selling anymore.
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There will never be a viable healthcare plan unless BOTH sides come up with a plan. If only one side comes up with a plan the other side just shoots it down. Therefore, any plan that comes from just one side will never be viable. If I remember correctly, you even agree with that concerning MFA. If Bernie would win the presidency his MFA plan is not a viable plan. He can't even get most of his own side to be for it. Just having a "plan" is not enough. It's merely hurting the environment by using up paper for no reason.
 
Moderate Right said:
Obamacare has to be destroyed first, which will force both sides to make a bipartisan plan. I've already explained several times, Trump wants both Republicans and Democrats to come up with a bipartisan plan. It never works if one side "comes up with a plan". If Trump "came up with a plan" Democrats would just shoot it down.
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So Trump has no plan, no ideas, and no policy objectives, despite telling everybody while campaigning he had THE BEST healthcare plan.

I love how befuddled you are when it comes to talking about Trump's lack of policy substance.
 
Surrealistik said:
Again, there is no such admission that it isn't happening; there is an important difference and distinction between what is a possibility and what is a certainty.
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LOL. You don't even believe AOC when she says it herself. Why do you think she said it?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So Trump has no plan, no ideas, and no policy objectives, despite telling everybody while campaigning he had THE BEST healthcare plan.

I love how befuddled you are when it comes to talking about Trump's lack of policy substance.
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What would be the point of having a plan that the House would never approve of? What's the point of Bernie having a plan that has zero hope of ever becoming law, with even AOC now admitting that MFA couldn't even pass if Bernie were elected president?
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. You don't even believe AOC when she says it herself. Why do you think she said it?
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She didn't say what you think she said. A possibility isn't a certainty. At no point did she say that a Sanders presidency must settle for a public option.
 
Moderate Right said:
That’s just a flat out lie. Trump wants to get rid of Obamacare and have BOTH parties work on a new plan that covers pre-existing conditions.
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It's not a flat out lie. This is an actual legal case and his administration made actual legal arguments. It's a matter of public record.

Getting rid of the ACA brings back the pre-existing conditions problem. Republicans have provably been trying to do that for ten years. The "replace" claim falls flat. They don't have a replacement. The GOP should thank their lucky stars that they never actually managed to repeal the ACA. Repealing it without a replacement would have caused the voters to riot. Probably literally.

Oh, I know, they all swear they want a replacement. Until you can show the American people that replacement, it's just talk. The GOP provably has attempted to bring back pre-existing conditions problems.
 
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Moderate Right said:
What would be the point of having a plan that the House would never approve of? What's the point of Bernie having a plan that has zero hope of ever becoming law, with even AOC now admitting that MFA couldn't even pass if Bernie were elected president?
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So, what, nobody should talk about doing something unless the other party has already agreed to it? I don't understand. You want political candidates to talk about the policies they want to enact, right?
 
Deuce said:
It's not a flat out lie. This is an actual legal case and his administration made actual legal arguments. It's a matter of public record.

Getting rid of the ACA brings back the pre-existing conditions problem. Republicans have provably been trying to do that for ten years. The "replace" claim falls flat. They don't have a replacement. The GOP should thank their lucky stars that they never actually managed to repeal the ACA. Repealing it without a replacement would have caused the voters to riot. Probably literally.

Oh, I know, they all swear they want a replacement. Until you can show the American people that replacement, it's just talk. The GOP provably has attempted to bring back pre-existing conditions problems.
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They are not wanting to get rid of the ACA to to get rid of the pre-existing condition thing. As Trump has said, he is in favor of keeping the pre-existing condition thing in a new bipartisan plan. Yes, the ACA must go and be replaced with a bipartisan plan. A bipartisan plan is the only thing that will work because we've already seen that if one party forces something through that is not bipartisan then they can't expect the other side to help fix the glitches.
 
Deuce said:
So, what, nobody should talk about doing something unless the other party has already agreed to it? I don't understand. You want political candidates to talk about the policies they want to enact, right?
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Of course you don't understand. That is obvious. We need both sides to work together to come up with a plan, not one side. If one side comes up with a plan then the other side rejects that plan. That's why we need both parties to work together to have a bipartisan plan. Of course those on the extremes can't fathom how that works. That's why we are where we are and it won't be any different if any of the Democrats win. Unless both sides swallow their partisanship nothing is going to happen.
 
Moderate Right said:
Of course you don't understand. That is obvious. We need both sides to work together to come up with a plan, not one side. If one side comes up with a plan then the other side rejects that plan. That's why we need both parties to work together to have a bipartisan plan. Of course those on the extremes can't fathom how that works. That's why we are where we are and it won't be any different if any of the Democrats win. Unless both sides swallow their partisanship nothing is going to happen.
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And, this line of criticism: "don't talk about things you know the other party will vote down." Have you leveled this criticism against a Republican.. ever?
 
Deuce said:
And, this line of criticism: "don't talk about things you know the other party will vote down." Have you leveled this criticism against a Republican.. ever?
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I just did!
 
Moderate Right said:
I just did!
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Have you, though? Republicans have attempted to repeal the ACA dozens of times. Did you ever once criticize them for voting for bills they knew Obama would never sign?
 
Deuce said:
Have you, though? Republicans have attempted to repeal the ACA dozens of times. Did you ever once criticize them for voting for bills they knew Obama would never sign?
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Yes. I have.
 
Linc said:
trump blatantly in your face LIED at the SOTU about wanting to protect preexisting conditions while his administration’s in court against doing that.

trump and republicans in the House, Senate, state legislatures and governors continue to try to take health care AWAY from tens of millions of Americans.

trump’s gop budget continues to take away from and sabotage Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

I’m 66, retired, have good insurance and have a good pension. However, it’s perfectly understandable to me why the bottom 99% of this Nation in wealth have great fear over the future of this nation’s health care system.

No matter what ends up in the Democratic platform, I’ll be supporting it given the ‘repeal and don’t replace’ gop platform alternative.
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Yep

The GOP is actually screwing Republicans on this very board (and their children) and they still champion those Republicans.

Their grand kids will hate them.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Yep

The GOP is actually screwing Republicans on this very board (and their children) and they still champion those Republicans.

Their grand kids will hate them.
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You know, I'm over 60 years old now and all of my life I have seen that young people favor Democrats, always have. Hell, I did when I was young. But then those young people grow up and many of them realize that that is not the way. It is naive to think that the young Democrats/progessives/liberals will always feel the same way as they do now and will eventually take over the country.
 
Moderate Right said:
You know, I'm over 60 years old now and all of my life I have seen that young people favor Democrats, always have. Hell, I did when I was young. But then those young people grow up and many of them realize that that is not the way. It is naive to think that the young Democrats/progessives/liberals will always feel the same way as they do now and will eventually take over the country.
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Which is why the country is just as conservative now as it was in 1776.
 
Moderate Right said:
There will never be a viable healthcare plan unless BOTH sides come up with a plan. If only one side comes up with a plan the other side just shoots it down. Therefore, any plan that comes from just one side will never be viable. If I remember correctly, you even agree with that concerning MFA. If Bernie would win the presidency his MFA plan is not a viable plan. He can't even get most of his own side to be for it. Just having a "plan" is not enough. It's merely hurting the environment by using up paper for no reason.
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The ACA is not a "plan," it's been the law of the land for a decade. It's directly responsible for insuring 20+ million people right now and making care more affordable for millions more. It underpins care delivery approaches offering better care to tens of millions of people. Transparent markets, health care workforce developments, public health investments, Medicare and Medicaid reform, cost containment, quality improvement, much of the progress of the last decade and the present moment traces directly back to it. Oh, and it bans pre-existing conditions. Again, not a plan, it's been an essential component of the American health care system for ten years.

And here you want to reverse all of those things, seriously degrading the health system and making life significantly harder for anyone with a health condition, so that maybe we can find some middle ground between "want to improve the health system and ban pre-existing conditions" and "do not want those things."

No thanks. You guys want to bring back pre-existing conditions, take it to the voters.
 
Greenbeard said:
The ACA is not a "plan," it's been the law of the land for a decade. It's directly responsible for insuring 20+ million people right now and making care more affordable for millions more. It underpins care delivery approaches offering better care to tens of millions of people. Transparent markets, health care workforce developments, public health investments, Medicare and Medicaid reform, cost containment, quality improvement, much of the progress of the last decade and the present moment traces directly back to it. Oh, and it bans pre-existing conditions. Again, not a plan, it's been an essential component of the American health care system for ten years.

And here you want to reverse all of those things, seriously degrading the health system and making life significantly harder for anyone with a health condition, so that maybe we can find some middle ground between "want to improve the health system and ban pre-existing conditions" and "do not want those things."

No thanks. You guys want to bring back pre-existing conditions, take it to the voters.
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Everyone understands that we have a major healthcare problem, which includes the current "law of the land", the ACA. No one really disputes that. What we need is for BOTH sides to work together in fixing it (healthcare that is, not specifically the ACA) and it is my belief that Trump is in favor of wiping out what we have, which everyone agrees is not working, which would force both parties to work together to come up with a bipartisan solution because the guns of Americans would be pointed at the back of all of their heads if they sat there and did nothing. I do have to point out however that if courts rule Obamacare unconstitutional (which they kind of already have) it would be because the Dems rammed through a partisan plan arrogantly thinking that they would still be in power to fix any glitches. We will never get anywhere with the left making false accusations that the right are just big evil greedy meanies that want to wipe out Obamacare and do nothing to fix healthcare. You know that that is not the truth and yet you perpetuate this lie for partisan benefit. If we want healthcare fixed it has to be a bipartisan plan because when glitches develop, as they have with the ACA, you can't expect the other party to be on board with fixing the glitches of the other party's partisan plan and I'm talking about both sides.
 
Moderate Right said:
Everyone understands that we have a major healthcare problem, which includes the current "law of the land", the ACA. No one really disputes that. What we need is for BOTH sides to work together in fixing it (healthcare that is, not specifically the ACA) and it is my belief that Trump is in favor of wiping out what we have, which everyone agrees is not working, which would force both parties to work together to come up with a bipartisan solution because the guns of Americans would be pointed at the back of all of their heads if they sat there and did nothing. I do have to point out however that if courts rule Obamacare unconstitutional (which they kind of already have) it would be because the Dems rammed through a partisan plan arrogantly thinking that they would still be in power to fix any glitches. We will never get anywhere with the left making false accusations that the right are just big evil greedy meanies that want to wipe out Obamacare and do nothing to fix healthcare. You know that that is not the truth and yet you perpetuate this lie for partisan benefit. If we want healthcare fixed it has to be a bipartisan plan because when glitches develop, as they have with the ACA, you can't expect the other party to be on board with fixing the glitches of the other party's partisan plan and I'm talking about both sides.
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This is insane. You openly admit the GOP is full of nihilists who will do nothing to lift a finger to make the health system better and yet continue to absurdly insist that breaking the health care system is necessary so that these same people--who again, you've already conceded are nihilists with no interest in improving anything--are forced into constructive action. Great plan.
 
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