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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Of course you don't understand. That is obvious. We need both sides to work together to come up with a plan, not one side. If one side comes up with a plan then the other side rejects that plan. That's why we need both parties to work together to have a bipartisan plan. Of course those on the extremes can't fathom how that works. That's why we are where we are and it won't be any different if any of the Democrats win. Unless both sides swallow their partisanship nothing is going to happen.
    And, this line of criticism: "don't talk about things you know the other party will vote down." Have you leveled this criticism against a Republican.. ever?
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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

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    And, this line of criticism: "don't talk about things you know the other party will vote down." Have you leveled this criticism against a Republican.. ever?
    I just did!

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

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    I just did!
    Have you, though? Republicans have attempted to repeal the ACA dozens of times. Did you ever once criticize them for voting for bills they knew Obama would never sign?
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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Have you, though? Republicans have attempted to repeal the ACA dozens of times. Did you ever once criticize them for voting for bills they knew Obama would never sign?
    Yes. I have.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Linc View Post
    trump blatantly in your face LIED at the SOTU about wanting to protect preexisting conditions while his administration’s in court against doing that.

    trump and republicans in the House, Senate, state legislatures and governors continue to try to take health care AWAY from tens of millions of Americans.

    trump’s gop budget continues to take away from and sabotage Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

    I’m 66, retired, have good insurance and have a good pension. However, it’s perfectly understandable to me why the bottom 99% of this Nation in wealth have great fear over the future of this nation’s health care system.

    No matter what ends up in the Democratic platform, I’ll be supporting it given the ‘repeal and don’t replace’ gop platform alternative.
    Yep

    The GOP is actually screwing Republicans on this very board (and their children) and they still champion those Republicans.

    Their grand kids will hate them.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtInThe View Post
    Yep

    The GOP is actually screwing Republicans on this very board (and their children) and they still champion those Republicans.

    Their grand kids will hate them.
    You know, I'm over 60 years old now and all of my life I have seen that young people favor Democrats, always have. Hell, I did when I was young. But then those young people grow up and many of them realize that that is not the way. It is naive to think that the young Democrats/progessives/liberals will always feel the same way as they do now and will eventually take over the country.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    You know, I'm over 60 years old now and all of my life I have seen that young people favor Democrats, always have. Hell, I did when I was young. But then those young people grow up and many of them realize that that is not the way. It is naive to think that the young Democrats/progessives/liberals will always feel the same way as they do now and will eventually take over the country.
    Which is why the country is just as conservative now as it was in 1776.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    There will never be a viable healthcare plan unless BOTH sides come up with a plan. If only one side comes up with a plan the other side just shoots it down. Therefore, any plan that comes from just one side will never be viable. If I remember correctly, you even agree with that concerning MFA. If Bernie would win the presidency his MFA plan is not a viable plan. He can't even get most of his own side to be for it. Just having a "plan" is not enough. It's merely hurting the environment by using up paper for no reason.
    The ACA is not a "plan," it's been the law of the land for a decade. It's directly responsible for insuring 20+ million people right now and making care more affordable for millions more. It underpins care delivery approaches offering better care to tens of millions of people. Transparent markets, health care workforce developments, public health investments, Medicare and Medicaid reform, cost containment, quality improvement, much of the progress of the last decade and the present moment traces directly back to it. Oh, and it bans pre-existing conditions. Again, not a plan, it's been an essential component of the American health care system for ten years.

    And here you want to reverse all of those things, seriously degrading the health system and making life significantly harder for anyone with a health condition, so that maybe we can find some middle ground between "want to improve the health system and ban pre-existing conditions" and "do not want those things."

    No thanks. You guys want to bring back pre-existing conditions, take it to the voters.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    The ACA is not a "plan," it's been the law of the land for a decade. It's directly responsible for insuring 20+ million people right now and making care more affordable for millions more. It underpins care delivery approaches offering better care to tens of millions of people. Transparent markets, health care workforce developments, public health investments, Medicare and Medicaid reform, cost containment, quality improvement, much of the progress of the last decade and the present moment traces directly back to it. Oh, and it bans pre-existing conditions. Again, not a plan, it's been an essential component of the American health care system for ten years.

    And here you want to reverse all of those things, seriously degrading the health system and making life significantly harder for anyone with a health condition, so that maybe we can find some middle ground between "want to improve the health system and ban pre-existing conditions" and "do not want those things."

    No thanks. You guys want to bring back pre-existing conditions, take it to the voters.
    Everyone understands that we have a major healthcare problem, which includes the current "law of the land", the ACA. No one really disputes that. What we need is for BOTH sides to work together in fixing it (healthcare that is, not specifically the ACA) and it is my belief that Trump is in favor of wiping out what we have, which everyone agrees is not working, which would force both parties to work together to come up with a bipartisan solution because the guns of Americans would be pointed at the back of all of their heads if they sat there and did nothing. I do have to point out however that if courts rule Obamacare unconstitutional (which they kind of already have) it would be because the Dems rammed through a partisan plan arrogantly thinking that they would still be in power to fix any glitches. We will never get anywhere with the left making false accusations that the right are just big evil greedy meanies that want to wipe out Obamacare and do nothing to fix healthcare. You know that that is not the truth and yet you perpetuate this lie for partisan benefit. If we want healthcare fixed it has to be a bipartisan plan because when glitches develop, as they have with the ACA, you can't expect the other party to be on board with fixing the glitches of the other party's partisan plan and I'm talking about both sides.

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    Re: AOC Backtracks On MFA

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Everyone understands that we have a major healthcare problem, which includes the current "law of the land", the ACA. No one really disputes that. What we need is for BOTH sides to work together in fixing it (healthcare that is, not specifically the ACA) and it is my belief that Trump is in favor of wiping out what we have, which everyone agrees is not working, which would force both parties to work together to come up with a bipartisan solution because the guns of Americans would be pointed at the back of all of their heads if they sat there and did nothing. I do have to point out however that if courts rule Obamacare unconstitutional (which they kind of already have) it would be because the Dems rammed through a partisan plan arrogantly thinking that they would still be in power to fix any glitches. We will never get anywhere with the left making false accusations that the right are just big evil greedy meanies that want to wipe out Obamacare and do nothing to fix healthcare. You know that that is not the truth and yet you perpetuate this lie for partisan benefit. If we want healthcare fixed it has to be a bipartisan plan because when glitches develop, as they have with the ACA, you can't expect the other party to be on board with fixing the glitches of the other party's partisan plan and I'm talking about both sides.
    This is insane. You openly admit the GOP is full of nihilists who will do nothing to lift a finger to make the health system better and yet continue to absurdly insist that breaking the health care system is necessary so that these same people--who again, you've already conceded are nihilists with no interest in improving anything--are forced into constructive action. Great plan.

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