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Democrats, If the next election has a massive Trump win....?

Tim the plumber

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I speak from a UK perspective.

If the next election results in a landslide Trump victory with a Berni slaughter at about 30% of the vote, what do you think will have to change if the Democratic party is ever to get back into power?

What do you see as the greatest weakness, electorially, of the Democratic party?
 
I don't think a landslide of that proportion is a realistic possibility for either side barring some massive change in the status quo.
 
Anagram said:
I don't think a landslide of that proportion is a realistic possibility for either side barring some massive change in the status quo.
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Way too much division within politics these days for that to happen. Whoever wins in 2020, it will be close.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I speak from a UK perspective.

If the next election results in a landslide Trump victory with a Berni slaughter at about 30% of the vote, what do you think will have to change if the Democratic party is ever to get back into power?

What do you see as the greatest weakness, electorially, of the Democratic party?
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The democrats don't have any problem. Any one of the candidates could do a better job as president, I don't even care if it was Marianne Williamson. It's not even a matter of the democratic party getting into power. A republican majority is just fine with me as long as the republican members of congress hold onto the powers given to them in the constitution and not hand it all over to the president. Separation of powers and each branch being a check on the other two has worked for 243 years, until now that it. It's no longer the case, there's no separation of powers any longer. We just need leaders that have some integrity and dignity. But see, that's the problem. Finding any integrity in the GOP is as difficult as finding even a few teeth in a chicken.
 
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Anagram said:
I don't think a landslide of that proportion is a realistic possibility for either side barring some massive change in the status quo.
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What happens if it does?

Trump, despite expectations, and mine were very low, has doen very well. The economy is racing away. Black unemployment has plumeted. The message of taking pride in an assertive American identity is very strong and resonant. Nobody cares that he is a narcissistic git. He has won a trade war/remodeled the trade arrangements with China.

All those who thought he would be a complete car crash now knwo he is somehow able to do sensable stuff. The fear is gone. Expect him to win big.
 
HumblePi said:
The democrats don't have any problem. Any one of the candidates could do a better job as president, I don't even care if it was Marianne Williamson. It's not even a matter of the democratic party getting into power. A republican majority is just fine with me as long as the republican members of congress hold onto the powers given to them in the constitution and not hand it all over to the president. Separation of powers and each branch being a check on the other two has worked for 243 years, until now that it. It's no longer the case, there's no separation of powers any longer. We just need leaders that have some integrity and dignity. But see, that's the problem. Finding any integrity in the GOP is as difficult as finding even a few teeth in a chicken.
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I agree but finding competance is easy.
 
Republican gerrymandering, republican purges of voter rolls and other antics to make it harder for folks to vote and the amount of lies the gop leadership tells its base to win.

Like your tax dollars going to build the wall mexico was paying for 100%. Cheaper drug prices. Bigger better cheaper health care for all.

Above all we need to negate the hatred and division trump has turned into an art form.
 
Tim the plumber said:
What happens if it does?

Trump, despite expectations, and mine were very low, has doen very well. The economy is racing away. Black unemployment has plumeted. The message of taking pride in an assertive American identity is very strong and resonant. Nobody cares that he is a narcissistic git. He has won a trade war/remodeled the trade arrangements with China.

All those who thought he would be a complete car crash now knwo he is somehow able to do sensable stuff. The fear is gone. Expect him to win big.
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You’re describing a landslide almost twice as big as Reagan’s in 1984. I’m very comfortable predicting that’s not going to happen.

It’s really unlikely that anything approaching 1984 happens either. Right or wrong, there empirically is a very large percentage of Americans who do not see things the way you describe above. That’s just empirically true. Federal races have never been so polarized.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Ohhh Really?!

After Attending a Trump Rally, I Realized Democrats Are Not Ready For 2020

Maybe you're just grossly out of touch.

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Nothing in that article leads me to believe that a Reagan-esque landslide is possible. Note I’m not saying Trump can’t win or even that he can’t win by somewhat more than 2016. But he’s not going to win by anything close to even 1984 let alone by 30% or with the Democrat getting 30% or whatever the OP meant in the first post. It’s just not going to happen.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I speak from a UK perspective.

If the next election results in a landslide Trump victory with a Berni slaughter at about 30% of the vote, what do you think will have to change if the Democratic party is ever to get back into power?

What do you see as the greatest weakness, electorially, of the Democratic party?
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If Trump wins, it won't be with a landslide victory.

Anyway, if Trump wins, the question will be moot.
 
Anagram said:
You’re describing a landslide almost twice as big as Reagan’s in 1984. I’m very comfortable predicting that’s not going to happen.

It’s really unlikely that anything approaching 1984 happens either. Right or wrong, there empirically is a very large percentage of Americans who do not see things the way you describe above. That’s just empirically true. Federal races have never been so polarized.
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If it happens what do you do?

Do you think that the woke ajenda will win the hearts and minds of the working classes? Or will it put them off like it did in the UK?
 
Tim the plumber said:
If it happens what do you do?

Do you think that the woke ajenda will win the hearts and minds of the working classes? Or will it put them off like it did in the UK?
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The problem with your question is the “if it happens” preamble. A world where something like that happens means circumstances similar to what made Doug Jones win by a sliver in deep red Alabama in 2017. There just isn’t a world without some kind of massive outside shock like that where Democrats (or Trump) lose by that much. Imagining a world like that just doesn’t make sense because it definitively isn’t the one we are living in.
 
Anagram said:
The problem with your question is the “if it happens” preamble. A world where something like that happens means circumstances similar to what made Doug Jones win by a sliver in deep red Alabama in 2017. There just isn’t a world without some kind of massive outside shock like that where Democrats (or Trump) lose by that much. Imagining a world like that just doesn’t make sense because it definitively isn’t the one we are living in.
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While I do like a good hypothetical scenario, I generally prefer that that it hews to a version of reality that's middlingly similar to our own.
 
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