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The New York City bar goes after William Barr

ludin said:
no that is when the news broke the story.
barr had already been looking at it before hand.

it was a good ploy by the media to do it that way but it is as typical a failure.
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So says you. So says Barr. So, we are told to believe it's a "coincidence"? Like all the others? Maybe Trump should quit Tweeting **** like this, so we don't have conflicts like this. But many of us believe it's easier to just throw the whole troublesome lot out, rather than sort through all their bull**** & coincidences.
 
Condor060 said:
Nobody cares what the bias New York State Bar has to say.
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The toady William Barr better care. His license to practice law depends on the New York Bar Association.

No law license, no Justice Department job.
 
independentusa said:
From what I have read they did not recommend 7-9 years to the judge. They pointed out to the judge what the recommended sentencing guidlines were for what Stone was convicted of, which included threatoning a witness. So your entire premise is wrong as usual. And Barr's law license is their business unless you can not understand how law licenses are handed out. If Barr broke the New York's ethical code he can be punished including losing his license, DUH!!!!
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Ohhh. The "New York City Bar" might punish Barr.

I bet that really scares Barr. :roll:
 
And today the Justice Department declined to prosecute Andrew McCabe.

Now yesterday's Barr statements about Trump tweets make more sense. Barr knew this McCabe decision was coming out.

He thought he would try and head Tweety Bird off at the pass.

Trumps orange pumpkin head is gonna explode lol.
 
US&THEM said:
Stone was found guilty because of the evidence, would like the prosecutors to ignore all the charges Stone was found guilty of because you did not take the time to read the sentencing memo?
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Let's not forget this was a jury trial.

Twelve of our fellow Americans like you, I, and Ludin, heard the evidence and unanimously concluded beyond doubt that Stone was guilty of all nine counts. Twelve jurors. Nine counts. All counts unanimously. All jurors unanimous. Then comes Trump ...
 
Rogue Valley said:
And today the Justice Department declined to prosecute Andrew McCabe.

Now yesterday's Barr statements about Trump tweets make more sense. Barr knew this McCabe decision was coming out.

He thought he would try and head Tweety Bird off at the pass.

Trumps orange pumpkin head is gonna explode lol.
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I wasn't aware of this. Yeah, interesting point.
 
Mycroft said:
Nonsense.

The attorneys told their superiors they were going to do one thing...and then they did another thing. That means they lied to their superiors.

Doesn't that bother you? Or do you approve of government employees lying to their superiors?
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I am having a discussion with the facts and the understanding for what occurs with the sentencing guidelines. The pre-trial aka probation also utilized the federal sentencing guidelines and drafted the same amount of time.

No one lied. But you need to believe that to once again stay with Trump.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If a Democratic AG insists a 70 year old man with no violent history should get 9 years in prison I will not care.
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The sentence guidlines that were probably written by the GOP call for 7-9 years and that is what the DOJ lawyers pointed out to the judge. It is due to Stone making threats to one of the witnesses, otherwise the sentence guidlines would have been around 3 years. And in the end the judge will decide what sentences are handed out to Stone.
 
Mycroft said:
Ohhh. The "New York City Bar" might punish Barr.

I bet that really scares Barr. :roll:
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First the AG has to have a license to practice law. It is a requirement. And he would not longer be able to practice law once he leaves the government.
 
Rogue Valley said:
And today the Justice Department declined to prosecute Andrew McCabe.

Now yesterday's Barr statements about Trump tweets make more sense. Barr knew this McCabe decision was coming out.

He thought he would try and head Tweety Bird off at the pass.

Trumps orange pumpkin head is gonna explode lol.
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Even though we know McCabe has committed multiple crimes. So once again the deep state has struck and we need to purge the DoJ.
 
ludin said:
and there is you not understanding our constitution again.
if you actually understand the facts of the case barr was doing this before the president said anything.

the prosecutors lied to the DOJ in from their original recommendations.
it is the same reason that these mueller clowns now have to do with paige reversing his guilty plea.

they tried to pull the same stunt.

the mueller clowns are about on par with schiff then again they are pretty much all democrats
so it is expected.
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DO you make this **** up on your own, or do you have a source for it?
 
Mycroft said:
Nonsense.

The attorneys told their superiors they were going to do one thing...and then they did another thing. That means they lied to their superiors.

Doesn't that bother you? Or do you approve of government employees lying to their superiors?
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Who lied and what's your evidence?

The Barr-appointed U.S. attorney for D.C. signed the sentencing memo. Is he not the line prosecutors' superior? In fact those decisions are designed to go through the appropriate U.S. attorney, and that happened in this case. So who lied and to whom, given the boss of the line prosecutors signed the sentencing memo?

I understand that Barr can overrule the U.S. attorney any time he wants, but you're asserting these career prosecutors lied, which is quite different and FAR more serious a claim than they disagreed with Barr's decision. So you'll need to present evidence about who lied and to whom they told these deliberate falsehoods given their BOSS signed the memo.
 
Mycroft said:
I want to know why Federal Attorneys lied to their superiors. Don't you?
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Well naturally, but for those of us catching up could you substantiate that? Where is the actual lie?

If I'm understanding, they told their bosses what they would be recommending in advance, and then recommended something different?

If that's accurate, then we'll need to see the communications in whatever form where they told their bosses what they would be recommending. Do we have that?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Even though we know McCabe has committed multiple crimes. So once again the deep state has struck and we need to purge the DoJ.
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Apparently you are wrong. Once again the GOP has had us pay for an investigatiion that has gone no where. And the so called Deep state is now run by Barr, who had to sign off on this decision. So your message is just wrong, but Trumpsters only believe what trump tells them so believe what you want.
 
WillyPete said:
Well naturally, but for those of us catching up could you substantiate that? Where is the actual lie?

If I'm understanding, they told their bosses what they would be recommending in advance, and then recommended something different?

If that's accurate, then we'll need to see the communications in whatever form where they told their bosses what they would be recommending. Do we have that?
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There are anonymous quotes in various outlets from unnamed DoJ sources that make this claim, but the key fact is the U.S. attorney for D.C. signed the sentencing memo. Since he's quite literally the prosecutors' boss in this case, it's impossible to imagine how anyone can conclude the career prosecutors somehow lied to their boss through a memo the boss signed himself and submitted under his name to the court.
 
independentusa said:
Apparently you are wrong. Once again the GOP has had us pay for an investigatiion that has gone no where. And the so called Deep state is now run by Barr, who had to sign off on this decision. So your message is just wrong, but Trumpsters only believe what trump tells them so believe what you want.
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We know the facts, we know McCabe lied to the FBI about leaking materials to hurt Trump. There is no doubt to his guilt, just like we know Hillary committed many crimes, her guilt is not in doubt.
 
WillyPete said:
Well naturally, but for those of us catching up could you substantiate that? Where is the actual lie?

If I'm understanding, they told their bosses what they would be recommending in advance, and then recommended something different?

If that's accurate, then we'll need to see the communications in whatever form where they told their bosses what they would be recommending. Do we have that?
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They gave the judge the recommended sentencing guidlines for the crimes Stone was convicted for, which was 7-9 years. That was due to Stone being convicted of theatening a witness, which increases the guidlines. No one has a problem with that until trump tweeted and gave Barr his marching orders to lower the recommendations. Trump wants him on probation and nothing more. Trump does not want to pardon any of his cronies until after the election so the Dems can not use the pardons against him.
 
JasperL said:
There are anonymous quotes in various outlets from unnamed DoJ sources that make this claim, but the key fact is the U.S. attorney for D.C. signed the sentencing memo. Since he's quite literally the prosecutors' boss in this case, it's impossible to imagine how anyone can conclude the career prosecutors somehow lied to their boss through a memo the boss signed himself and submitted under his name to the court.
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Sounds about right, but I'm trying to see where these confident assertions are coming from.

@Mycroft, surely the above isn't the lie you are referencing and presenting as undeniable? I'm pretty sure 1960's vintage AIs aren't allowed to lie...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
We know the facts, we know McCabe lied to the FBI about leaking materials to hurt Trump. There is no doubt to his guilt, just like we know Hillary committed many crimes, her guilt is not in doubt.
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Prove it on both. You are siaying something you want to be facts but they are not facts and you saying they are does not make them so. If McCabe was guilty Barr would have done what trump wanted and jailed him. Barr tried, but could not find any offense that McCabe could be indicted for and that just pisses you off. Too damn bad. And they investigated Hillary for 8 years and got nothing, but cost us tax payers millions. Anotherwaste, they shoud have charged the GOP for the cost.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump hasn't gotten involved in Stone's case.

Trump didn't try to get Stone's sentence reduced.

Why are you making **** up? Why are you attacking me?

Oh...never mind.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
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Gosh, you were unable to counter the fact of Trump tweeting about that case, just before they reduced the sentence they request, an unappreciated move by the way. Do you have anything aside from the argument from assertion that is ignoring facts?

Dismissed
 
ludin said:
that was the witness tampering.
Barr is in the right on this.

He didn't fix any US election there was 0 evidence of voter fraud remember?
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Obvious evidence of attempted voter fraud in all fifty states,by Russia with trumps knowledge.

Millions of dollars spent on illegal propaganda by Russia with trumps knowledge and assistance.

That weak ass argument that no one can prove that they effected the election makes candidates that advertise idiots.

Please trump won by 76000 votes In three states that he told Russia to target by handing them internal data and telling what they needed.

Trump is America's first illegitimate president ever...
 
RAMOSS said:
Gosh, you were unable to counter the fact of Trump tweeting about that case, just before they reduced the sentence they request, an unappreciated move by the way. Do you have anything aside from the argument from assertion that is ignoring facts?
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If "coincidence" is really the line they're going with on this, then they must be just about exhausted with defending Trump.

No one buys that ****. It only makes sense if you wink at the end.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
We know the facts, we know McCabe lied to the FBI about leaking materials to hurt Trump. There is no doubt to his guilt, just like we know Hillary committed many crimes, her guilt is not in doubt.
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That's not actually true. The leaks were about an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. McCabe allegedly lied about who the source for the story was, and the article was pushing back on the idea McCabe ordered it shut down, when he says he had a discussion directly opposite - that he opposed shutting down a valid investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

It's all here if you're interested. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/do...d=lk_inline_manual_18&tid=lk_inline_manual_18
 
Mycroft said:
Cool. Let's do this. Then those four attorneys can explain to the public and to the DOJ IG why they lied to their superiors about what sentence they intended to recommend to the court.

After all that is done, we can see if the New York City Bar will have the honesty to take those attorneys to task for THEIR dishonesty.

On the other hand, perhaps the New York City Bar should just mind their own business.
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LOL! Fun to watch you so desperate that you repeat the lie that they actually lied to their superiors.
 
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