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Logical1

Logical1

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At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
 
Logical1 said:
At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
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yes, liberalism is now a mental disorder
 
Logical1 said:
At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
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I guess you're saying transgender should be banned from competing in publicly funded sports of gender with which they identify. If so, in what way can they be involved in school sport competition, or are you saying they should be outright banned?
 
bluesmoke said:
I guess you're saying transgender should be banned from competing in publicly funded sports of gender with which they identify. If so, in what way can they be involved in school sport competition, or are you saying they should be outright banned?
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Well, we know one thing for sure

Men that turned into Women should NOT compete with Women
 
Sick of the right's bigotry, and so not interested in what they have to say.

Having said that, I think sport competitions are a legitimate issue to have to address regarding transgender people. I'm not saying what the solution should be, but I can imagine it introduces unfairness. A separate category would be an option, but the low number of transgender people makes that difficult. My first stop would be to ask relevant, informed people their opinions.
 
bluesmoke said:
I guess you're saying transgender should be banned from competing in publicly funded sports of gender with which they identify. If so, in what way can they be involved in school sport competition, or are you saying they should be outright banned?
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Men's league. Women's league. Confused league.

There. That should just about cover it.
 
Such a shame that conservative groups are using this to further nefarious agendas. It really taints what otherwise would be a good faith, open discussion. It also leads to labeling anyone who takes issue with what is happening in sport as a transphobic, far right, bigot. An easy way to stifle open discussion.
 
Logical1 said:
At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
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The "men" in question are transgender teenagers, so let's not get carried away.

Biological differences always play a role in sports. Kenyans dominate the marathon. Tall boys and men have an advantage in basketball. Boxing and wrestling have divisions based on weight. What to do about a rising population of transgender females in male sports is an obvious problem if they have built in superiority. But do they? Your sample here is too small. And if the sample turns oui to be representative, what exactly does it represent. If it only means that the average transgender athlete is better than the average non-transgender athlete but not better than highly skilled non-trangenders then I think the answer should be, let them play.
 
JackA said:
The "men" in question are transgender teenagers, so let's not get carried away.

Biological differences always play a role in sports. Kenyans dominate the marathon. Tall boys and men have an advantage in basketball. Boxing and wrestling have divisions based on weight. What to do about a rising population of transgender females in male sports is an obvious problem if they have built in superiority. But do they? Your sample here is too small. And if the sample turns oui to be representative, what exactly does it represent. If it only means that the average transgender athlete is better than the average non-transgender athlete but not better than highly skilled non-trangenders then I think the answer should be, let them play.
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One can determine gender based on the skeleton alone. Since bone structure and internal organ (heart/lungs) size differ between males and females, that is precisely why there are "separate but equal" gender classifications for athletes in the first place. Changing the label assigned to a person's gender does not alter their skeleton or internal organs.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
One can determine gender based on the skeleton alone. Since bone structure and internal organ (heart/lungs) size differ between males and females, that is precisely why there are "separate but equal" gender classifications for athletes in the first place. Changing the label assigned to a person's gender does not alter their skeleton or internal organs.
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Yes, and probably explains why the average transgender athlete performs better than the average non transgender athlete, assuming that's the case. But bone structure and heart/lung size also very between members of the same gender, creating unequal advantages as well. Such is life. Question is will we ever be able to accept transgenders with that same philosophy.
 
JackA said:
Yes, and probably explains why the average transgender athlete performs better than the average non transgender athlete, assuming that's the case. But bone structure and heart/lung size also very between members of the same gender, creating unequal advantages as well. Such is life. Question is will we ever be able to accept transgenders with that same philosophy.
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If there are four (or more) genders then we should have four (or more) "separate but equal" gender specific sports leagues. If we are to accept that gender can be "self declared" then we should have one "any gender" sports league.
 
bluesmoke said:
I guess you're saying transgender should be banned from competing in publicly funded sports of gender with which they identify. If so, in what way can they be involved in school sport competition, or are you saying they should be outright banned?
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I say they can compete against other transgenders. Problem solved.
 
Logical1 said:
At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
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From what I've seen of your posts, you're not exactly one to be casting stones about being anti-woman.

Logical1 said:
The hate filled old bag Hillary is now calling for China to hack into the President's tax records. Have you EVER seen anyone in politics keep whining and holding a grudge as long as this old bitch has?

If China really wanted to do the American people a favor they should hack into the Clinton's finances, and see how they accrued 100 million dollars from politics.

Remember it was old Harry Truman that said------------------anyone that becomes rich in politics is a crook!!!!!!!!!!!
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Logical1 said:
Tell me the old bitch doesnt absolutely hate him because the country is doing so well under President Trump. The better the country does the bigger her hate.
She is just plain hate filled and nasty!!!!
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Logical1 said:
When you look at what democrats have announced they are running for president in 2020, you really have to kind of pity the democrat party. Look who is running.

The leader right now is a burned out senile old fool that is prone to more and more gaffes.

Probably the second is another old woman that was delusional and tried to call herself an indian for years.

Next is a woman that anyway you cut it is a whore, that slept her way up in politics.

And lastly there is a whole bunch of unknown radical leftist with hair brained ideas that cant ever fly. Their ideas would totally destroy the country.

Prove me wrong.
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Logical1 said:
Why would any intelligent person listen to some Hollywood whore?
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Luther said:
Well, we know one thing for sure

Men that turned into Women should NOT compete with Women
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We also know you didn't answer the questions pertinent to the topic. You'd rather just jump-up on your soap box long enough what you think shouldn't be then run away rather than have to debate your point and defend your position in front of this debate forum.
 
Mycroft said:
Men's league. Women's league. Confused league.

There. That should just about cover it.
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Which makes as much sense as combining the existing men's and women's league and you would still have the same alleged one-sided "unfair" competitive problem. Your suggestion is not a solution, not something better than what is being challenged in this case.
 
Luther said:
My favorite is States(Tax payers) paying for sex change operations for prisoners(LOL)

Oh my......

California Is First to Pay for Prisoner’s Sex-Reassignment Surgery - The New York Times
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Quite right. If those prisoners want medical care then they should pay for it themselves. Not only that, but they should have to pay rent on their accommodations, and they should have to pay for their own clothes, and they should have to pay for their own food.

Oh sure, some whining lefties are going to whine their usual whining leftie complaints when they whine that the prisoners don't have the money to pay for their own food, but those whining lefties want you to forget that the prisoners that they are whining about CHOSE to commit crimes and it isn't the fault of every other person in the country that the CONSEQUENCES of that CHOICE aren't what the whining lefties are whining about (when they aren't whining their usual whining leftie whine about their so-called "**F*R*E*E*D*O*M** **O*F** **C*H*O*I*C*E**").

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If there are four (or more) genders then we should have four (or more) "separate but equal" gender specific sports leagues. If we are to accept that gender can be "self declared" then we should have one "any gender" sports league.
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I'm not sure if you were actually being serious, but having "Non-transgender Male", "Non-transgender Female", "Transgender Male", and "Transgender Female" competition categories is not necessarily a bad thing IF the only thing you are concerned about is "athletic records". An alternative would be to require them to compete in their "original gender" categories but that means that a whole lot of currently banned "performance enhancing" substances would have to be allowed due to the validly established medical need for the transgender person to take those substances.

On the other hand, having those separate categories isn't going to help society to integrate a category of persons who simply did not exist (because of the lack of appropriate medical procedures) 40 years ago - is it?
 
Paradoxical said:
I say they can compete against other transgenders. Problem solved.
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You mean transgender male to female against the same and vice-versa? That would be designed to fail on its face for lack of numbers. It's not even "separate but equal". What would the gender be for Title IX, where equal opportunity to federal funds is guaranteed? No, problem not solved.
 
bluesmoke said:
I guess you're saying transgender should be banned from competing in publicly funded sports of gender with which they identify. If so, in what way can they be involved in school sport competition, or are you saying they should be outright banned?
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Compete in the gender of their birth.
 
Remember the Olympics do not allow this.
 
Logical1 said:
At last in Conn three families are suing to prevent biological males from competing in women's sports. It is totally anti woman.

Being bigger and stronger these men are winning all the first place medals. It is cheating girls and women out of scholarships and medals!!!
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The problem is it is very difficult to define gender exclusively. One can have the right genitalia but still present as bigger and stronger because they have high testosterone levels. They may not even be transgender but simply out of the norm (or cheating). Genetic tests can present as mixed sex. It is not as simple a question as it may seem.
 
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