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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    No viable case has been made in the Court that she would effect the jury in any way and Stone's attorney's could have knocked her out in jury selection and didn't. Stone will not get a new trial and does not deserve one. He can appeal the decision in the Appellate if he wants to do so.
    Neither has a viable case been made that she would NOT allow her strong emotional feelings sway her vote. She was a lawyer and is therefore persuasive with laymen.

    With Trump in the WH, Stone won't need to appeal his case.

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Neither has a viable case been made that she would NOT allow her strong emotional feelings sway her vote. She was a lawyer and is therefore persuasive with laymen.

    With Trump in the WH, Stone won't need to appeal his case.
    SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO. Since your fallback is that Trumpkin will pardon him, what are you worried about...that Trumpkins pardon will end up having political consequences for him?

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO. Since your fallback is that Trumpkin will pardon him, what are you worried about...that Trumpkins pardon will end up having political consequences for him?
    I'm not worried about anything. I have no dog in the fight sir. I couldn't care less what happens to Stone.

    I am merely discussing the case, specifically the admitted bias of the foreperson.

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well, I've seen some opponents of Trump cite Judge Napolitano as being "fair and impartial" when he's made comments in opposition to Trump.

    Now this:



    For those of you wondering who this jury member is, and what they are talking about, here is a story about her:

    Tomeka Hart: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

    Then here is a source for her "tweets":

    https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A...rc=typed_query

    Clearly a history of anti-Trump "opinion."

    Now she served as the jury Foreman during Stone's trial, and she is also an attorney. That means she had a lot of influence on the direction that jury would take, with additional "credibility" when commenting on legal opinion/interpretation.

    I agree that Stone has a good case for a retrial.
    But wouldn't just having all pro-Trump jury also be considered biased? Did anyone check to see if anyone on the jury had pro-Trump views?

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I would love to find out some of those multitude of cases in which a GJ has refused to indict. Is there any source for that?

    Full disclosure: because of my association with FIJA, I am aware of one such case in Arizona in the last few years. Otherwise, given the great secrecy in our system, I am not aware of others. Prime examples are the situations with Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning.
    Because of the secrecy of the grand jury processes, a generalized collection is precluded. We mostly learn anecdotally about it from leaks to the press. It would be an interesting study. I think there was a recent Supreme Court case that touched on that, but I can't recall the details off the top of my head.

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    Because of the secrecy of the grand jury processes, a generalized collection is precluded. We mostly learn anecdotally about it from leaks to the press. It would be an interesting study. I think there was a recent Supreme Court case that touched on that, but I can't recall the details off the top of my head.
    Yes, it would be a most interesting study.

    The case from Arizona mentioned by FIJA was something like "The Rebellious ____" with the blank being the number assigned to the GJ. The 269th or something like that.

    It turned out an actual attorney was called for the duty, and showed up for the duration. Much to the frustration of the prosecutor, the GJ refused to indict on a number of petty drug cases, literally minute amounts.

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Well, I was thinking that Stone had been screwed and deserved a fair trial. With Napolitano saying it is so, Maybe I was wrong.

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Neither has a viable case been made that she would NOT allow her strong emotional feelings sway her vote. She was a lawyer and is therefore persuasive with laymen.

    With Trump in the WH, Stone won't need to appeal his case.
    While your last point is clearly true, I think we're allowing the creation of a tempest in a teapot. As several of us have pointed out, there is a process for adjudicating this issue, and it will play out there.

    In general, I agree with the sentiment that a fair trial mandates an unbiased jury. A single juror can taint a jury. But, that is what judges and processes are for. 40 of the 120 potential jurors were excused, some for cause, some peremptorily. That indicates the process was working. If, for strategic or other reasons, Stone's attorneys didn't object, that issue is waived. I suspect that it's ultimately how it comes out in the wash (before the pardon).

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    Re: Napolitano explains why Roger Stone is 'absolutely entitled' to a new trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbyoung View Post
    Yes, Trump is interfering with the DOJ. That will not be permitted.
    Wrong as usual.

    Again.
    The President has not interfered with the DOJ.





    Quote Originally Posted by Royal PITA View Post
    Bill Barr admits he did.
    Untrue.
    Barr stated he did not.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
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