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    Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Liberal think 'the system' is 'rigged' against the little guy.They believer that the rich guy made his money off the backs of the little guy. Thus they believe it morally just to take money from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy.

    Conservatives know human nature. The fact of lige are conservative. If you are going to take money form the rich guy, he will be disincentivized to work harder.
    IF you just give money to the little guy-why should he bust his ass trying ?

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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Liberal think 'the system' is 'rigged' against the little guy.They believer that the rich guy made his money off the backs of the little guy. Thus they believe it morally just to take money from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy.

    Conservatives know human nature. The fact of lige are conservative. If you are going to take money form the rich guy, he will be disincentivized to work harder.
    IF you just give money to the little guy-why should he bust his ass trying ?

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    Every word in that is wrong. When you start out by telling other people what they believe, you post is going to be hilariously bad, as yours is.
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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Liberal think 'the system' is 'rigged' against the little guy.They believer that the rich guy made his money off the backs of the little guy. Thus they believe it morally just to take money from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy.

    Conservatives know human nature. The fact of lige are conservative. If you are going to take money form the rich guy, he will be disincentivized to work harder.
    IF you just give money to the little guy-why should he bust his ass trying ?

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    In a broad generalization this is correct.
    although not too highly accurate.

    Liberals honestly feel that the guy that invests his money into a business isn't doing any of the work. This is their main starting point. They honestly do feel that the workers
    should make a larger percentage of the profit. They do not see why the CEO makes 100m while the guy that pushes the broom makes 30k. They honestly don't care
    to them the guy pushing the broom is doing more work than the CEO and the CEO doesn't deserve 100m.

    Conservatives are a bit different. This is me of course. I do not care what the CEO makes. There can only be 1 CEO and as long as he is doing his job well and making the company money
    and not running it into the ground then he deserves his salary. I personally do not believe in these golden parachutes these CEO's get when they bomb out. As far as pay goes.
    I tend to fall more in the middle. As a company owner grows he should get more of the profit and pay than the other people. He invested his time and effort into the company he should
    get something and more of something out of it. By the same right he also should treat his employee's in a fair manner. As a caveat i will say i am talking about skilled labor jobs.
    if you are unskilled then you have little leverage to get more out of company owner.

    The biggest issue that we have in america and why companies are the way they are is this. fudiciary duty.
    this is the biggest inhibitor of companies in america.

    Under the U.S. legal system, a fiduciary duty is a legal term describing the relationship between two parties that obligates one to act solely in the interest of the other. The party designated as the fiduciary owes the legal duty to a principal, and strict care is taken to ensure no conflict of interest arises between the fiduciary and his principal.

    Basically if you are a stock holder in a company the company is required by law to do the best it can to earn you the most profit.
    It is why companies have to pay dividends etc ... if the stock holders want to see a 3% increase in the stock price then the company
    is obligated to do so. If that means canceling raises for a year to get that extra .5% then that is what it means.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Liberal think 'the system' is 'rigged' against the little guy.They believer that the rich guy made his money off the backs of the little guy. Thus they believe it morally just to take money from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy.

    Conservatives know human nature. The fact of lige are conservative. If you are going to take money form the rich guy, he will be disincentivized to work harder.
    IF you just give money to the little guy-why should he bust his ass trying ?

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    I worked hard for many many years and yet was never paid millions a year to run a company. I had no one to put me into the I made it club because of the people I hobnobbed with. It's not what you know it's who you know that allows one to become wealthy and live in the one percent and people in the one percent have advantages that many people do not.
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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    In a broad generalization this is correct.
    although not too highly accurate.

    Liberals honestly feel that the guy that invests his money into a business isn't doing any of the work. This is their main starting point. They honestly do feel that the workers
    should make a larger percentage of the profit. They do not see why the CEO makes 100m while the guy that pushes the broom makes 30k. They honestly don't care
    to them the guy pushing the broom is doing more work than the CEO and the CEO doesn't deserve 100m.

    Conservatives are a bit different. This is me of course. I do not care what the CEO makes. There can only be 1 CEO and as long as he is doing his job well and making the company money
    and not running it into the ground then he deserves his salary. I personally do not believe in these golden parachutes these CEO's get when they bomb out. As far as pay goes.
    I tend to fall more in the middle. As a company owner grows he should get more of the profit and pay than the other people. He invested his time and effort into the company he should
    get something and more of something out of it. By the same right he also should treat his employee's in a fair manner. As a caveat i will say i am talking about skilled labor jobs.
    if you are unskilled then you have little leverage to get more out of company owner.

    The biggest issue that we have in america and why companies are the way they are is this. fudiciary duty.
    this is the biggest inhibitor of companies in america.

    Under the U.S. legal system, a fiduciary duty is a legal term describing the relationship between two parties that obligates one to act solely in the interest of the other. The party designated as the fiduciary owes the legal duty to a principal, and strict care is taken to ensure no conflict of interest arises between the fiduciary and his principal.

    Basically if you are a stock holder in a company the company is required by law to do the best it can to earn you the most profit.
    It is why companies have to pay dividends etc ... if the stock holders want to see a 3% increase in the stock price then the company
    is obligated to do so. If that means canceling raises for a year to get that extra .5% then that is what it means.
    You still have no idea how liberals think along with the OP...
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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Every word in that is wrong. When you start out by telling other people what they believe, you post is going to be hilariously bad, as yours is.
    I agree, he should have put in "most" then I would reluctantly agree with the OP. It is human nature…

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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Liberal think 'the system' is 'rigged' against the little guy.They believer that the rich guy made his money off the backs of the little guy. Thus they believe it morally just to take money from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy.

    Conservatives know human nature. The fact of lige are conservative. If you are going to take money form the rich guy, he will be disincentivized to work harder.
    IF you just give money to the little guy-why should he bust his ass trying ?

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    Think? It is rigged. I asked my boss for a raise, he said he couldn't give me one he had to pay for his new boat. Our whole system is rigged in favor of the rich.

    Your statement reminds me of the old commercial business tried to push off on its workers. How to do more with less. It's always those on top who want more from their workers while giving less to them. Ever notice how many rich people do their best to rip off the system. Money offshore, tax shelters, cheating on their taxes and overcharging for almost everything.

    Eighty percent of us work for the twenty percent and will be wage slaves all of our lives. I don't have a rich daddy to give me millions to start a business or pay my way into a good college.

    If you think the system isn't rigged for the rich you need another look.
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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Liberals know that most people are just a few bad months away from bankruptcy.

    Conservatives think they are just a few good months away from being billionaires.

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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonglow View Post
    You still have no idea how liberals think along with the OP...
    No i do which is why they pretty much all have the same arguments on all of these types of threads.
    I have seen it more times than i can count how liberals think of this subject.

    What you have to ask yourself is i i own the capital and you just use it who should make more profit from that
    capital.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Conservatives v Liberals -income inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    In a broad generalization this is correct.
    although not too highly accurate.

    Liberals honestly feel that the guy that invests his money into a business isn't doing any of the work. This is their main starting point. They honestly do feel that the workers
    should make a larger percentage of the profit. They do not see why the CEO makes 100m while the guy that pushes the broom makes 30k. They honestly don't care
    to them the guy pushing the broom is doing more work than the CEO and the CEO doesn't deserve 100m.

    Conservatives are a bit different. This is me of course. I do not care what the CEO makes. There can only be 1 CEO and as long as he is doing his job well and making the company money
    and not running it into the ground then he deserves his salary. I personally do not believe in these golden parachutes these CEO's get when they bomb out. As far as pay goes.
    I tend to fall more in the middle. As a company owner grows he should get more of the profit and pay than the other people. He invested his time and effort into the company he should
    get something and more of something out of it. By the same right he also should treat his employee's in a fair manner. As a caveat i will say i am talking about skilled labor jobs.
    if you are unskilled then you have little leverage to get more out of company owner.

    The biggest issue that we have in america and why companies are the way they are is this. fudiciary duty.
    this is the biggest inhibitor of companies in america.

    Under the U.S. legal system, a fiduciary duty is a legal term describing the relationship between two parties that obligates one to act solely in the interest of the other. The party designated as the fiduciary owes the legal duty to a principal, and strict care is taken to ensure no conflict of interest arises between the fiduciary and his principal.

    Basically if you are a stock holder in a company the company is required by law to do the best it can to earn you the most profit.
    It is why companies have to pay dividends etc ... if the stock holders want to see a 3% increase in the stock price then the company
    is obligated to do so. If that means canceling raises for a year to get that extra .5% then that is what it means.
    Uh huh and when a ceo making a hundred million a year runs a company he doesn't own into the ground, they give him another hundred million to leave.

    So basically you are saying if the stockholders demand more the workers as a consequence have to make less. After all they can afford it the most. Does it ever occur to anyone maybe the ceo can take a pay cut and make ninety million this year and the workers still get their twenty five cent raise?
    When I stop answering you, there's a reason.......repeat, When I stop answering you, there's a reason.

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