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Rotten, Broken and corrupted

Do you believe that our social, financial and moral system is rotten and broken?

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Lisa said:
The current sitauation is not good but it would depend on what your alternative system to fix it is?
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Draining the swamp created and routinely replenished by Trump would go some way. When sleaze, fraud and corruption are becoming deemed as perfectly acceptable by a significant proportion of the citizenry, and a president's criminality is both disregarded and validated as normal practise by his voters, you have a problem.
 
HumblePi said:
Okay so you proved my point. You make a list of the policies of Bernie Sanders and make the assumption that I am a Bernie supporter. You should try to avoid making the mistake of judging others without any evidence, as you had done with me.
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Are you struggling at reading today.
Where did I say you were a Bernie supporter.

Oh that’s right I didn’t. You are just imagining things.

Not a good sign.
 
braindrain said:
Are you struggling at reading today.
Where did I say you were a Bernie supporter.

Oh that’s right I didn’t. You are just imagining things.

Not a good sign.
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I'm never struggle with anything I comment about. Clearly and and evidentially you listed all of Bernie Sanders policies. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
 
HumblePi said:
Scottish historian Alexander Fraser Tytler believed that democratic forms of government such as those of Greece and Rome "have a natural evolution from initial virtue toward eventual corruption and decline."

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Quote by Alexander Fraser Tytler : “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of...”
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It's a popular quote for right-wingers. Its author is unknown; its earlier known use was in 1951, in an article that attributed it to TyTler, but it is not found in Tytler's writings.

Sorry, Conservatives, De Tocqueville Did Not Call the 2012 Election - The Atlantic
 
HumblePi said:
I'm never struggle with anything I comment about. Clearly and and evidentially you listed all of Bernie Sanders policies. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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So not only are you struggling to read you don’t even know the positions of the leading DNC candidates.

Let’s see

Free collage supporters Bernie, Warren, Biden for the first two years, Buttigieg free to most students for four at a public 4 year schools

Free healthcare supporters Bernie, Warren still supports it though less so after losing votes over it. Biden and Buttigieg giving free healthcare to many many more Americans but not all

Reparations supporters Buttigieg, Biden and warren want to study it,

And Bernie doesn’t support a guaranteed basic income at all.

So tell my again how the things I listed are just Sanders policies.


So like I said you are really struggling. And it’s obvious.
 
braindrain said:
So not only are you struggling to read you don’t even know the positions of the leading DNC candidates.

Let’s see

Free collage supporters Bernie, Warren, Biden for the first two years, Buttigieg free to most students for four at a public 4 year schools

Free healthcare supporters Bernie, Warren still supports it though less so after losing votes over it. Biden and Buttigieg giving free healthcare to many many more Americans but not all

Reparations supporters Buttigieg, Biden and warren want to study it,

And Bernie doesn’t support a guaranteed basic income at all.

So tell my again how the things I listed are just Sanders policies.


So like I said you are really struggling. And it’s obvious.
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Where is Amy Klobuchar's manifesto? Where is that of Andrew Yang, Michael Bennet or Mike Bloomberg for that matter? Why did you cherry pick only Bernie, Warren and Buttigieg? Not that it matters to me, but who is supporting a "guaranteed basic income"?
 
HumblePi said:
Where is Amy Klobuchar's manifesto? Where is that of Andrew Yang, Michael Bennet or Mike Bloomberg for that matter? Why did you cherry pick only Bernie, Warren and Buttigieg? Not that it matters to me, but who is supporting a "guaranteed basic income"?
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Wow. The longer this goes on the more obvious it is that you are struggling on many levels. Are you doing ok. Maybe you should take a break.

I didn’t need to post every DNC candidate’s positions to prove your claim that I just posted Sanders positions as completely wrong.
Please try and keep up.

And again you are struggling to read. Biden’s positions are on there as well.

And the fact that none of the candidates I listed support a guaranteed basic income just further proves how wrong you were. So thank you for helping prove that I am right.

And besides why would I post Yangs positions seeing as he has already dropped out of the race.

So let’s have a recap. You claim I am calling you a bernie supporter and your evidence of that is that I posted positions that you claim are just Bernies. I prove you wrong by demonstrating that those are also the positions of many other DNC candidates. You further help prove yourself wrong by mentioning that the main candidates, which Bernie is one of, does not support guaranteed income, which you earlier tried to claim was me listing all of Bernies positions.

And yet you cling to the claim that you are not struggling.
Probably the best thing you could do right now is run away before you confuse yourself any further.
 
braindrain said:
Wow. The longer this goes on the more obvious it is that you are struggling on many levels. Are you doing ok. Maybe you should take a break.

I didn’t need to post every DNC candidate’s positions to prove your claim that I just posted Sanders positions as completely wrong.
Please try and keep up.

And again you are struggling to read. Biden’s positions are on there as well.

And the fact that none of the candidates I listed support a guaranteed basic income just further proves how wrong you were. So thank you for helping prove that I am right.

And besides why would I post Yangs positions seeing as he has already dropped out of the race.

So let’s have a recap. You claim I am calling you a bernie supporter and your evidence of that is that I posted positions that you claim are just Bernies. I prove you wrong by demonstrating that those are also the positions of many other DNC candidates. You further help prove yourself wrong by mentioning that the main candidates, which Bernie is one of, does not support guaranteed income, which you earlier tried to claim was me listing all of Bernies positions.

And yet you cling to the claim that you are not struggling.
Probably the best thing you could do right now is run away before you confuse yourself any further.
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Stop insulting me, it's rude and ignorant. If you want to have a discussion as an adult then start acting like an adult. And when the HELL did I ever say you were a Bernie fan? Now you're simply making up things I never said. You've totally lost your credibility and not worth any more of my time.
 
HumblePi said:
Stop insulting me, it's rude and ignorant. If you want to have a discussion as an adult then start acting like an adult. And when the HELL did I ever say you were a Bernie fan? Now you're simply making up things I never said. You've totally lost your credibility and not worth any more of my time.
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If you don’t want people to be rude to you then don’t start out by making false claims about what they said. Most people tend to not care to much about the feelings of people who are openly dishonest.

And don’t stick to those false claims no matter how ridiculous it makes you look. It only makes it look like you are struggling all that much more

But now I am honestly starting to feel bad and worry about you. It seems you are struggling to read and understand simple sentences.
Where exactly did I say you called me a Bernie supporter. Oh that’s right. No where. That’s just once again you not being able to comprehend what you are reading. Or just being very dishonest. I guess it could be either.

Please do us both a favor and run away. Save yourself some embarrassment
 
Casper said:
It is your topic, I will assume you have no solutions and are just complaining, noted.
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Do you have a solution? If you do, let everybody know so they can discuss and debate with you. I am writing about a problem, the solution is a different scenario.
 
Paradoxical said:
For ll the socialist wannabees here. Their population has diminished because those greedy people left so you can probably find a house there real cheap.

Oh, they need people to grow food and stuff because the shelves are bare, so all those with farming skills will be welcome. Of course, the collective won't really pay you, but that's the equality and fairness we in America are striving for, isn't it?
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Can't understand the purpose of your comment
 
Royal PITA said:
Not sure what "80th" means, but these cycles can spread 50-100 years.

Remember that China curse "May you live in interesting times"? Enjoy! :D
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I mean since Reagan in the U.S and Thatcher in Britain got elected.
 
Lisa said:
The current sitauation is not good but it would depend on what your alternative system to fix it is?
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I agree with you. I guess Capitalism on leash can be a reasonable solution. Wall-Street banks shouldn't be allowed to run wild and gamble with people money.
 
HUman race is rotten, broken and corrupted. Entire history is full of examples of this.

Humans are greedy and selfish, basically ,assholes. There are many great people, but what good does that do if the scumbags run everything? We are one of the richest countries in teh world, and we have insane rates of poverty, because of greed, and greed worship by the ignorant. that should not be the case. We have crumbling towns, roads, bridges, appalling for a country this rich.

It is not surprising if there is an increase in crime and violence. Not surprised many peopel are angry and losing it, because seeing how much money corporations make, while their workers work paycheck to paycheck, is unacceptable. Rich buying politicians, and republicans and trump stacking courts with pro corporate hacks that will remove our last line of protection against the corporations.

Also, to be called "land of the free" and have the highest rate of imprisonment, that's a complete joke. disproportionately brown skinned people so they can line the pockets of companies supplying prisons, or worse, the private for profit prison system.

Constant wars, or kicking up conflict, so the arm manufacturers can sell weapons to both sides, so the companies can profit off of pain and suffering, is also appalling.
 
HumblePi said:
Scottish historian Alexander Fraser Tytler believed that democratic forms of government such as those of Greece and Rome "have a natural evolution from initial virtue toward eventual corruption and decline."

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Quote by Alexander Fraser Tytler : “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of...”
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Rome was not a democracy. Only Athens was a Democracy not the rest of Greece.
 
it has always been rotten why else do you think humans have used, drugs, sex and booze to escape civilization for thousands of years...
 
daeler said:
I never understand why this is the go to phrase for a lot of people. There are many things that have been wrong in this country and the truly good people instead of saying I don't like this and left they stayed and fixed the problem and made the country better. leaving is for people who don't care about the country. You see something that is wrong fix it.

There are so many problems with the finances in this country that you would need a book to point them all out. but instead of leaving I am going to use my voting power to try to change it.
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I understand, they have nothing else. They are pathetic people with no facts, they have zero intelligence to argue, so they trolls and deflect. Notice, majority of conservatives do nothing but deflect.
 
danielpalos said:
The right wing simply does not believe the Poor are "worth it" under Capitalism.

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States is what the Poor need.
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Except, that's not true. They think them and their kind are worth it. People not like them, they are not worth it. Because how many voted Trump because he promised to bring their jobs back (which he didn't)? How many took the farm bailouts happily?

Basically, they want government to help them and nobody else. That's a huge characteristic to be a republican, selfishness. Just want for me and nobody else
 
stan1990 said:
I agree with you. I guess Capitalism on leash can be a reasonable solution. Wall-Street banks shouldn't be allowed to run wild and gamble with people money.
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Regulate capitalism with a socialist safety net for the elderly, infirm and minors works best since socialism as a primary economic system doesn't work above the tribal/village level.
 
joko104 said:
The OP also is fundamentally a lie. The water supply and system of Flint Michigan has been totally controlled by local and state DEMOCRATIC PARTY elected officials for decades.

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You are mistaken....

For decades Flint paid for city water through the Detroit City water which was properly treated.

The Flint water plant was only to operate as an emergency water sorcery.

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1967–2013 – Officials for the City of Flint operate under a plan to use the Flint River as an emergency water source.
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But Republican Governor Rick Sndyder decided to make the People of use the Fint Rive water instead of Detroit City water which was pumped Lake Hunron and treated by the Detroit City water plant.[]

November 29, 2011 - After the city declared a state of financial emergency three weeks earlier, Governor Snyder appointed Michael Brown as the city's Emergency Manager on November 29, effective December 1.[16] He was the first of four such managers who effectively took the place of the Mayor until 2015, when a Receivership Transition Advisory Board was appointed.[17]
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To save a small amount of money the Flint Managers failed to treat the water with an anti corrosive which would have prevented the learching of lead from the old pipes. For decades those pipes had been prevented from letcheing because the pipes had been protected with the Detroit City water treatment.

Once the lead from the pipes got into the drinking water . The people of Flint started getting the lead poisoning and the youngest among them were most seriously affected . :(
 
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Sampson Simpson said:
Except, that's not true. They think them and their kind are worth it. People not like them, they are not worth it. Because how many voted Trump because he promised to bring their jobs back (which he didn't)? How many took the farm bailouts happily?

Basically, they want government to help them and nobody else. That's a huge characteristic to be a republican, selfishness. Just want for me and nobody else
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That doesn't seem very ethical or moral, and we have a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.
 
minnie616 said:
You are mistaken....

For decades Flint paid for city water through the Detroit City water which was properly treated.

The Flint water plant was only to operate as an emergency water sorcery.

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But Republican Governor Rick Sndyder decided to make the People of use the Fint Rive water instead of Detroit City water which was pumped Lake Hunron and treated by the Detroit City water plant.[]



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To save a small amount of money the Flint Managers failed to treat the water with an anti corrosive which would have prevented the learching of lead from the old pipes. For decades those pipes had been prevented from letcheing because the pipes had been protected with the Detroit City water treatment.

Once the lead from the pipes got into the drinking water . The people of Flint started getting the lead poisoning and the youngest among them were most seriously affected . :(
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I stand corrected. Thank you.
 
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