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Could/should Trump order the military to discipline Vindman

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Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

No ****ing way. This guy appeared under subpoena. Going ballistic by charging him with anything other than patriotism is shear lunacy. Trump is just a vindictive bastard as we've seen with all he did to Obama. This is who Trump is, a spiteful little man.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

No Trump shouldn't discipline or prosecute Vindman. What he should do is fire him. Vindman along with a lot of others should have been fired first day.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

Those who serve at the pleasure of the President serve at the pleasure of the President. If citizens dont like that pleasure then they know what to do.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

He doesn't have to suggest anything. He is the CinC of the Armed Forces. If he could find a code in the UCMJ to fit, he can order a courts-martial.

He can also do non-judicial "punishments" like a letter to his file.

But no, I don't think he should, although I imagine he'd think it was okay to do.

IMO removal from the NSC was sufficient. Just put the man (and his brother) "out-to-pasture" as a Division staff officer, or maybe at some recruiting command...and leave well-enough alone.
 
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No Trump shouldn't discipline or prosecute Vindman. What he should do is fire him. Vindman along with a lot of others should have been fired first day.

Seems like trying to shiv your Commander because he decides to not follow your advice should be a career ender.....
 
Those who serve at the pleasure of the President serve at the pleasure of the President. If citizens dont like that pleasure then they know what to do.

Actually there is something called the LAW. I know you trumpsters do not believe that trump is contained by the law, but he is and retaliating against Vindman violates the LAW. Even the president is suppossed to obey the laws of the country and swore he would when he became president, but neither you trumpsters or the GOP will hold him accountable, EVER. So yo uhave made him a dictator who does not have to follow the law, you should be proud of ruining this country's democracy.
 
No, although I imagine he'd think it was okay to try.

IMO removal from the NSC was sufficient. Just put the man (and his brother) "out-to-pasture" as a Division staff officer, or maybe at some recruiting command...and leave well-enough alone.

Once again a Trumpster who sees it as okay for trump to violate the law AGAIN. Relatiation against Vindman violates the law, but of course you do not care if Trump does so and it shows.
 
Seems like trying to shiv your Commander because he decides to not follow your advice should be a career ender.....

Well this is kinda on Trump because he should have cleaned house a long time ago.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

No and no, but like his influence on the Justice system today, he'll certainly try to do so. That's just the kind of low-life, anti-American scumbag Trump has proved to be.
 
Well this is kinda on Trump because he should have cleaned house a long time ago.

LIke he drained the swamp, no I guess he filled the swamp with alligators and now most of his alligators are in jail. Thee GOP wants to impeach Obama. I guess they forgot he is out of office with a clean slate.
 
Well this is kinda on Trump because he should have cleaned house a long time ago.

There were Several very good reasons why he did not, one of them is that he had no idea how bad the swamp is, as he said in NH yesterday.

Another is that Trump took Newts advice to heart..... that if he took on all of Deep State all at the same time then he would have no chance......they have almost all the weapons...all he has are his voters....so he tried to play nice kinda.
 
Once again a Trumpster who sees it as okay for trump to violate the law AGAIN. Relatiation against Vindman violates the law, but of course you do not care if Trump does so and it shows.

You can repeat this nonsense all you want. Removal from the NSC is not a "punishment."

Vindman was not elected to that post, promoted into it, nor have any claim as a civil service "job" he tested for and was hired to do.

All members serve at the pleasure of the President. It is HIS advisory Council. If he doesn't like someone on it, he has both the RIGHT, and the Authority to remove and replace them. At will.

As I've said before; Vindman has not been "punished." He retains all military rank and privileges, he has not been "fined," none of his awards have been taken from him. He has simply been removed from the PRESIDENT'S advisory council.
 
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Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

The President of the United States has the authority to dismiss any military officer.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so.

Wrong The commander and Chief (The President) could order him not to testify. Military Officers and Federal law enforcement agents are commanded not to fulfill subpoenas all the time.

He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww,

Having him removed from the NSC isn't a crime. OMG The President can remove anyone at the NSC for any reason he wants. Even if he doesn't trust him. He doesn't even need an excuse. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

No, Let the military handle their own. The president shouldn't get involved.
 
Could/should this president or any preident order the military to dicipline someone for what is obviously political reasons. Vindman was subpoenaed to come to the House and testify. As a military officer he had no right to refuse and even the president could not stop him from doing so. He testified to what he heard on the phone call to the best of his ability and seemed to have no axe to grind. Now he has been removed from his position, which in itself violates the laww, but neither the president or the GOP care about the law. Now trump is suggesting that the military should bring charges against Vindman, for what, no one really knows. But Could or should this president go ahead and force by order the military to discipline Vindman or anyone?

Oh...there are plenty of charges his superiors could bring Vindman up on...and probably make stick. But they won't. It's not worth the effort. Besides, they have other ways of punishing him. Zero further advancement in rank, rescinding his attendance at the War College, reassignment to some choice duty station that resembles hell.

Now Trump? He won't do anything. He'll be content to trolling the haters by saying things he knows will trigger them.

btw, your simplified notion of what Vindman has done requires you to pretend not to know things...as usual. A bit of real investigation would show that Vindman, Ciaramella, a Schiffty staffer or two, an ICIG and a group of Lawfare people concocted the entire Ukraine nonsense. THAT could send Vindman to Leavenworth for a long time.

But...as I said...it just isn't worth it.
 
There were Several very good reasons why he did not, one of them is that he had no idea how bad the swamp is, as he said in NH yesterday.

Another is that Trump took Newts advice to heart..... that if he took on all of Deep State all at the same time then he would have no chance......they have almost all the weapons...all he has are his voters....so he tried to play nice kinda.

The Newts advise was bad. You hit fast, you hit hard, and you pursue with ferocity. The tools the swamp has are dependent on their control of the state, and their fiefdoms within. Trump should have taken his catch phase to heart, "You're fired", and gutted the upper echelon and creating power vacuums. Creating the power vacuum does several things. One it takes the heads off of the various fiefdoms. 2 like vacuums in nature, they tend to be filled, thereby identifying your next targets. 3. The process of filling the previous vacuum creates causes chaos and disunity amongst your targets thereby weakening the overall response to you. 4. The chaos is a smokescreen with which one can maneuver operationally to isolate and neutralize the various competing factions, and to build your powerbase while simultaneously weakening the overall response.

Despite not knowing the extent of the DS he should have set the tone and been far more aggressive.
 
LIke he drained the swamp, no I guess he filled the swamp with alligators and now most of his alligators are in jail. Thee GOP wants to impeach Obama. I guess they forgot he is out of office with a clean slate.

Trump didnt drain ****. Draining the swamp would have been mass firings. That is draining the swamp.
 
There were Several very good reasons why he did not, one of them is that he had no idea how bad the swamp is, as he said in NH yesterday.

Another is that Trump took Newts advice to heart..... that if he took on all of Deep State all at the same time then he would have no chance......they have almost all the weapons...all he has are his voters....so he tried to play nice kinda.

Get off the "DEEP STATE" crap. No one believes it except those who believe everything trump says. Trump has now developed a deep state within he government whose only loayalty is to trump, strting with Barr. Do trumpsters ever think about what you are writing or just write what trump wants them to.
 
Trump didnt drain ****. Draining the swamp would have been mass firings. That is draining the swamp.

YOu are right, he did not drain the swamp, he filled it with people who care nothing about our country but are loyal only to him. Kind of like all of the Trumpsters on this message board who are loyal only too Trump and not the country.
 
What a disgusting, putrid individual the Orange Idiot is. More worrisome is those defneding his ignorance, his illegal acts and his thorough ****tiness.
 
Those who serve at the pleasure of the President serve at the pleasure of the President. If citizens dont like that pleasure then they know what to do.

So, for example, if a president decided 'no black people' or 'no women', no problem for you? If he sold off positions (remember Gordon Sondland, who gave him $1 million, for example), no problem? You don't seem to understand the president not being supposed to abuse that power.
 
Actually there is something called the LAW. I know you trumpsters do not believe that trump is contained by the law, but he is and retaliating against Vindman violates the LAW. Even the president is suppossed to obey the laws of the country and swore he would when he became president, but neither you trumpsters or the GOP will hold him accountable, EVER. So yo uhave made him a dictator who does not have to follow the law, you should be proud of ruining this country's democracy.
What law prevents Trump from retaliating against Vindman? Trump is the CiC of our armed forces and can request anything he wants within the limitations of the law. If Vindman violated the UCMJ, Yrump has every right to demand he is prosecuted. He also has every right to remove him from the WH staff.

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This thread is turning out like I expected.

Trumpsters -- "Fire the MFer!"

Anyone else - abuse of power
 
There were Several very good reasons why he did not, one of them is that he had no idea how bad the swamp is, as he said in NH yesterday.

Another is that Trump took Newts advice to heart..... that if he took on all of Deep State all at the same time then he would have no chance......they have almost all the weapons...all he has are his voters....so he tried to play nice kinda.
Not only that but his management style is to surround himself with contray viewpoints. He probably viewed it as advantage to have people that disagree with him advising him.

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