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Trumps Slither to Authoritariansim

Samwise said:
Lol! You think you're going to get a direct and honest answer?
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He already has. But he think he asked a "magic question" to which the answer proves him right and me wrong. Its a standard fail on the part of people who try to trap others into saying what they want them to say and they keep at it until they get it.

It is actually amusing to watch like a cat chasing its own tail.
 
Samwise said:
Which part are unable to comprehend?

"people initiating violence against their peaceful neighbors"?
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Violence...... you mean like murder?
 
Samwise said:
Lol! You think you're going to get a direct and honest answer?
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Would it surprise you to learn I've been at this for days?

Let me recap.
- He said 3 Republican Senators s claimed Trump broke a law. (Whether he did or not is immaterial at this point)
- I said no Republican Senator made that claim.
- He essentially said, okay, maybe not 3, but Mitt Romney did and he quoted Romney talking about high crimes and misdemeanors.
- I quoted Romney saying there were no statutory crimes, which means no law was broken, which means he was wrong about the 3rd Senator..
- Nonetheless he still insists Romney said a law was broken.
- So I keep asking him if he knows what a statutory crime means.
- I told him I wasn't going to stop insisting until he admit he was wrong. Usually when people talk to him they give up when they see what they're dealing with but I decided to let it play out this time.

And here we are.

There are a bunch or people here like that and I usually don't start with them but this time it was such a lie I couldn't resist.
 
bubbabgone said:
Would it surprise you to learn I've been at this for days?

Let me recap.
- He said 3 Republican Senators s claimed Trump broke a law. (Whether he did or not is immaterial at this point)
- I said no Republican Senator made that claim.
- He essentially said, okay, maybe not 3, but Mitt Romney did and he quoted Romney talking about high crimes and misdemeanors.
- I quoted Romney saying there were no statutory crimes, which means no law was broken, which means he was wrong about the 3rd Senator..
- Nonetheless he still insists Romney said a law was broken.
- So I keep asking him if he knows what a statutory crime means.
- I told him I wasn't going to stop insisting until he admit he was wrong. Usually when people talk to him they give up when they see what they're dealing with but I decided to let it play out this time.

And here we are.

There are a bunch or people here like that and I usually don't start with them but this time it was such a lie I couldn't resist.
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Oh, you're going to have fun with that one.
 
haymarket said:
Violence...... you mean like murder?
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Yes, murder would be an excellent example of the initiation of violence against one's peaceful neighbors.
 
Samwise said:
Yes, murder would be an excellent example of the initiation of violence against one's peaceful neighbors.
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Other than hardcore criminals - I do not believe anybody would be for that.
 
haymarket said:
Other than hardcore criminals - I do not believe anybody would be for that.
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I was referring to things like putting someone in a cage for growing a plant. Sociopathic initiation of violence against peaceful people like that.
 
Samwise said:
I was referring to things like putting someone in a cage for growing a plant. Sociopathic initiation of violence against peaceful people like that.
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That phrase you used ... initiation of violence against peaceful people ..... where did you get it?
 
haymarket said:
So you thought up the phrase by yourself rather than repeating something you read or heard?
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I think I may have heard it when I was a baby perhaps. Like George Harrison and "My Sweet Lord". Maybe? Not sure.

Why are you asking? You're not in favor of initiating violence against your peaceful neighbor are you? That would be very disappointing.
 
Samwise said:
I think I may have heard it when I was a baby perhaps. Like George Harrison and "My Sweet Lord". Maybe? Not sure.

Why are you asking? You're not in favor of initiating violence against your peaceful neighbor are you? That would be very disappointing.
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It is more than a little weird because that phrase is hardly heard everyday and in fact is nonsensical. Is it a right libertarian phrase that is common among people of a certain right wing thinking?
 
haymarket said:
It is more than a little weird because that phrase is hardly heard everyday and in fact is nonsensical.
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Nonsensical? In what way?
Is it a right libertarian phrase that is common among people of a certain right wing thinking?
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I don't know the answer to that particular question.

You're not in favor of initiating violence against your peaceful neighbor are you? You seemed like such a nice kid.
 
Samwise said:
Nonsensical? In what way?

I don't know the answer to that particular question.

You're not in favor of initiating violence against your peaceful neighbor are you? You seemed like such a nice kid.
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It just seems I have only read that particular phrasing from one source before ...... but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.
 
haymarket said:
It just seems I have only read that particular phrasing from one source before ...... but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.
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Perhaps Frederic Bastiat?

He made a great point about how it is immoral to initiate aggression against one's peaceful neighbors. I highly recommend reading him.

So are you one of those "I feel it's okay to initiate aggression against my peaceful neighbors" kind of guys?
 
haymarket said:
Does not sound familiar.
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He was an interesting cat. He opposed the initiation of aggression against one's peaceful neighbors.

You might want to check out "The Petition of the candlemakers"

Are you still married to your idea that it's okay to initiate aggression against your peaceful neighbors? It's never too late to repent, you know.
 
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less right said:
We only have his word that he was told he could leave. I'm not saying he wasn't, I'm saying we didn't hear the other side of the story thus the 'Assange friendly presentation' I mentioned earlier.

If he did something illegal to get the information then his first amendment rights don't apply.

I'm no Assange expert nor do I care much about his plight. That's why I stuck to what I know.

Assange was not a prisoner. He was in exile by choice.

I appreciate you finally not twisting that into bluffing, apologizing, having no credibility or honor, or suffering overwhelming bias.
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No, you are no Assange expert. You are a typical American, "knowing" only what you've been told by your handlers in the media.

Your lack of empathy for other humans reflects your brainwashed worldview, as does your lack of respect for the First Amendment and constitutional governance in general.

Less right, more wrong, a typical product of the misinformation that drives our culture.
 
RealityNow said:
The realism is unfolding everyday, as the demise of the white nationalist agenda that Trump grew up in and is trying to revive in America... is exposing every aspect and elements of the types of vile that has persisted in America for 100's of years... The segment of white society who embraces race bigotry... has always been at the root of the conflicts, both civic and social, and their malice of divisiveness of segregationist mentality has been and still is at the root of economic calamity. The sad part is poor whites don't have the in-depth education and have held an obstinate mentality to face the truth, that they too were segregated and relegated to "low pay" and economic segregation. They have done everything they can trying to not face that fact... Today... they live on "credit debt".. trying by every means to measure up with hopes that the well to do and wealthy will accept them, and see them as equals.. Even as they know within their hearts it is not going to happen. They chase the carrot on a stick... and devote themselves exactly as LBJ said they would.


It's as true today as it was when LBJ said if more than 56+ yrs ago.

Passing the Civil Rights Act is the law of the land... There are protections and prosecution under the law... but the evil vile of racism in the hearts and minds of some has never left, there are many who still groom it into their kids and some live it out in their lives... "that's all they have ever been raised to think" and they don't have the individual will to face the facts of human reality, which is... they will never be more than simply a human being. No money, No material matter and No vanity and No ego can ever make them any more than any other human being.

yet, when ignorance and the fear of inferiority consumes such types, they become arrogant, violent and deadly upon and against society; these types will attack each other, husbands will attack wives, wives attack husbands and kids attack kids, and kids will attack and kill mother, father and siblings. We see it "everyday".... all across America.

This is what results when delusion of superiority is groomed into people and the measure of monetary and material matter becomes the go to self measure, and the concept that men can dominate and dictate over women as if she is his possession... when these thing converge... we see the media ... of wives mysteriously disappearing, kids shooting up class mates in school, mass shooting in public places... and every kind of monetary scam and devise of every type of embezzlement, stealing, cheating, robbing and killing for the pursuit of "money".. some do so because of money, and when money does not bring dominance over woman, then comes the violence that has seen many women loose their lives, many husbands stripped clean, and some killed off by every conceivable means.

TV makes melodrama out of it all.. and people emulate it in faster and faster cycles... and the media is flooded with 24-7 shows that have unimaginable vile crimes that the average humane respecting person would not allow themselves to conceive of committing.

As terribly bad as Americans need education, Trump and Republican are doing all they can to damage public education and suck the money away to give it to private white dominated schools... they are doing all they can to make University even more debt heavy to dissuade many poor people from even attempting to go to college. His want to strip away safety net programs, is of design to recreate the same type of "environmental and location containment" which existed within the Confederacy...

The only people who can't see it all is... the cult like devotee's who deep within lust for a remake of the 1920- to the Mid-1960's. They can't fathom anything beyond such obsessive pursuits. These are the types who will "destroy anything within society, which they can't dominate"... and they will fight against anything they can't push their wants to invoke authoritarian control over. This is the mentality that is deep within the generational grooming... and sadly many don't even know why they are as they are... but they don't have the capability to look deep within and learn of the vile elements within the ideology they have historically been groomed to adopt and embrace as if its normal.

Truth's within the Roots of Chaos in America

Until it is open and engaged subject in society, especially within historically right wing confederate groomed white people, ... America will struggle... and eventually fall.. if it remain obstinate to face truths.
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Sadly, facing truths doesn't win elections. Lying and cynical pronouncements of inclusiveness, on the other hand, does.
 
Samwise said:
Oh, you're going to have fun with that one.
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It would have been easy if days ago he had just said he didn't mean "broke the law" in the legal sense.
Now I realize that wouldn't make any sense either but it would been a way out for him.
But nooooooooo.
He can still do it now.
Ya think he will?
 
bubbabgone said:
It would have been easy if days ago he had just said he didn't mean "broke the law" in the legal sense.
Now I realize that wouldn't make any sense either but it would been a way out for him.
But nooooooooo.
He can still do it now.
Ya think he will?
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He will never give you an answer to a direct question.

What's that little animal that gets into henhouses?
 
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