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Trumps Slither to Authoritariansim

haymarket said:
Great piece on CNN how Trump is doubling down after his victory in the Senate and now tries to take even more steps to being a uncontrollable authoritarian.

Trump weaponizes the Presidency after impeachment - CNNPolitics

A taste of the article



Trumpkins will of course dismiss the piece but the rest of us can only shudder in anticipation of a Trump answerable to nobody and beyond the law.
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It’s not necessarily dismissed. It’s just the same over blown tantrum we’ve seen for 3 years.

No one has a right to a job in the administration. And if they are working against him and his policy they deserve to be fired. That’s the swamp. [emoji2369]
 
haymarket said:
Abuse of power for the President is a very serious crime. Covering it by refusing to cooperate with Congress is also a crime.
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You conveniently forgot the criminal code that was violated.
 
jnug said:
When you come up with a real answer to any of the questions posed in post 136 or any of the Trumpian nonsense posed in post 138 you just et us know.
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I have no desire to answer questions that are based on complete nonsense. Typical CTer. Make silly claims and then expect others to disprove them.
Do you guys all go to the same training camp to ensure you all act exactly the same.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump will always be answerable to the law...just like every President before him.

And there will always be the same political constraint on him that every President before him has had: The voter.

Now...if you want more, say, someone in his administration who hates him and doesn't mind breaking the law by leaking classified information to the media...well, yeah...that's going to end. Too bad if that chaps your ass.
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Answerable to the law? Are you kidding me? He just thumbed his nose at the law, and republicans helped him.

Now he's using the justice dept as his own private gestapo.

Wake the **** up.

Republicans are morons
 
OscarLevant said:
Answerable to the law? Are you kidding me? He just thumbed his nose at the law, and republicans helped him.

Now he's using the justice dept as his own private gestapo.

Wake the **** up.

Republicans are morons
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YOuve got it backwards. The morons are the ones who fall for every stupid CT that comes along
 
Trump's whole presidency is based on being a victim. Before the election trump complained how the whole system was rigged, against him just in case he lost like he expected he would. From there on out it has been nothing but I'm a victim. I'm a victim of the press, I'm a victim of the democrats, the deep state is out to get me and everyone is lying about me. He played his victim card to include all the crazies on the right who also all feel like victims. The only thing the president and the right are victims of are the same thing we are all victims of, change, the thing the right fears the most.

The right has embraced trump for various reasons. The rich love him for his tax cuts, corporate america for the same reason. The base loves him because he detests anyone not white and is doing his best to appoint crazy unqualified judges and the constant attacks on abortion and immigration. Trump lovers want a white america and the thought of america becoming a non white majority scares them to death.

What is really disgusting is the amount of corruption and lies his base is willing to put up with to attain those goals. He attacks any and everyone, any and all institutions of america and god forbid you speak badly of him, then you are an outright enemy to be dealt with.

In my opinion, the most corrupt, the most vile and the biggest liar to ever sit in the oval office. This is what the right supports.
 
braindrain said:
I have no desire to answer questions that are based on complete nonsense. Typical CTer. Make silly claims and then expect others to disprove them.
Do you guys all go to the same training camp to ensure you all act exactly the same.
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You can't or won't answer them. So I will do it for you.


-DonDon already have a rather perverse disinformation apparatus that is already pretty well developed that will be fully vetted and perfected if Trump remains in office till 2024. It would be disingenuous and unscrupulous in the extreme to claim otherwise.
-He is consolidating power at the very top amongst himself and his political hacks, OBVIOUSLY and if we think this bunch of baboons can actually run this government with what will be left for a federal government we are living the same fantasy you are. You can run DonDon's little mom and pop business with a flat organization of your trusted thugs. You can't run the Federal Gov that way.
-Trump is actively using the power of the US Government and the DOJ to attack his political rivals OBVIOUSLY!
-Princess Ivanka and Prince Don Jr are already political figures introduced to us without resume.
-Princess Ivanka and her husband Kushner are already considerable influences on the administration with no real resume that would suggest they should have any influence at all and the Trumpette clowns would vote for them in a NY minute if they were presented to run for high government office
-past a second term a royal succession would be the best way for DonDon to insulate himself from justice after 2024.

There wasn't that easy?

As for running the Federal Government, does anybody really think there is any time left for DonDon outside of watching Fox News and attacking his perceived and real political rivals and using the agencies of government to do it?
 
haymarket said:
Abuse of power for the President is a very serious crime. Covering it by refusing to cooperate with Congress is also a crime.
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Romney said "while they’re not statutory crimes". That means laws.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah, but Trump is still guilty of being Trump.
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Using Romney to support an argument is not something I would ordinarily do but I didn't mention him by choice.
 
bubbabgone said:
Using Romney to support an argument is not something I would ordinarily do but I didn't mention him by choice.
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I know. There's an infinite number of ways for detractors to state that they don't like Trump. When objectivity is thrown to the wind, credibilty goes with it in these matters.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah, but Trump is still guilty of being Trump.
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In some ways that is accurate. The Founders did not calculate that a Trump was not possible. Humans being humans at some point the law of averages catches up to you and you get a Chief Executive that is entirely corrupt and unscrupulous as opposed to partially corrupt and unscrupulous and you can even get one trying to create an Imperial Executive complete with succession plan and an effective disinformation apparatus.

The Founders did not think it likely that the Congress would simply roll over for such an Executive. Any President could have done what Trump has done and is doing. Any Speaker of the House could have done what Newt Gingrich did. Any Senate Majority leader could have done what Mitch is doing and a few of them at least got within pissing distance of what Mitch is doing. The entire notion of this Republic has been based on the idea that we the Electorate are not stupid enough to put such utterly corrupt and unscrupulous people in high office and that we have some understanding for public service. Trump WORKS FOR US. All of us. We don't work for him. Those that talk about the Trump's version of the power of the Presidency in glowing terms simply have it all backwards.

Those that do not believe in an Imperial Executive and understand the existential threat to the Republic Trump represents will have to vote him out. It appears none of the other checks and balances which should function to control his worst instincts are going to work because those that control them simply refuse to use the power they have to check the powers that Trump has.
 
jnug said:
In some ways that is accurate. The Founders did not calculate that a Trump was not possible. Humans being humans at some point the law of averages catches up to you and you get a Chief Executive that is entirely corrupt and unscrupulous as opposed to partially corrupt and unscrupulous and you can even get one trying to create an Imperial Executive complete with succession plan and an effective disinformation apparatus.

The Founders did not think it likely that the Congress would simply roll over for such an Executive. Any President could have done what Trump has done and is doing. Any Speaker of the House could have done what Newt Gingrich did. Any Senate Majority leader could have done what Mitch is doing and a few of them at least got within pissing distance of what Mitch is doing. The entire notion of this Republic has been based on the idea that we the Electorate are not stupid enough to put such utterly corrupt and unscrupulous people in high office and that we have some understanding for public service. Trump WORKS FOR US. All of us. We don't work for him. Those that talk about the Trump's version of the power of the Presidency in glowing terms simply have it all backwards.

Those that do not believe in an Imperial Executive and understand the existential threat to the Republic Trump represents will have to vote him out. It appears none of the other checks and balances which should function to control his worst instincts are going to work because those that control them simply refuse to use the power they have to check the powers that Trump has.
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If you're willing to ignore a substantial body of facts and law, yours is a reasonable view.
 
humbolt said:
If you're willing to ignore a substantial body of facts and law, yours is a reasonable view.
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What to innumerate which body of facts and law you are referring to in your response.
 
less right said:
Self-imposed exile is not prison.

He was arrested less than a year ago.
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Will you try living in the same room without being able to go outside for 7 years? Not likely.

What is the difference between that and prison?

He chose to be there, that is true, and also true is that several UN rulings noted he was being held unlawfully.

Your knowledge of the facts in the Assange case is lacking, to be sure.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah, but Trump is still guilty of being Trump.
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The Age of Trump has brought us open obscenity and the flaunting of corruption.

Barnum was right that there is a sucker born every minute. The US electorate is comprised mostly of suckers.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Will you try living in the same room without being able to go outside for 7 years? Not likely.

What is the difference between that and prison?

He chose to be there, that is true, and also true is that several UN rulings noted he was being held unlawfully.

Your knowledge of the facts in the Assange case is lacking, to be sure.
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My knowledge is lacking but we're saying the same thing. As you said, "He chose to be there".

Crying about it won't change that. If Assange was a victim, it was by choice.
 
veritas1 said:
Where did I rationalize Assange's treatment? All I said is that he voluntarily holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. IOW, he basically imprisoned himself rather than face his accusers. Manning went to trial and plead guilty. After commutation Manning subsequently was found guilty of contempt for refusing a summons to testify and sentenced to 18 months. You may disagree with the verdicts against Manning but she had her day in court.
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You are typically misinformed about the facts of the Assange case and why Manning is being held in prison.

Manning honored the summons and did appear at the GJ. He simply remained silent, having already made relevant statements in his previous case.

I want to honor your claim to Veritas, and I want to have an informed conversation with you.

Sex, Lies and Julian Assange - Four Corners

This is the best condensation of the Assange case in Sweden. I hope you will watch it so that you might become informed and so that we can have a subsequent rational public dialogue.
 
less right said:
My knowledge is lacking but we're saying the same thing. As you said, "He chose to be there".

Crying about it won't change that. If Assange was a victim, it was by choice.
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I hope you will view the video I linked to in the post above. If you are curious and honorable, you will. :peace
 
jnug said:
What to innumerate which body of facts and law you are referring to in your response.
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They are numerous - more than I'm willing to list, actually. I'm not a fan of posting lengthy screeds. I'm also not a fan of posting links to address folks who obviously read only one political point of view.

However, you would first have to acknowlege that Trump's prrsidency is legitimate. In order to do that, you must have the ability to separate Trump from the election result. This is really about any legitimate presidential election irrespective of party and personality. Additionally, an element of good will, or at least neutrality, is beneficial, and that is not evident here.

Of course we're both biased, but a willing suspension is necessary for meaningful dialog.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The Age of Trump has brought us open obscenity and the flaunting of corruption.

Barnum was right that there is a sucker born every minute. The US electorate is comprised mostly of suckers.
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I don't believe in an age of Trump. Events are much larger than any single person, including a president. I do agree there's plenty of corruption evident.
 
humbolt said:
I don't believe in an age of Trump. Events are much larger than any single person, including a president. I do agree there's plenty of corruption evident.
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Age of Trump is a figure of speech sir, a rhetorical device.

Yes, Washington was corrupt long before Donald gushed into the swamp.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Age of Trump is a figure of speech sir, a rhetorical device.

Yes, Washington was corrupt long before Donald gushed into the swamp.
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I understand, but I think that device puts Trump at the center of events. He is no more or less the real center than any other president. Trump is not the locus of good or evil in this country.
 
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