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Good4Nothin

Good4Nothin

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Socialists are very worried about poor people. They think the poor are too ignorant and uneducated to figure out how to improve their lives. So they want to give them the advantages they lack. And raise taxes to pay for it.

But in reality the best way to help the poor, and everyone, is to have a good economy.

Unfortunately, no one knows how to make the economy good. There are, however, lots of people with good ideas about how to **** up the economy.

If you want someone who can throw a big wrench into the economy, I would suggest you vote for Sanders. Not saying he will, but he has the potential.
 
Well like I said, if you want something fubar'ed, just put a leftist in charge of it.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Socialists are very worried about poor people. They think the poor are too ignorant and uneducated to figure out how to improve their lives. So they want to give them the advantages they lack. And raise taxes to pay for it.

But in reality the best way to help the poor, and everyone, is to have a good economy.

Unfortunately, no one knows how to make the economy good. There are, however, lots of people with good ideas about how to **** up the economy.

If you want someone who can throw a big wrench into the economy, I would suggest you vote for Sanders. Not saying he will, but he has the potential.
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I think the best way to help everyone is to avoid ignorant people.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Socialists are very worried about poor people. They think the poor are too ignorant and uneducated to figure out how to improve their lives. So they want to give them the advantages they lack. And raise taxes to pay for it.

But in reality the best way to help the poor, and everyone, is to have a good economy.

Unfortunately, no one knows how to make the economy good. There are, however, lots of people with good ideas about how to **** up the economy.

If you want someone who can throw a big wrench into the economy, I would suggest you vote for Sanders. Not saying he will, but he has the potential.
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People aremore important than corporation profits and stock market speculation.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Socialists are very worried about poor people.
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Good4Nothin said:
Unfortunately, no one knows how to make the economy good.
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Smith answered this question 244 year ago:

Adam Smith said:
Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism, but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice; all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things. All governments which thwart this natural course, which force things into another channel, or which endeavour to arrest the progress of society at a particular point, are unnatural, and to support themselves are obliged to be oppressive and tyrannical.
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DamnYankee said:
Well like I said, if you want something fubar'ed, just put a leftist in charge of it.
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Best places in the world to live in are run by leftists. What Americans call leftists anyway. Happiest people, most prosperous, however you look at it the best places in the world are the most liberal places.
Here, check out personal prosperity by country...

This is the most prosperous country on earth - MarketWatch

"Norway takes the No. 1 spot as the most prosperous nation on earth, scoring especially well on measures of safety and security and social capital. Rounding out the top 10 (in order of ranking): New Zealand (No. 2), Finland (No. 3), Switzerland (No. 4), Denmark (No. 5), Sweden (No. 6), United Kingdom (No. 7), Canada (No. 8), Netherlands (No. 9), Ireland (No. 10). The United States ranks 17th overall, but it does take the top spot for its business environment."
 
Rogue Valley said:
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The DSA (the largest socialist organization in the US by far) completely disagrees with the definition of democratic socialism in the graphic.

From the DSA Constitution:

The DSA website: said:
We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.

DSA Constitution & Bylaws - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
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That is a complete rejection of capitalism.
 
If I was Bernie I would not play up the words "socialist Democrat". He is not a Dem, and the word socialist is foreign to us. I would use a different idea to describe what Bernie is. An idealist who seeks to level the playing field in a sea of corruption.

At any rate, not everyone is born the brightest bulb in the bunch. Some people do need public assistance. And some people fall on hard times due to a large variety of reasons and need temporary public assistance.

People are fallible, weak, and make mistakes. That will never change. Compassion is the way out of this plight.
 
Rogue Valley said:
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Thanks for posting that. It might help some people understand that there are many forms of socialism just as there are many forms of capitalism across an economic spectrum. Willful ignorance is not so easily accepted when facts are accessible and obvious.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Socialists are very worried about poor people. They think the poor are too ignorant and uneducated to figure out how to improve their lives. So they want to give them the advantages they lack. And raise taxes to pay for it.
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Very bold, and very brave to try and assume what Socialists think while at the same time not having an understanding on what Socialism actually is.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Thanks for posting that. It might help some people understand that there are many forms of socialism just as there are many forms of capitalism across an economic spectrum. Willful ignorance is not so easily accepted when facts are accessible and obvious.
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I think Bernie needs to be more aware of the fact that the word "socialism" turns people off. He should talk about it all the time, or not refer to it at all. If we talk about it more, if Bernie explains what he means by it constantly, everywhere he goes, maybe people wouldn't be so disturbed by the concept.

At any rate, the term Dem Socialism turns me off. It needs a better name.
 
aociswundumho said:
The DSA (the largest socialist organization in the US by far) completely disagrees with the definition of democratic socialism in the graphic.
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I need a tip from you?

You couldn't lead a bachelor party to a strip club.
 
hermit said:
I think Bernie needs to be more aware of the fact that the word "socialism" turns people off. He should talk about it all the time, or not refer to it at all. If we talk about it more, if Bernie explains what he means by it constantly, everywhere he goes, maybe people wouldn't be so disturbed by the concept.

At any rate, the term Dem Socialism turns me off. It needs a better name.
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Sanders is simply being honest. To have Scandinavian levels of public (social program) spending requires Scandinavian levels of taxation. It really is that simple.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Sanders is simply being honest. To have Scandinavian levels of public (social program) spending requires Scandinavian levels of taxation. It really is that simple.
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Who wants to be like Scandinavia? We are the United States of America. We are a great and wealthy country. We forged our way west with rugged individualism. Now we no longer need that mentality to dominate. We need to soften up. Get a heart. Learn how to develop conversations with the rest of the world. We don't need to dominate anything. All that to say, I don't care if Bernie is being honest. He is being honest about something the people aren't ready for in large numbers.

I see Bernie as a voice that introduces new ideas and helps to plant seeds of change. He is part of those who are changing the dialogue of politics. I have great respect for him on that front, but we don't need such an idealist as president. We need someone with boots on the ground who can get things done that need doing TODAY.

We don't need a revolution. Change occurs over time.
 
hermit said:
I think Bernie needs to be more aware of the fact that the word "socialism" turns people off. He should talk about it all the time, or not refer to it at all. If we talk about it more, if Bernie explains what he means by it constantly, everywhere he goes, maybe people wouldn't be so disturbed by the concept.

At any rate, the term Dem Socialism turns me off. It needs a better name.
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Several socialist parties in the European Union officially call themselves social democrats but none are known as democratic socialists. The Socialdemokraterne (Social Democrats) are the largest political party in Denmark.

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Denmark's Mette Frederiksen won last year's election becoming the youngest prime minister at 24 in the country's history.
 
hermit said:
If I was Bernie I would not play up the words "socialist Democrat". He is not a Dem, and the word socialist is foreign to us. I would use a different idea to describe what Bernie is. An idealist who seeks to level the playing field in a sea of corruption.

At any rate, not everyone is born the brightest bulb in the bunch. Some people do need public assistance. And some people fall on hard times due to a large variety of reasons and need temporary public assistance.

People are fallible, weak, and make mistakes. That will never change. Compassion is the way out of this plight.
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Absolutely. Most people I have known who were poor didn't want to be poor. As a culture Americans identify themselves by their work. That in itself would be a topic for another thread. People want to work. Yes, there are some who don't. There will always be some who don't want to work. Most people want to be productive and want to live a life without facing too much month at the end of the money.

You have to wonder how many well placed wealthy Americans would be willing to trade their current jobs for a job cleaning toilets on shiftwork in office buildings? Same money but different work. A few might but most people would not prefer it.

Most Americans want to work. Most people want to have a good job and access to a safety net that a good job provides.
 
Jean-s said:
People aremore important than corporation profits and stock market speculation.
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Except, when either of them do pooly
 
Risky Thicket said:
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Absolutely. Most people I have known who were poor didn't want to be poor. As a culture Americans identify themselves by their work. That in itself would be a topic for another thread. People want to work. Yes, there are some who don't. There will always be some who don't want to work. Most people want to be productive and want to live a life without facing too much month at the end of the money.

You have to wonder how many well placed wealthy Americans would be willing to trade their current jobs for a job cleaning toilets on shiftwork in office buildings? Same money but different work. A few might but most people would not prefer it.

Most Americans want to work. Most people want to have a good job and access to a safety net that a good job provides.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Most people do want to work. Having the ability to provide for yourself and your family is a HUGE esteem booster. Everyone wants to feel good about themselves. Yes there are those who like to scam the system--like our dear President for instance--but most people think of themselves as good honest people.

I think you are referring to the concept of walking in someone else's shoes. Boy, that is a wonderful way to learn about the plight of others.
 
Risky Thicket said:
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Absolutely. Most people I have known who were poor didn't want to be poor. As a culture Americans identify themselves by their work. That in itself would be a topic for another thread. People want to work. Yes, there are some who don't. There will always be some who don't want to work. Most people want to be productive and want to live a life without facing too much month at the end of the money.

You have to wonder how many well placed wealthy Americans would be willing to trade their current jobs for a job cleaning toilets on shiftwork in office buildings? Same money but different work. A few might but most people would not prefer it.

Most Americans want to work. Most people want to have a good job and access to a safety net that a good job provides.
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Most people I have known who were poor didn't want to be poor
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This is a nice little treasure

The Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit: History, Purpose, Goals, and Effectiveness | Economic Policy Institute
 
hermit said:
Who wants to be like Scandinavia? We are the United States of America. We are a great and wealthy country. We forged our way west with rugged individualism. Now we no longer need that mentality to dominate. We need to soften up. Get a heart. Learn how to develop conversations with the rest of the world. We don't need to dominate anything. All that to say, I don't care if Bernie is being honest. He is being honest about something the people aren't ready for in large numbers.

I see Bernie as a voice that introduces new ideas and helps to plant seeds of change. He is part of those who are changing the dialogue of politics. I have great respect for him on that front, but we don't need such an idealist as president. We need someone with boots on the ground who can get things done that need doing TODAY.

We don't need a revolution. Change occurs over time.
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I neither said nor implied that I agreed with Sanders. I simply stated that Sanders is fairly (he has flip-flopped on immigration) consistent in his policy goals and appears to be adamant about the perceived benefits of them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I neither said nor implied that I agreed with Sanders. I simply stated that Sanders is fairly (he has flip-flopped on immigration) consistent in his policy goals and appears to be adamant about the perceived benefits of them.
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Ok, didn't mean to pontificate. (much)
 
Good4Nothin said:
Socialists are very worried about poor people. They think the poor are too ignorant and uneducated to figure out how to improve their lives. So they want to give them the advantages they lack. And raise taxes to pay for it.

But in reality the best way to help the poor, and everyone, is to have a good economy.

Unfortunately, no one knows how to make the economy good. There are, however, lots of people with good ideas about how to **** up the economy.

If you want someone who can throw a big wrench into the economy, I would suggest you vote for Sanders. Not saying he will, but he has the potential.
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Most people aren't benefiting from the strong economy because the wealth is in the top 1% and the problem is getting worse.

Why many Americans aren't benefiting from robust US economy

The economy isn’t getting better for most Americans. But there is a fix.
 
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