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What Will Be The Future of The Republican Party When These States Turn Blue?

Ummmmmmmm, we’ve got a few blue states from the past which have turned red, not to mention Florida which has turned from purple to red.

I wonder if American politics and governing would be better off were we to support a broader spectrum of political parties as found in parliamentarian nations?
Because of the incongruous mashup of political viewpoints we Americans jam into either of the two primary political parties we end up with some strange bedfellows.
While I typically vote with the Democrats, I do not adhere to all litmus tests. And while many of my more conservative friends may assume I am ultra liberal,
I am in actuality quite fiscally conservative. Point being, our two predominating parties come with assumed "ideological platforms" which paint all party members with a broad brush.
Example: As a defender of Constitutional intent and a devout Biblical Christian I personally resent conservative fund raising mailings that call all Democrats "anti-American" and "anti-Christian".
I am neither. If US voters supported a broader spectrum of political parties the current gulf between Trump supporters and those who oppose Trumpism might not be as severe as we find it.
Other democracies are forced to create coalition governments by negotiating party priorities and differences. By having only red or blue blocks of electoral support Americans are forced
to shoehorn our political beliefs into a left shoe or a right shoe; neither of which my be a comfortable fit.
 
Too late for that

Also, we still have 1.1 million a year legal immigration happening which will happen even more if and when our borders are actually secure. Be careful what you wish for



Hey, did you see how close the Cruz/Beto senate race was? It is possible and it will happen

Legal immigrants are not wedded to the Democrats and they also oppose illegal immigration as much as native born citizens. They did it the right way and don't support those who cheated their way in. Economics speaks volumes and the Democrats are not offering anything that will improve the economic futures of immigrants or anyone else.
 
Really?

So you are going to but all your nuts in a basket for 1 little state legislator race that is out in the Houston suburbs?

Geeeeze....
Nope, The Texas Dems did that; I'm just pointing out it exploded in their face.
 
Cut the flow of illegals to a trickle and Texas will stay red for the forseeable future.

...says NO ONE who understands the politics in Texas. The simple fact of the matter is that Texas is already a majority minority state. Texas would already be a blue state, if black and latino citizens voted in proportion to their numbers (i.e. 55% of the population). Add in the fact that Asians, who are about 6% of the Texas population (and increasing steadily as well) also vote Democratic at a rate of about 70%, and the numbers are already there for Texas to go blue right now.

THAT is why the Gop'ers are so devoted to voter disenfranchisement policies. There is no evidence of widespread in-person voter fraud in Texas (or the rest of the country), but there is massive documentation proving that voter suppression is the acknowledged key to Republican electoral success in the 21st century.


That this is why the Dems are against border security and favor blanket amnesty is abundantly clear. They can't win in these states with the current electorate so they need to manufacture a new one.

This is another ignorant lie, of course.

The exact opposite is true, of course.

The FACT is that "illegals" don't vote. They don't even TRY to vote. In-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent in this country. IN REALITY, it's the Gop'ers who cheat. It's the Gop'ers who know they can no longer win elections with only conservative white voters. It's the Gop'ers who continue to promote voter ID laws that do NOTHING to prevent in-person voter fraud, but are intended only to reduce the number of eligible black and brown voters in each state.

Gop'ers have basically legalized criminal/un-Constitutional behavior for themselves. They are, literally the thugs of the electoral processes in this country.
 
Legal immigrants are not wedded to the Democrats and they also oppose illegal immigration as much as native born citizens. They did it the right way and don't support those who cheated their way in. Economics speaks volumes and the Democrats are not offering anything that will improve the economic futures of immigrants or anyone else.

Legal immigrants are not wedded to the Democrats

Then pray tell, why do they vote majority democrat?


They did it the right way

That's not the question, the question is their mass numbers
 
Beto wasn't running on the elimination of all fossil fuels.



So my question would be, When did Texas start production plants for electric cars?

When did the solar panel and windmill business become so elevated as to support the state of Texas? By the way, I guess you didn't know but Texas already has Solar and wind technologies being produced.
Beto wasn't running on the elimination of all fossil fuels.

So....?..... it's what he was running on that should scare you


So my question would be, When did Texas start production plants for electric cars?

Very nice spin. The point is their will be less demand overtime for your above comment
 
Dems will never win Florida again, thank gosh. Nelson was defeated and Gillium was a joke for a candidate for governor.
 
Dems will never win Florida again, thank gosh. Nelson was defeated and Gillium was a joke for a candidate for governor.



I think you're wrong on that one

What makes you so sure?
and Gillium was a joke for a candidate for governor
.

Did you see how close that election was?
 
So....?..... it's what he was running on that should scare you

Very nice spin. The point is their will be less demand overtime for your above comment

Maybe over time but not in 9 months. Democrats running on the elimination of fossil fuels are not going to win states who's livelihood depend of fossil fuels.

It's a no brainer.
 
Then pray tell, why do they vote majority democrat?




That's not the question, the question is their mass numbers

I didn't say they didn't vote majority Democrat. I said they are not wedded to the party. How they vote now is not necessarily how they will vote forever and the more Democrats champion illegal immigrants, the more they will alienate those who followed the law.
 
...says NO ONE who understands the politics in Texas. The simple fact of the matter is that Texas is already a majority minority state. Texas would already be a blue state, if black and latino citizens voted in proportion to their numbers (i.e. 55% of the population). Add in the fact that Asians, who are about 6% of the Texas population (and increasing steadily as well) also vote Democratic at a rate of about 70%, and the numbers are already there for Texas to go blue right now.

THAT is why the Gop'ers are so devoted to voter disenfranchisement policies. There is no evidence of widespread in-person voter fraud in Texas (or the rest of the country), but there is massive documentation proving that voter suppression is the acknowledged key to Republican electoral success in the 21st century.




This is another ignorant lie, of course.

The exact opposite is true, of course.

The FACT is that "illegals" don't vote. They don't even TRY to vote. In-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent in this country. IN REALITY, it's the Gop'ers who cheat. It's the Gop'ers who know they can no longer win elections with only conservative white voters. It's the Gop'ers who continue to promote voter ID laws that do NOTHING to prevent in-person voter fraud, but are intended only to reduce the number of eligible black and brown voters in each state.

Gop'ers have basically legalized criminal/un-Constitutional behavior for themselves. They are, literally the thugs of the electoral processes in this country.

Please man. You're like walking leftwing boilerplate. If you paid attention, I said this is why Dems oppose border security AND favor blanket amnesty. IOW, illegals can keep pouring in, be made citizens and then rushed to the polls by their Democrat handlers. Everyone knows the drill and nobody is fooled at all. Also, cleaning voter rolls of dead and ineligible voters is something we should all want but Democrats want the most muddled, confused and disorderly system they can get. It abets their fraud. Then, they get quite upset at anyone pointing it out. You are example A.
 
Please man. You're like walking leftwing boilerplate. If you paid attention, I said this is why Dems oppose border security AND favor blanket amnesty. IOW, illegals can keep pouring in, be made citizens and then rushed to the polls by their Democrat handlers. Everyone knows the drill and nobody is fooled at all. Also, cleaning voter rolls of dead and ineligible voters is something we should all want but Democrats want the most muddled, confused and disorderly system they can get. It abets their fraud. Then, they get quite upset at anyone pointing it out. You are example A.

No one is objecting to cleaning voter rolls of the dead, it's the Repubs effort to disenfranchising the living.

"They Don’t Really Want Us to Vote"...
"...The polling station at the university’s student center was restricted to three days of early voting, compared with two weeks in some other parts of the county — and two weeks at majority-white Texas A&M in a nearby county..."


This is just one example, do some online searching and you'll find story after story of Trumps minions making it more difficult to vote. Our federal elections require federal oversight, not some local white supremacists deciding who's eligible and who's not.

Btw, how's that wall coming along?...
 
No one is objecting to cleaning voter rolls of the dead, it's the Repubs effort to disenfranchising the living.

"They Don’t Really Want Us to Vote"...
"...The polling station at the university’s student center was restricted to three days of early voting, compared with two weeks in some other parts of the county — and two weeks at majority-white Texas A&M in a nearby county..."


This is just one example, do some online searching and you'll find story after story of Trumps minions making it more difficult to vote. Our federal elections require federal oversight, not some local white supremacists deciding who's eligible and who's not.

Btw, how's that wall coming along?...

People can vote in all sorts of ways including absentee ballots or just by showing up at the polls on election day like we used to do for a couple centuries. The idea that eligible voters in 21st century America can't vote is simply not credible. It's no more credible than the claim that people can't get ID. The wall? Coming along fine.
 
People can vote in all sorts of ways including absentee ballots or just by showing up at the polls on election day like we used to do for a couple centuries. The idea that eligible voters in 21st century America can't vote is simply not credible. It's no more credible than the claim that people can't get ID. The wall? Coming along fine.

Please don't jump to conclusions. I said it was more difficult to vote and the article I linked was sounding the alarm on Texans who give a majority black school 3 days of early voting, verses a white majority school who are given 2 weeks for early voting.

The Repubs old method of keeping the black vote down through poll taxes have been replaced with making it more difficult for them to vote. Everyone should have the same opportunity to vote and it should be made much easier for everyone. That requires the feds, not locals who's fathers and grandfathers enacted and enforced poll taxes.

One year left on the wall, they better get a move on...
 
In the short term, the GOP will be a minority party but will adjust it's platform to a more centrist platform and become competitive again. As the wave of baby boomers fades away, control of the GOP will be fought between the far right and the more center right. I expect the far right will be too weakend living under DNC majority and will fail to win over the GOP.

Guarantee the GOP in the near future will pretend the Trump era never existed.
 
Texas and AZ are going to be Blue states in the near future
Whoever told you Texas would be turning blue in the near future lied to you.

The exodus from California may flip Arizona, but it is not a given. After all, people fleeing California are not well disposed toward something in the state.

Dems will never win Florida again, thank gosh. Nelson was defeated and Gillium was a joke for a candidate for governor.
Don't say never, but the state is moving from pink toward red.

Maybe over time but not in 9 months. Democrats running on the elimination of fossil fuels are not going to win states who's livelihood depend of fossil fuels. It's a no brainer.
That's one reason. High taxes is another. Why do you think so many Democrats are moving to Texas and Florida--no state income tax.

Please man. You're like walking leftwing boilerplate. If you paid attention, I said this is why Dems oppose border security AND favor blanket amnesty. IOW, illegals can keep pouring in, be made citizens and then rushed to the polls by their Democrat handlers. Everyone knows the drill and nobody is fooled at all. Also, cleaning voter rolls of dead and ineligible voters is something we should all want but Democrats want the most muddled, confused and disorderly system they can get. It abets their fraud. Then, they get quite upset at anyone pointing it out. You are example A.
Nice turn of phrase, but many of the posters have no idea what boilerplate is. To me it sounds like a talking point page.

Guarantee the GOP in the near future will pretend the Trump era never existed.
A guarantee is only worth as much as the person giving it.
 
Because elections in the US arent federal. They are state run. Not sure exactly what would be needed to change all that, but the US has state funding, rules, laws etc that govern elections.

Too many Republican state legislatures are using changes to their voter ID laws as a means of suppressing voter turnout by erecting barriers that discourage voting.
I admire the pragmatic solution of making voter ID universal in all states and possessions. But we live in 50 different nations much like the EU countries.
No good reason why someone who is a legal citizen of the US should be unable to meet Voter Registration requirements regardless where they might move.
However, in reality, our national structure reserves many powers for the states.
This is a hold over from our formation when 13 distinct colonies argued about giving up governing power to a mutual central government.
This decentralized state power makes our nation extremely diverse while creating numerous challenges for Americans--some good, some not so good.
Some states choose to spend less on schools and become known for subpar education for their children.
Some states are more intolerant or inhospitable to certain types of business, or women's reproductive rights, or immigrants.
Americans need to consider the state laws that will govern them if we move.
 
Guarantee the GOP in the near future will pretend the Trump era never existed.

I have wondered lately if the US would be better off were we to have several strong vibrant political parties rather than only the two majors.
The concept of forming coalition governments by having two or more parties agree to cooperate in order to form a governing majority works in many nations.
One obvious benefit were we to have say 6 or 7 decent national parties would be the making it unnecessary for the Democrats to include both moderates and far-left under the same banner.
And Republicans would be able to join a more moderate party rather than be held hostage by the Trumpers. Independents might support a libertarian wing and a strict Constitutionalist party.
 
Please man. You're like walking leftwing boilerplate. If you paid attention, I said this is why Dems oppose border security AND favor blanket amnesty.

Again, you are lying. Democrats have NEVER opposed border security, nor favored "blanket amnesty". You and I both know you cannot identify any democrats who has taken those ridiculous claims. So, clearly, you are just lying, and hoping to get away with it.

Sorry, but that only works on some of the alt-right message boards and fake news sources where you people get most of your "facts" and "news".



IOW, illegals can keep pouring in, be made citizens and then rushed to the polls by their Democrat handlers.
:lamo
IOW....you simply cannot control your lies. Once again, you and I both know that "illegals" are not "being made citizens". Not in Texas. Not ANYWHERE. That's an ignorant, fake-news LIE that you and your ilk aren't smart enough to see through. And the only morons being "rushed to polls by their handlers", are the empty-headed alt-righties who support Trump's GOP.


Everyone knows the drill and nobody is fooled at all.
:lamo
So you and all of your empty-headed buddies "know the drill", huh? You good people "know" that "illegals are being made citizens and rushed to the polls" somewhere (anywhere?) in America?

Really???

Great! Since you "know the drill", I'm sure you are prepared with some examples of some "illegals being made citizens", right?

Please, post ONE SUCH EXAMPLE for us...or just admit that you are a fool who deserves ridicule, ok?

Also, cleaning voter rolls of dead and ineligible voters is something we should all want but Democrats want the most muddled, confused and disorderly system they can get. It abets their fraud.
Another lie. The FACTS clearly prove that there is ZERO evidence of ANY kind of systemic voter fraud problem in this country. In particular, in-person voter fraud is almost LITERALLY non-existent. So, again, please stop whining when people call you out for lying. That's not name-calling. It's truth-calling.


Then, they get quite upset at anyone pointing it out. You are example A.
...says the pseudo-Christian, white nationalist Trump acolyte who is constantly whining about having his lies called out and discredited on this board. In this case, you got caught lying again about voter fraud and immigration issues. Of course, you can prove me wrong simply by documenting examples of "illegals being made citizens", right?

I know you'll dodge the challenge, because that what you people do. It's your only defense against FACT-based arguments.
 
Whoever told you Texas would be turning blue in the near future lied to you.

The exodus from California may flip Arizona, but it is not a given. After all, people fleeing California are not well disposed toward something in the state.


Don't say never, but the state is moving from pink toward red.


That's one reason. High taxes is another. Why do you think so many Democrats are moving to Texas and Florida--no state income tax.


Nice turn of phrase, but many of the posters have no idea what boilerplate is. To me it sounds like a talking point page.


A guarantee is only worth as much as the person giving it.

People can vote in all sorts of ways including absentee ballots or just by showing up at the polls on election day like we used to do for a couple centuries. The idea that eligible voters in 21st century America can't vote is simply not credible. It's no more credible than the claim that people can't get ID. The wall? Coming along fine.

Come on! Are you actually denying that the Republican Party has been passing more obstacles that must be met in order to vote?
It is well documented that in nearly every state house where the GOP is the majority either the Republican governor or the Republican state legislature
has passed new laws restricting voters unless certain actions are taken.
 
Depends on if they can make tRump dictator first.
 
Come on! Are you actually denying that the Republican Party has been passing more obstacles that must be met in order to vote?
It is well documented that in nearly every state house where the GOP is the majority either the Republican governor or the Republican state legislature
has passed new laws restricting voters unless certain actions are taken.
Only if you consider a photo ID restrictive, which is pretty cheesy.
 
Texas and AZ are going to be Blue states in the near future

California will matter less and less as time goes on as the middle class is fleeing the state in large numbers do yo the exorbitant cost of living in that states, which is one of the reasons I left. At tome point the state will control less and less electoral college votes. While many of those leaving California aare going to Texas, the real reason the state has been trending less red is illegal immigration. That is now getting shut down to a trickle. Texas will not go blue any time soon.
 
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