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What Will Be The Future of The Republican Party When These States Turn Blue?

You will notice that I said republican and not conservative.

Hell, I still consider myself to be relatively conservative. Of the classic white hat cowboy variety.

The kind of conservativism where the strong protected the weak.

As opposed to modern conservatism, where they guys in the white hats hold the sheep ranchers down so the cattle barons can have their way with them, all the while blaming their plight on the folks with their faces in the mud and not those paying to have them held down.

Do you know ANYTHING about”modern conservatism”?


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Obviously.

The actual behavior of the ideology, not the propaganda frosting provided by conservative narrative managers.
 
You will notice that I said republican and not conservative.

Hell, I still consider myself to be relatively conservative. Of the classic white hat cowboy variety.

The kind of conservativism where the strong protected the weak.

As opposed to modern conservatism, where they guys in the white hats hold the sheep ranchers down so the cattle barons can have their way with them, all the while blaming their plight on the folks with their faces in the mud and not those paying to have them held down.

Yes, I noticed. That's why I said what a spin that was.
 
That's the point of my comment. Voter ID laws should be made national. One set of requirements that are uniform. Who gave anyone the right to manipulate voter requirements at will to put their fingers on the scale?

Voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following: "Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" (15th Amendment, 1870) "On account of sex" (19th Amendment, 1920) "By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax" for federal elections (24th Amendment, 1964
Voting and Election Laws | USAGov

Can anyone give me one reason why the United States can't pass an amendment that unifies the voting requirements for every state in this country?

Because elections in the US arent federal. They are state run. Not sure exactly what would be needed to change all that, but the US has state funding, rules, laws etc that govern elections.
 
Texas and AZ are going to be Blue states in the near future

Democrats are running on the elimination of fossil fuels and you think Texas will just decide to decapitate itself, shut down all of its refineries, wells, drilling, (Which is only about 80% of its economy) to be a blue state?

That would be like saying Michigan and North Carolina are shutting down automotive manufacturing and tobacco farming for the Heart & Lung association.
 
Its good to remember that as an actual party republicanism is dying away.

Something like only 28% of people identify as republican, although many independents just call themselves that and vote republican the vast majority of the time.

Neither party does very well anymore. Independents seem to be taking over.

As of December 2019, Gallup polling found that 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.

percent that identify as republican and democrat - Google Search
 
Because elections in the US arent federal. They are state run. Not sure exactly what would be needed to change all that, but the US has state funding, rules, laws etc that govern elections.

Certainly there are elections at the state level, but a presidential election is a federal election. There's no good reason that I can imagine for not enacting uniform voter registration standards across the country for a presidential election.
 
There isn’t any evidence of that.



Only that CA has voted for the Dem prez candidate in the last 7 elections and is currently registered voters 43% Dem, 24% Rep and 28% Ind (other). NY voted Dem prez the last 7 elections and is currently registered 50.5% Dem, 22% Rep and 27.5% Ind. Gov in CA has been Dem the last 2, is mostly mixed historically. Only God knows how long the legislature has been Dem in CA. NY has had a Dem gov since 1974. The Senate is now Dem, though historically mixed but mostly Rep. The Assembly has been Dem going back to at least 1992.
 
Certainly there are elections at the state level, but a presidential election is a federal election. There's no good reason that I can imagine for not enacting uniform voter registration standards across the country for a presidential election.

They actually arent federal either.

Federal elections are administered by state and local governments, although the specifics of how elections are conducted differ between the states. The Constitution and laws of the United States grant the states wide latitude in how they administer elections.

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Yes, I noticed. That's why I said what a spin that was.

So just the standard right tactic of declaring victory and walking away from things they'd rather not talk about?

Color me surprised.
 
Neither party does very well anymore. Independents seem to be taking over.

As of December 2019, Gallup polling found that 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.

percent that identify as republican and democrat - Google Search

Yet they have no party, so they're just paper tigers at the end of the day.

His small does a party have to be before it is allowed to just die?

I would prefer we follow Washington's advice and do away with the two party system entirely.

But that's not what the donor class wants, so that's not what we're gonna get
 
So just the standard right tactic of declaring victory and walking away from things they'd rather not talk about?

Color me surprised.

LOL. It is the left who never want to talk about investigations of their side. Investigations against a democratic candidate is trying to influence elections but investigations against Trump or Republicans is our civic duty to save our democracy.
 
LOL. It is the left who never want to talk about investigations of their side. Investigations against a democratic candidate is trying to influence elections but investigations against Trump or Republicans is our civic duty to save our democracy.

I was unaware that hunter was running for office.

Shady as it is, there is no there there.

Just incoherent conspiracy theories from folks with no credibility.

You know, disgruntled former employees with an axe to grind. Shokin, Lutsenko (you do know he has retracted all of his earlier claims, right? Of course you don't. That would destroy your narratives)

And lets pin this right here: all of your conspiracies regarding Ukrainian interference are based on outing Manafort's illegal activities. That's what trump believes constitutes "election interference". That's the whole "conspiracy".

Why do y'all never get mad at the folks who routinely make you look foolish defending the indefensible?
 
Since you are so good at math, please add up Texas and Arizona compared to Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. While you're at it, you should also add in Iowa to the right's total. They used to be blue.

Demographics are destiny.

It's only a matter of time until Texas and Arizona turn blue. That's really not arguable. In addition, the SAME demographics behind the trends in Texas and Arizona, will also transition states like Georgia

So, the FACTS show that, when that happens, FOUR of the five states with the most electoral votes (i.e. Cali (#1), Texas (#2), NY (#3) and Illinois (#5)) will be "Blue". Those 4, alone, account for 142 of the 270 EV required to win the presidency. Furthermore, of the top dozen EV states, only one (i.e. Ohio) can be considered reliably "red" at this point. The remainder are either be reliably "blue" (i.e. Ca, Tx, NY, Illinois, N.J.), or will be considered the "purple" states of the future (i.e. NC, Ga, Pa, Fla, Va). And, realistically, not even Ohio can be considered "safely red" in the future.

It is no small coincidence that the most reliably "red" states in the country tend to share three primary traits:
  • -(1) they are the LEAST DIVERSE (racially and culturally). In other words, they are the "whitest" states in the country. Seven of the 10 "whitest" states (and 10 of the 15 "whitest" states) in the country, are "bright red" states.
  • -(2) they are among the LOWEST POPULATED states in the country.
  • -(3) they are among the LEAST EDUCATED states in the country


So it's clear why the ONLY pathway to electoral victory for the modern GOP is VOTER SUPPRESSION. GOP'ers have understood this for a while now.
 
My experience has been that "Hispanics," at least those who adhere to the Catholic faith, are fairly conservative. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona have had significant Hispanic populations, and been "Red" for many years.

IMO the "trend" to Blue is coming from the strangest of sources...Left-Leaning Liberals fleeing from the "utopias" of California, New York, and other "high tax" States.

:lamo

Well, I think it's clear that the problem with your analysis is "your experience".

Minority voters, while overwhelmingly religious, have very little in common with the social/political agenda of the Religious/Evangelical Right in this country. Latino voters, like African-American voters, are voters who are much less likely to vote based upon the issues that motivate the religious/evangelical Right (i.e. abortion rights, school prayer, school vouchers, etc.).

The reason that states like Texas and Arizona are trending blue is that these groups (particularly latinos) are finally becoming engaged/active voters. Texas, for example, is already a majority minority state. The reason statewide elections in Texas are becoming competitive is directly tied to increased voter participation among Latino and A-A voters.

And, to make matters worse (for your side), we also know that states like Florida (53.3%), Georgia (53.4%), Louisiana (58%) and even Mississippi (56%) will become "Majority Minority" states, within the next 25 years.
 
"Are we dispose to be of the number of those who having eyes, see not and having ears, here not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation"?

-Patrick Henry


Are you ready?

In 2012, Cruz won the senate election over the Dem candidate by 15 points

In 2018, Cruz wins just by 3 points over BETTO(Dem)

This is Texas guy! Wake up!

Did you know that Hillary(Dem) got a 1/2 a million more votes than Obama got in 2012 in TEXAS?

Yes, "for the times they're a changing"
LOL, nice cherry-picking. Not sure how one Democrat (Hillary) being another Democrat (Obama) eight years ago means Texas is Turning blue. In 2016 Trump beat Hillary by almost 2 million votes.
 
I was unaware that hunter was running for office.

Shady as it is, there is no there there.

Just incoherent conspiracy theories from folks with no credibility.

You know, disgruntled former employees with an axe to grind. Shokin, Lutsenko (you do know he has retracted all of his earlier claims, right? Of course you don't. That would destroy your narratives)

And lets pin this right here: all of your conspiracies regarding Ukrainian interference are based on outing Manafort's illegal activities. That's what trump believes constitutes "election interference". That's the whole "conspiracy".

Why do y'all never get mad at the folks who routinely make you look foolish defending the indefensible?

Seriously? I can't believe you just said that. You guys wanted to impeach Trump for investigating Hunter Biden, claiming that it would interfere in our elections and now you're admitting that Hunter Biden wasn't even running for office.
 
Demographics are destiny.

It's only a matter of time until Texas and Arizona turn blue. That's really not arguable. In addition, the SAME demographics behind the trends in Texas and Arizona, will also transition states like Georgia

So, the FACTS show that, when that happens, FOUR of the five states with the most electoral votes (i.e. Cali (#1), Texas (#2), NY (#3) and Illinois (#5)) will be "Blue". Those 4, alone, account for 142 of the 270 EV required to win the presidency. Furthermore, of the top dozen EV states, only one (i.e. Ohio) can be considered reliably "red" at this point. The remainder are either be reliably "blue" (i.e. Ca, Tx, NY, Illinois, N.J.), or will be considered the "purple" states of the future (i.e. NC, Ga, Pa, Fla, Va). And, realistically, not even Ohio can be considered "safely red" in the future.

It is no small coincidence that the most reliably "red" states in the country tend to share three primary traits:
  • -(1) they are the LEAST DIVERSE (racially and culturally). In other words, they are the "whitest" states in the country. Seven of the 10 "whitest" states (and 10 of the 15 "whitest" states) in the country, are "bright red" states.
  • -(2) they are among the LOWEST POPULATED states in the country.
  • -(3) they are among the LEAST EDUCATED states in the country


So it's clear why the ONLY pathway to electoral victory for the modern GOP is VOTER SUPPRESSION. GOP'ers have understood this for a while now.

Just watched a couple of episodes of Back To The Future recently. They have some very good advice in those movies in that there are no destinies and that the future hasn't been written yet and that the future is whatever we make it. It is not pre-determined. Back in 2016, before Trump even became the nominee, many of you lefties were saying the Republican party was dead, never to be seen again. Then, when Trump won the nomination, you were doubled over laughing hysterically and putting the final nail in the Republican party's coffin.
 
Seriously? I can't believe you just said that. You guys wanted to impeach Trump for investigating Hunter Biden, claiming that it would interfere in our elections and now you're admitting that Hunter Biden wasn't even running for office.

Was this a joke, or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Trump was impeached, and not for investigating Hunter Biden. If he seriously believed that Hunter Biden needed to be investigated, he could (and would) have simply directed his own AG to look into the matter. That's what ANY law-abiding American President would have done.

So, no, Trump was impeached for flagrantly violating federal laws (and the Constitution) regarding foreign influence in domestic elections...and for obstructing any/all attempts to investigate his actions by Congress.

Trump didn't care about any investigation of Hunter Biden. He only wanted Ukraine to issue a public ANNOUNCEMENT of an investigation of Biden's son, so that Trump could use that to attack Joe Biden himself. You know that, I'm sure. So why put out such an ignorant response?
 
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Just watched a couple of episodes of Back To The Future recently. They have some very good advice in those movies in that there are no destinies and that the future hasn't been written yet and that the future is whatever we make it.

:lamo

It's always been a source of humor, for me, to see how righties like you belie of the professed disdain you have for the "Hollywood Left" (etc.)...when it suits you.

But you'll have to forgive me for not taking seriously the "wisdom" you believe you have gleaned from the movie "Back to the Future".

In the REAL WORLD, it's clear that demographic changes will doom the modern GOP, unless it changes it's politics of hate, division and disenfranchisement toward the non-white, non-Evangelical/Conservative Catholic majority of the American electorate.
 
But Liberal on such things as Healthcare and education

Let's be honest with ourselves here. Almost no one else in the world shares the same views as the USA on healthcare. And not many other developed countries share our views on higher education.
 
Was this a joke, or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Trump was impeached, and not for investigating Hunter Biden. If he seriously believed that Hunter Biden needed to be investigated, he could (and would) have simply directed his own AG to look into the matter. That's what ANY law-abiding American President would have done.

So, no, Trump was impeached for flagrantly violating federal laws (and the Constitution) regarding foreign influence in domestic elections...and for obstructing any/all attempts to investigate his actions by Congress.

Trump didn't care about any investigation of Hunter Biden. He only wanted Ukraine to issue a public ANNOUNCEMENT of an investigation of Biden's son, so that Trump could use that to attack Joe Biden himself. You know that, I'm sure. So why put out such an ignorant response?

The AG can't conduct much of an investigation into the inner workings of a foreign government or their businesses. And, if you're honest, which you aren't, if Trump would have asked the AG to investigate the Bidens you would have still cried foul.
 
Seriously? I can't believe you just said that. You guys wanted to impeach Trump for investigating Hunter Biden, claiming that it would interfere in our elections and now you're admitting that Hunter Biden wasn't even running for office.

I'm sorry, I thought you were a thinking adult who knew that hunter's dad was, at the time, trumps most likely rival in the upcoming election.

Or that of all the corruption in Ukraine, that was the only corruption that trump was interested in.

And that he orchestrated a smear campaign against a career diplomat when he could have just fired her.

And that he withheld congressionally authorized funds without even obeying the law and informing congress he was doing so.

And worse withheld public appearances with Ukraine's new administration, making them look weak to Putin, unless of course Zelenskyy announced those investigations into the bidens.

And you really don't want to get me started on the second part of the perfect call.

The part where a rich Ukrainian has the DNC servers hidden at his business crowdstrike, in Ukraine and trump would like Zelenskyy to do him a favor by looking into it.

Imagine how you would feel if you were the new president of a troubled country in a hot war with Russia and the president you absolutely need the support of asked you to find something that simply does not exist.

Its not even a ****ing coherent conspiracy, but an apparent amalgam of more than one.

But please continue to prove you have no knowledge of this subject not Spoon fed to you by the narrative managers in your mediasphere.

Keep trying to convince yourself your boy isn't corrupt when he's been ****ing sanctioned twice to the tune of millions of dollars, for corrupt behavior, since taking occupancy of the whitehouse.

It's all going to come out, in the world we live in today.

Do you really want these posts out there forever when you've had to face the truth that you have been made.a fool of?
 
:lamo

It's always been a source of humor, for me, to see how righties like you belie of the professed disdain you have for the "Hollywood Left" (etc.)...when it suits you.

But you'll have to forgive me for not taking seriously the "wisdom" you believe you have gleaned from the movie "Back to the Future".

In the REAL WORLD, it's clear that demographic changes will doom the modern GOP, unless it changes it's politics of hate, division and disenfranchisement toward the non-white, non-Evangelical/Conservative Catholic majority of the American electorate.

In the real world Trump and the Republicans won big in 2016 after the left said the party was dead forever and you're absolutely terrified that Trump could win again in 2020. Even Adam Schiff said we can't leave this up to the voters.
 
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