• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

All Americans should fear what happens next

Sandy Shanks said:
Emboldened by his victory and determined to strike back, Trump fired Gordon D. Sondland, the ambassador to the European Union hours after firing Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, a decorated Iraq war veteran who was a Ukraine expert on the National Security Council and spoke the language. Vindman will sorely missed on the NSC.

Sondland and Vindman join Marie L. Yovanovitch, the fired ambassador to Ukraine, William B. Taylor Jr., who replaced her and was "essentially brought back early," Jennifer Williams, a career official detailed to Pence’s office and quietly left, Fiona Hill, the Europe policy chief at the National Security Council, Tim Morrison .who replaced her, quitting on October 31, Kurt D. Volker, the special envoy for Ukraine, who resigned days before testifying, and last but not least Yevgeny Vindman who had nothing to do with the impeachment proceedings but he was Alexander's twin brother.

They join Flynn, Spicer, Sanders, Priebus, Bannon, Hicks, Shah, Porter, Cohn, Short, McGahn, Coats, Mattis, Perry, Acosta, Tillerson, McMasters, Bolton, Sessions, Zinke, Nielsen, Kelly, Price, Shulkin, and those are just the high profile officials who have left Trump. Trump has a turnover rate of 78 percent of the top echelon. There are countless others who were fired or quit.
Click to expand...

The Pentagon's top policy official who warned against withholding military aid to Ukraine last year resigned on Wednesday at the request of President Donald Trump, according to his resignation letter.

John Rood, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, is the latest senior national security official involved in the Ukraine controversy to be forced out following Trump's acquittal in the Senate impeachment trial.

In an in your face gesture to the American people, Trump, who fashions himself as the chief law enforcement officer in the land, pardoned eleven felons on Tuesday.

Trump, according to the Republican Senate, can do anything he wants. Who is going to stop him? With the blessings of the Senate, Trump has even usurped the power of the purse from Congress. According to a recent vote, Trump Republicans have given Trump the power to wage war. Good Lord, heaven help us.

Thank you, Senators.

The American people will have their final say on this matter in November, and most of those Republican Senators will be unemployed this time next year.

Trump's fans are largely staying away from this thread. In a way, I don't blame them. What can they say?
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Accomplishments like pardoning eleven felons on Tuesday. A Complete List of Trump’s Pardons and Commutations - The New York Times

Trump insists he is the chief law enforcement officer in the land.

Trump is also the chief stand-up comic in the land.
Click to expand...

Sorry I am late to get back but like you I was glued to the tube watching the Trump Rally last night in Phoenix and tonight another one. Great times.
As for your pardon BS let me remind you,
The following is a partial list of people pardoned by Bill Clinton.[1] As President, Bill Clinton used his power under the U.S. Constitution to grant pardons and clemency to 456 people, thus commuting the sentences of those already convicted of a crime, and obviating a trial for those not yet convicted. On January 20, 2001, he pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency.
List of people pardoned by Bill Clinton - Wikiwand
 
Last edited:
Redwing said:
Sorry I am late to get back but like you I was glued to the tube watching the Trump Rally last night in Phoenix and tonight another one. Great times.
As for your pardon BS let me remind you,
The following is a partial list of people pardoned by Bill Clinton.[1] As President, Bill Clinton used his power under the U.S. Constitution to grant pardons and clemency to 456 people, thus commuting the sentences of those already convicted of a crime, and obviating a trial for those not yet convicted. On January 20, 2001, he pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency.
List of people pardoned by Bill Clinton - Wikiwand
Click to expand...

Yes, I understand. Trump began his reelection campaign on Jan. 21, 2017. He has never stopped. He loves getting out of Washington and being with his adoring admirers.

All you could do in defense of Trump is bring up a President we had 20 years ago. Two wrongs don't make a right. I didn't care much for Clinton. I was a Republican then. Trump has caused me to leave the GOP. I am now a conservative Independent.

Well, at least you are trying to defend Trump. That's more than I can say for most of Trump's fans. They are ignoring this thread. They don't particularly care for truth and reality.
 
Last edited:
Sandy Shanks said:
The Pentagon's top policy official who warned against withholding military aid to Ukraine last year resigned on Wednesday at the request of President Donald Trump, according to his resignation letter.

John Rood, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, is the latest senior national security official involved in the Ukraine controversy to be forced out following Trump's acquittal in the Senate impeachment trial.

In an in your face gesture to the American people, Trump, who fashions himself as the chief law enforcement officer in the land, pardoned eleven felons on Tuesday.

Trump, according to the Republican Senate, can do anything he wants. Who is going to stop him? With the blessings of the Senate, Trump has even usurped the power of the purse from Congress. According to a recent vote, Trump Republicans have given Trump the power to wage war. Good Lord, heaven help us.
Click to expand...

Sandy Shanks said:
Trump is threatening the defense of our country.

The Post reports, "The Defense Department said it is diverting $3.83 billion from elsewhere in its budget to build *177 more miles of President Trump’s border barrier, setting in motion a broader White House plan to take some $7.2 billion from the Pentagon budget this year for the project without congressional approval as Trump heads into the election.

The Pentagon informed Congress on Thursday of its plans to divert the $3.83 billion from the purchase of aircraft and other equipment and instead use the funds for the construction of border barriers. The Pentagon is moving the money using a counternarcotics law that allows the Defense Department to build fencing for other federal, state and local agencies in known drug-smuggling corridors."

That is dangerously stupid. Drug smugglers do not use illegal means to enter our country. That use legal means. Drug smugglers do not cross our border illegally. They use the high seas instead. Trump's wall will not dent drug smuggling one tiny bit. It is quite obvious that SecDef Mark Esper is a Trump stooge.

The Post continues, According to budget documents reviewed by The Washington Post, the Pentagon is pulling the funding from two F-35 fighter jets and two Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft for the Marine Corps; one P-8A reconnaissance aircraft for the Navy; and four C-130J transport planes and eight MQ-9 Reaper drones for the Air Force.

In addition, funding will be diverted from programs to update Humvees and trucks for the Army, buy $1.3 billion in “miscellaneous” new equipment for the National Guard and Reserves and develop certain U.S. Navy vessels.
Click to expand...

In an in your face gesture to the American people, Trump has appointed a political hack as the Director of National Intelligence (DNI).

NPR reports, "Trump has named Richard Grenell, the vocal and controversial U.S. ambassador to Germany, as the new acting director of national intelligence, replacing the current acting head of the nation's 17 spy agencies.

"Grenell, who has been the U.S. envoy to Berlin since May 2018, is known to be fiercely loyal to Trump, but critics have noted that he has no background in intelligence and no top-level management experience."

Here is a link to a bio of Grenell. Richard Grenell - Wikipedia Please note he has zero experience in intelligence, none, nada, zilch. Trump can only name him as acting DNI because he would never be confirmed in the Trump Republican Senate.

Charles P. Pierce writes, "Grenell’s primary occupation prior to being a terrible ambassador to Germany was as an Internet pest. Trump sent him to Germany, where he promptly got sideways with the government there by playing footsie with what are described as “far-right elements.” Perhaps it eluded Ambassador Grenell during his extensive diplomatic training on Twitter, but the Germans are rather touchy about stuff like that. Adding more absurdity to an already preposterous situation, it is apparently the intention of the administration* to have Grenell be a terrible ambassador to Germany and a terrible DNI at the same time."

Trump has gone rogue. Not even his followers can defend him. Thanks again, Senators.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
In an in your face gesture to the American people, Trump has appointed a political hack as the Director of National Intelligence (DNI).

NPR reports, "Trump has named Richard Grenell, the vocal and controversial U.S. ambassador to Germany, as the new acting director of national intelligence, replacing the current acting head of the nation's 17 spy agencies.

"Grenell, who has been the U.S. envoy to Berlin since May 2018, is known to be fiercely loyal to Trump, but critics have noted that he has no background in intelligence and no top-level management experience."

Here is a link to a bio of Grenell. Richard Grenell - Wikipedia Please note he has zero experience in intelligence, none, nada, zilch. Trump can only name him as acting DNI because he would never be confirmed in the Trump Republican Senate.

Charles P. Pierce writes, "Grenell’s primary occupation prior to being a terrible ambassador to Germany was as an Internet pest. Trump sent him to Germany, where he promptly got sideways with the government there by playing footsie with what are described as “far-right elements.” Perhaps it eluded Ambassador Grenell during his extensive diplomatic training on Twitter, but the Germans are rather touchy about stuff like that. Adding more absurdity to an already preposterous situation, it is apparently the intention of the administration* to have Grenell be a terrible ambassador to Germany and a terrible DNI at the same time."

Trump has gone rogue. Not even his followers can defend him. Thanks again, Senators.
Click to expand...

The Times reported that lawmakers were told Russia is interfering in the 2020 election specifically to get Trump reelected. The president is reportedly concerned that Democrats will use that information against him as the campaign season kicks into high gear.

Trump replaced Joseph Maguire as his acting director of national intelligence with another acting director of national intelligence after Maguire enraged Trump by authorizing a congressional briefing on Russia's election interference, according to the Washington Post and The New York Times.

Trump replaced top spy chief after spat on Russia'''s 2020 election meddling - Business Insider

The report was made to the House Intelligence Committee. Adam Schiff chairs the House Intelligence Committee. It would appear that a lot of people in the Trump government do not like Trump. Nearly every day the turnover rate in the Trump government scores another record.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
The Times reported that lawmakers were told Russia is interfering in the 2020 election specifically to get Trump reelected. The president is reportedly concerned that Democrats will use that information against him as the campaign season kicks into high gear.

Trump replaced Joseph Maguire as his acting director of national intelligence with another acting director of national intelligence after Maguire enraged Trump by authorizing a congressional briefing on Russia's election interference, according to the Washington Post and The New York Times.

Trump replaced top spy chief after spat on Russia'''s 2020 election meddling - Business Insider

The report was made to the House Intelligence Committee. Adam Schiff chairs the House Intelligence Committee. It would appear that a lot of people in the Trump government do not like Trump. Nearly every day the turnover rate in the Trump government scores another record.
Click to expand...
McGuire's term expires in 3 weeks.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
 
Eriech said:
McGuire's term expires in 3 weeks.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

He's gone. Trump thanked Maguire for his service on Wednesday in announcing the change, tweeting “we look forward to working with him closely, perhaps in another capacity within the Administration!”
 
Sandy Shanks said:
He's gone. Trump thanked Maguire for his service on Wednesday in announcing the change, tweeting “we look forward to working with him closely, perhaps in another capacity within the Administration!”
Click to expand...
I should have said would have expired in 3 weeks anyway.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump replaced Joseph Maguire as his acting director of national intelligence with another acting director of national intelligence after Maguire enraged Trump by authorizing a congressional briefing on Russia's election interference, according to the Washington Post and The New York Times.
Click to expand...

The Director of National Intelligence was summoned by the House Intelligence Committee to provide a threat assessment of the Russian threat to our Presidential election. The DNI, Joseph Maquire, as was his duty, complied with the demand and was summarily fired by Trump because he obeyed our laws and our Constitution. He was replaced by a political hack, Richard Grenell, who has zero experience in intelligence, but is a loyal Trump stooge who previously worked for Fox News.

To this "in your face," outrageous decision by Trump, Republicans had little to say except to complain that the report should not have been so comprehensive.

Trump's followers have little or nothing to say, either, and the ever loyal crowd certainly is not critical of Trump as he continues to fire White House staffers and creating chaos within the federal government.

Obviously, Trump's followers continue to support him as he proceeds to dismantle our government (see other posts on this thread, review the OP). As can be seen, Trump's followers do not even bother to defend him. Only one conclusion can be made. As chaos reigns in Washington, most of Trump's followers are anarchists. They like what they are seeing.

We know we can't count on Congress to do anything. Congress simply rubber stamps anything Trump does. This needs to be remedied in November.

That is, if it is not too late.
 
Last edited:
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump's followers have little or nothing to say, either, and the ever loyal crowd certainly is not critical of Trump as he continues to fire White House staffers and creating chaos within the federal government.

Obviously, Trump's followers continue to support him as he proceeds to dismantle our government (see other posts on this thread, review the OP). As can be seen, Trump's followers do not even bother to defend him. Only one conclusion can be made. As chaos reigns in Washington, most of Trump's followers are anarchists. They like what they are seeing.
Click to expand...

Fox News, euphemistically called the Trump Network, lies continuously in support of Trump. Watching the noon news with Bill Hemmer, there was a video of Trump saying at a Nevada campaign rally Friday that Democrats are trying to start a “rumor” about Russia interfering in the 2020 presidential election on his behalf, calling them “sick” and “crazy.”

Trump was lying. It was not a rumor. It was a threat assessment provided by the Trump government. It was presented by Trump appointee, DNI Joseph McQuire, not the Democrats. Hemmer smiling, self- assured countenance appeared and he said nothing about Trump's multiple lies. Trump fans listening were left with the impression Trump was telling the truth. That it was all a Democratic ruse.

During the news hour, White House correspondent, john Roberts, talked about the fact that Russia was interfering in our Presidential election on Trump's behalf again. Roberts reported that White House officials are tired of the accusation that Russia swayed the 2016 election in Trump's favor. No responsible person, not a reporter, not a Democratic lawmaker, not a responsible Trump critic, is saying that. What many are saying is what our intelligence was telling us at the time. Russia interfered in our 2016 election on Trump's behalf. No responsible source has been able to assess the effectiveness of the Russian interference.

The smiling Hemmer didn't correct that lie, either.

There is little wonder why Trump's fans stay loyal. Like Fox News, they, too, avoid reality and Fox helps them.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Fox News, euphemistically called the Trump Network, lies continuously in support of Trump. Watching the noon news with Bill Hemmer, there was a video of Trump saying at a Nevada campaign rally Friday that Democrats are trying to start a “rumor” about Russia interfering in the 2020 presidential election on his behalf, calling them “sick” and “crazy.”

Trump was lying. It was not a rumor. It was a threat assessment provided by the Trump government. It was presented by Trump appointee, DNI Joseph McQuire, not the Democrats. Hemmer smiling, self- assured countenance appeared and he said nothing about Trump's multiple lies. Trump fans listening were left with the impression Trump was telling the truth. That it was all a Democratic ruse.

During the news hour, White House correspondent, john Roberts, talked about the fact that Russia was interfering in our Presidential election on Trump's behalf again. Roberts reported that White House officials are tired of the accusation that Russia swayed the 2016 election in Trump's favor. No responsible person, not a reporter, not a Democratic lawmaker, not a responsible Trump critic, is saying that. What many are saying is what our intelligence was telling us at the time. Russia interfered in our 2016 election on Trump's behalf. No responsible source has been able to assess the effectiveness of the Russian interference.

The smiling Hemmer didn't correct that lie, either.

There is little wonder why Trump's fans stay loyal. Like Fox News, they, too, avoid reality and Fox helps them.
Click to expand...

Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence agencies. Fox News reports, "President Trump and Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff tangled on Twitter ahead of the Nevada caucuses on Saturday over the reports U.S. officials believe Russia is attempting to interfere in the Democratic presidential primary by helping Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The back-and-forth also follows the president’s recent dismissal of reports that the U.S. intelligence community believes Russia wants Trump to win re-election. He has portrayed those reports as nothing more than evidence of a continued vendetta from Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman who played a starring role in the impeachment effort against him."

Trump is a threat to our nation's security. His dismissal of our intell agencies is dangerous.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence agencies. Fox News reports, "President Trump and Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff tangled on Twitter ahead of the Nevada caucuses on Saturday over the reports U.S. officials believe Russia is attempting to interfere in the Democratic presidential primary by helping Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The back-and-forth also follows the president’s recent dismissal of reports that the U.S. intelligence community believes Russia wants Trump to win re-election. He has portrayed those reports as nothing more than evidence of a continued vendetta from Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman who played a starring role in the impeachment effort against him."

Trump is a threat to our nation's security. His dismissal of our intell agencies is dangerous.
Click to expand...

Trump's followers continue to avoid what Trump is doing. No response from them regarding our nation's security.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence agencies. Fox News reports, "President Trump and Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff tangled on Twitter ahead of the Nevada caucuses on Saturday over the reports U.S. officials believe Russia is attempting to interfere in the Democratic presidential primary by helping Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The back-and-forth also follows the president’s recent dismissal of reports that the U.S. intelligence community believes Russia wants Trump to win re-election. He has portrayed those reports as nothing more than evidence of a continued vendetta from Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman who played a starring role in the impeachment effort against him."

Trump is a threat to our nation's security. His dismissal of our intell agencies is dangerous.
Click to expand...

ttwtt78640 said:
Who needs more responses when you are so busy responding to yourself?
Click to expand...

By tying related posts together, I am keeping readers informed of recent developments. Effective, isn't it?

Beside, it is not my fault that Trump's fans do not have the balls to defend their hero. Why is that?
 
The Post reports, "Moments after President Trump announced that Vice President Pence will take over the White House’s coronavirus task force, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed that a northern California person has contracted the coronavirus without traveling outside the United States or coming in contact with another patient known to have the infection — the first sign that the disease may be spreading within a local community."

That is so typical of Trump. Instead of selecting a doctor to be in charge of a surging pandemic, he appoints his very own political hack, and one of the most incompetent, obsequious politicians in Washington. Just the kind of man Trump wanted, a loyal lapdog.
 
The Hill reports, "

President Trump is challenging two institutions with crucial roles to play in the next election with a controversial appointment to the intelligence community and tweets directed at the Justice Department.

The intelligence appointment underscored Trump’s priority of loyalty over experience, according to critics, while the tweets complicated proceedings at the Justice Department while creating turmoil for Attorney General William Barr.

This has led to stringent criticisms that he is weakening the Justice Department and intelligence community, two institutions with crucial roles in our nation's security."
 
Sandy Shanks said:
By tying related posts together, I am keeping readers informed of recent developments. Effective, isn't it?

Beside, it is not my fault that Trump's fans do not have the balls to defend their hero. Why is that?
Click to expand...
Why is that? According to the left we only have 10.6 years left.....or is it 11.4? 9.3? It is hard to keep track. I am partying accordingly. At this point what difference does it make? I want to see lots of heads exploding on our way out.

I flew through Atlanta today; actually saw fewer masks than normal. Full planes.

Funny how a political novice and a "political hack" can get it done.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
 
Trump has nominated another novice for DNI. See Trump chooses another novice to be his Director of National Intelligence

This is the second time for Ratcliffe. Trump nominated him in July and was forced to withdraw him in August.

Trump just doesn't give a shyt anymore. I'm not sure if he ever did.

Part of the problem is, an experienced intelligence supervisor wants no part of Trump's concept of intelligence. See thread.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump has nominated another novice for DNI. See Trump chooses another novice to be his Director of National Intelligence

This is the second time for Ratcliffe. Trump nominated him in July and was forced to withdraw him in August.

Trump just doesn't give a shyt anymore. I'm not sure if he ever did.

Part of the problem is, an experienced intelligence supervisor wants no part of Trump's concept of intelligence. See thread.
Click to expand...

The Director of National Intelligence was summoned by the House Intelligence Committee to provide a threat assessment of the Russian threat to our Presidential election. The DNI, Joseph Maquire, as was his duty, complied with the demand and was summarily fired by Trump because he obeyed our laws and our Constitution. He was replaced by a political hack, Richard Grenell, who has zero experience in intelligence, but is a loyal Trump stooge who previously worked for Fox News.

To this "in your face," outrageous decision by Trump, Republicans had little to say except to complain that the report should not have been so comprehensive.

Trump's followers have little or nothing to say, either, and the ever loyal crowd certainly is not critical of Trump as he continues to fire White House staffers and creating chaos within the federal government.

Obviously, Trump's followers continue to support him as he proceeds to dismantle our government (see other posts on this thread, review the OP). As can be seen, Trump's followers do not even bother to defend him. Only one conclusion can be made. As chaos reigns in Washington, most of Trump's followers are anarchists. They like what they are seeing.

We know we can't count on Congress to do anything. Congress simply rubber stamps anything Trump does. This needs to be remedied in November.

That is, if it is not too late.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
We are afraid. Trump will further abdicate this country to Vladimir Putin if that happens. Not that the Trump cultist traitors care about this.
Click to expand...

That's the biggest bunch of hoo-haw you folks can come up with, and you think you have something. You are wrong, not one inch of anything has been abdicated. You REALLY should stop listening to MSNBC.
 
Luther said:
Really?

So will they finally do what they say they will do and lower our national deb/deficit?

Will we get the 4,5 and even 6% growth that Trump, promised?
Click to expand...

You got NOTHING with Obama, and now you want MORE from Trump. Come back with the unemployment numbers by race, and you will see just how far we have come.
 
smallvoice said:
You got NOTHING with Obama, and now you want MORE from Trump. Come bac with the uknemployment numbers by race, and you will see just how far we have come.
Click to expand...

You got NOTHING with Obama
Click to expand...

Obama is not Prez, Trump is.. remember, Trump was SUPPOSE to be something different. A great businessman remember?(LOL)



Come back with the unemployment numbers by race,
Click to expand...

Oh yes, you mean all the part time jobs that blacks now have such as working at Burger King? You do know they still can collect the many various forms of welfare right?
 
Luther said:
Obama is not Prez, Trump is.. remember, Trump was SUPPOSE to be something different. A great businessman remember?(LOL)





Oh yes, you mean all the part time jobs that blacks now have such as working at Burger King? You do know they still can collect the many various forms of welfare right?
Click to expand...

Just where were all those "part time" jobs when Obama needed them?
 
smallvoice said:
Just where were all those "part time" jobs when Obama needed them?
Click to expand...

Nowhere

We were still too close to the Great recession

What else
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom