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Does the Iowa caucus software mishap portend Dem ability to run a country?

OscarLevant said:
Oh, I dunno...

how about we ask the parents of children poisoned by Republican water management incompetence in Flint, Michigan?

Maybe they can put the thing into perspective.
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Were the parents of those children able to get on the $5 Billion Democrat healthcare website?
 
lurchadams said:
You have much more trust in the Iowa Democratic party than I.
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I don't trust them at all. I accept facts. I don't do conspiracy theory. Everyone present knows what their precinct finished at. The paper exists.

I'm sorry we can't CT this. Facts exist.
 
OscarLevant said:
Oh, I dunno...

How about we ask the parents of children poisoned by Republican water management incompetence in Flint, Michigan?

Maybe they can put the thing into perspective.
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How about you explain what on Earth poisoning children in Michigan has to do with a mobile app failure in Iowa? NOTHING is the obvious answer.
 
Helix said:
elections should be handled federally until states prove that they are capable of avoiding partisan voter suppression and assorted ****ups. standardize the whole thing, and have a national primary day so everyone's vote counts. by the time i get to a voting booth, most of the field will have dropped out. that's ridiculous.
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This--------^

I live in NH and couldn't agree more with this. When we primary, pretty much everyone's name is on the ballot. But by the time it gets to you, they are either gone or are out of it because we and the other early states have shaped the race. It's wrong. It should be everyone equally deciding on the same day.

Perhaps if that happened the Republicans would have picked a better candidate that the piece of garbage that NH and a few other early states picked.
 
OscarLevant said:
Oh, I dunno...

how about we ask the parents of children poisoned by Republican water management incompetence in Flint, Michigan?

Maybe they can put the thing into perspective.
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Flint? What about Detroit?

IMO, it's a mistake to extrapolate all of the idiots in one state to an entire party, be it Democrat or Republican.
 
VanceMack said:
Not in Flint you havent been and its typical of you to just ignore the fact that it has been decades of rat politicians that ****ed everything up and you **** you5rself because the GOP managers assigned didnt undo all the previous damage in 3 whole years.
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You sound very angry, take a deep breath and relax. Unless you live in Flint, why are you getting so violently upset? You just flipflopped from the topic of Flint to the Dem House managers. You might want to turn off Fox for at least and hour until your face isn't so red anymore.
 
HumblePi said:
You sound very angry, take a deep breath and relax. Unless you live in Flint, why are you getting so violently upset? You just flipflopped from the topic of Flint to the Dem House managers. You might want to turn off Fox for at least and hour until your face isn't so red anymore.
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:lamo

Such a typical pathetic tactic when you know you are losing.

Angry

No...I'm not angry at all...I'm laughing at your responses and pointing out how dishonest your arguments are. Typical of people like you and the OP...like you LITERALLY took a thread about the incompetence of the DNC in IOWA and what did you do? **** yourself in your rush to make this SOMEHOW be about Flint Michigan and republicans.

You dont think that kind of **** is hilarious?

Come on now...

:lamo
 
Royal PITA said:
Flint? What about Detroit?

IMO, it's a mistake to extrapolate all of the idiots in one state to an entire party, be it Democrat or Republican.
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Yes, now tell that to republicans, and that is why I posted this OP.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Such a typical pathetic tactic when you know you are losing.

Angry

No...I'm not angry at all...I'm laughing at your responses and pointing out how dishonest your arguments are. Typical of people like you and the OP...like you LITERALLY took a thread about the incompetence of the DNC in IOWA and what did you do? **** yourself in your rush to make this SOMEHOW be about Flint Michigan and republicans.

You dont think that kind of **** is hilarious?

Come on now...

:lamo
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You can apply your own principle to yourself right now, just read your own comment. And you're dead wrong about me "taking this thread about the incompetence of the DNC in IOWA" and made it about Flint. My comment was in response to someone else that DID and it was not ME! Learn to follow along here, would you? Instead of jumping all over the place to dead wrong conclusions and making a fool of yourself.
 
HumblePi said:
The problem with lead in the drinking water didn't start 50 years ago. The real problems began in the 1980's when GM downsized and Flint's economy started to die. n 2011, the state of Michigan took over Flint's finances after an audit projected a $25 million deficit.

In order to reduce the water fund shortfall, the city announced that a new pipeline would be built to deliver water from Lake Huron to Flint. In 2014, while the pipeline was under construction, the city turned to the Flint River as a water source. Soon after the switch, residents reported changes to the water's color, smell and taste.

Tests in 2015 by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Virginia Tech indicated dangerous levels of lead in the water at residents' homes. A class-action lawsuit charged that the state wasn't treating the water with an anti-corrosive agent, in violation of federal law. As a result, the water was eroding the iron water mains, turning the water brown. So no, the problem with lead in the water isn't something that started 50 years ago, it is a fairly recent problem for Flint.

Can't you repubes ever learn how to Google?

Flint Water Crisis Fast Facts - CNN
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Yes. Liberal mismanagement and corruption left the city in debt and in need of emergency management. You just like to gloss over anything that points to left wing incompetence.
 
HumblePi said:
You can apply your own principle to yourself right now, just read your own comment.
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My comments are very clear...they have fully exposed how completely foolish it is to 1-try to compare Iowa to Michigan, and 2-feel the need to try to blame an obvious failing of decades of rat party leadership on a GOP team called in to try to undo the **** up caused by the party you support.
 
Fletch said:
And the 50 years prior to that, when the water problem began, the place was run exclusively by democrats. Cant you libs take responsibility for anything? Seriously, if you are going to demand ever larger and more powerful government, the least you can do is hod them accountable when they F up.
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No, the problem began when Snyder's "emergency managers' (who usurped management responsibility of democratically elected major ) did the following:

A Question of Environmental Racism in Flint - The New York Times
The water contamination in Flint was born out of a decision to switch the city’s water source to the Flint River in April 2014. The explicit goal was to save Flint, which was on the brink of financial collapse, millions of dollars. At the time, an emergency manager appointed by Mr. Snyder, a Republican, was running Flint.
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That was the turning point where the good water went bad, the switch to the polluted Flint River.

The buck stops with the Governor, but he didn't go to jail, though others did.
 
Blue Donkey said:
How about you explain what on Earth poisoning children in Michigan has to do with a mobile app failure in Iowa? NOTHING is the obvious answer.
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Why don't you explain why you missed the entire point of this thread?


It wasn't about Flint, per se, because it 's obvious an isolated thing in Michigan is not fair to indict the governing ability of the President.

But, that is precisely what Trump is doing regarding the software mishap in Iowa, and Kellyanne, the same. They are unjustly milking it for what it's worth, which is zero. In a few weeks, it will be forgotten, but no, with a guy like Trump, we'll never hear the end of it.

That is why I did this thread, it's a legit response. You guys throw **** in our face, we'll toss it right back.

When Trump is engaging in a street fight, we are not longer going to use boxing gloves. Sorry.
 
OscarLevant said:
Why don't you explain why you missed the entire point of this thread?

It wasn't about Flint, per se, because it's obvious an isolated thing in Michigan is not fair to indict the governing ability of the President.

But, that is precisely what Trump is doing regarding the software mishap in Iowa, and Kellyanne, the same. They are unjustly milking it for what it's worth, which is zero. In a few weeks, it will be forgotten, but no, with a guy like Trump, we'll never hear the end of it.

That is why I did this thread, it's a legit response. You guys throw crap in our face, we'll toss it right back.

When Trump is engaging in a street fight, we are no longer going to use boxing gloves. Sorry.
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If you say something about poisoning kids in Flint, you are talking about that. - just a news story that is completely unrelated to voting in another state. There is no connection whatsoever. I am not missing any point if I know poisoned kids have nothing to do with Democrats voting for President the wrong way in another state and being unable to get results.
 
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Fletch said:
Yes. Liberal mismanagement and corruption left the city in debt and in need of emergency management. You just like to gloss over anything that points to left wing incompetence.
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So, replace "left wing incompetence" by spreading legionnaire's disease, making kids sick, rendering water undrinkable?

Brilliant.

FYI, blue states send more money to the US treasury than they get back.

Red states, take more than they give.

Don't pontificate about "left wing incompetence", physician, heal thyself.
 
dobieg said:
Were the parents of those children able to get on the $5 Billion Democrat healthcare website?
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Eventually, when a new thing comes out, kinks have to be ironed out, response was immense. I got on just fine.

And no one was poisoned in the process!
 
lurchadams said:
At a time when people are looking for a contrast to the trump ****-show, it sure doesn't help. People are looking for competence and leadership. Assuming Iowa's caucus results are ever released, they'll always be suspect.

Iowa wants to be the harbinger of who is going to be the Dem nominee? **** them, in my opinion, they've lost that right.

They are the new Florida.
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the stats are coming out now. They are a day late. How many times in the annals of election history have some states been a little late?

No, this is nothing, it will soon be forgotten.
 
Fletch said:
Did you even read the article you posted? Emergency managers were appointed because these cities were bankrupt, corrupt and failing. THe appointment of the managers was done to SOLVE the problems one party democrat rule produced.
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So, they did this and their solution was to make kids and people sick.


Brilliant.
 
Mycroft said:
The "software mishap" wasn't a "mistake". It was a "feature".

Regarding running the country, tell me...would you rather have someone run the country who will do everything in their power, no matter how corrupt or illegal, to control you? If so...support the Dems.
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Oh yes! Freedom for all! The Republicans will not control you at all and will leave everyone free! :lamo

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OscarLevant said:
I've been a democrat for 40 years, and since I went from republican in the 80s, to democrat later on, I always say to repubs this:

"If I believed half of what republicans say about democrats, I would still be one".

My curiosity let me to study their memes. They are false. Republicans just cannot grasp what being a democrat is all about, I can only conclude they are stupid, I'm talkin' doorknob dumb......

all the while they:

are currently tyring to take away health care for millions

gave massive tax breaks on rich people during economic prosperity ( that's insanity )

careened deficits to astronomical levels

put small farms out of business with tariffs

nominate presidents whose administrations commit more crimes than any other.

etc.

So, quit lying.
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And then you wonder you don't get along with people? All Republicans are stupid because they don't see the world through your glasses?
 
OscarLevant said:
I've been a democrat for 40 years, and since I went from republican in the 80s, to democrat later on, I always say to repubs this:

"If I believed half of what republicans say about democrats, I would still be one".

My curiosity let me to study their memes. They are false. Republicans just cannot grasp what being a democrat is all about, I can only conclude they are stupid, I'm talkin' doorknob dumb......

all the while they:

are currently tyring to take away health care for millions

gave massive tax breaks on rich people during economic prosperity ( that's insanity )

careened deficits to astronomical levels

put small farms out of business with tariffs

nominate presidents whose administrations commit more crimes than any other.

etc.

So, quit lying.
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"I've been a democrat for 40 years, and since I went from republican in the 80s, to democrat later on, I always say to repubs this:"

Something doesn't add up, but it probably makes sense to you. 1980 was 40 years ago.
 
OscarLevant said:
Yes, now tell that to republicans, and that is why I posted this OP.
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I'm not a Republican. I told them for several years before I left. I was never a Democrat, so I couldn't tell them to stop stupid crap like banning guns and ramming costly healthcare solutions down the throats of all Americans.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
"I've been a democrat for 40 years, and since I went from republican in the 80s, to democrat later on, I always say to repubs this:"

Something doesn't add up, but it probably makes sense to you. 1980 was 40 years ago.
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Trump flip-flopped all over the place too. IMO, it's a marriage of convenience, not ideology.
 
Fletch said:
And the 50 years prior to that, when the water problem began, the place was run exclusively by democrats. Cant you libs take responsibility for anything? Seriously, if you are going to demand ever larger and more powerful government, the least you can do is hod them accountable when they F up.
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Not only, it was the Democrats in control of the Detroit DPW which extorted higher prices from Flint the moment they heard that Flint might have other plans for their water source.

Mind you, had Flint obtained their water from their original plan, Lake Huron, it wouldn't have caused the problems resulting from their being forced to take their water from the Flint river.

There's more, far more, behind that story than what's being told. Don't be fooled. Go dig it out with a search engine and a timeline.
 
Helix said:
elections should be handled federally until states prove that they are capable of avoiding partisan voter suppression and assorted ****ups. standardize the whole thing, and have a national primary day so everyone's vote counts. by the time i get to a voting booth, most of the field will have dropped out. that's ridiculous.
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Always more federal control is the answer, eh?

Well screw that. Besides, this was a DNC run show, and not the state of Iowa.
 
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