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When the senate votes to not impeach without looking at evidence and witnesses

Craig234 said:
"Destroyed this country" is a vague phrase. It continues to exist and largely function. But its democracy, its laws, are greatly weakened by the corruption. But that has been a problem since long before trump got into office. We'll see if the country has the sense to elect Bernie and a lot of other Democrats.
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Electing Bernie would fast tract us to a dictatorship.
 
bongsaway said:
A trial with no witnesses. Let's see how america feels about that come november.
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Remember the Ford allegations and resulting investigation during the Kavanaugh hearing?

They had a trouble seeing the need to talk to witnesses in that proceeding too.
 
Grim17 said:
So what you're saying is, the democrats in the House not only didn't do their job, they lied to the American people when they falsely claimed they had overwhelming evidence?
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Democrats so often it's expected anymore, the reason that you don't hear about it is because the 'news' (political propaganda) media believe that 'speaking turth to power and holding elected officials accountable' applies to only one party, and it isn't theirs.

Add to this Iowa **** show, hard to see any claims of competency by Democrats as having any legitimacy or founding in fact.
 
Thread title: When the senate votes to not impeach without looking at evidence and witnesses

When the senate votes to not to convict without looking at evidence and witnesses

Trump is impeached and he remains as a President that has been impeached whether the Senate convicts or not.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Electing Bernie would fast tract us to a dictatorship.
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Bernie is not dictator material.

You need someone who can convince masses of people that you are the only reliable source of information. Marginalize the press, bring doubt to government institutions, and ignore oversight.

Find that guy and you're on the fast track.
 
jbander said:
He is a dictator because , you can't impeach any president if they can't have all witnesses that can show guilt or all information that shows guilt.
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You simply do not have a clue about impeachment. It's the house that presents the case. The Senate is the jury. The house did call witnesses, even though none had any first hand knowledge. They were unwilling to wait for the courts to respond to objections to executive privilege on some of the witnesses they wanted to call, and rushed their so-called case to an impeachment vote.

The senate is under no obligation to do what the house failed to do. And the Senate would have had to deal with executive privilege as well. Assuming a dictatorship because you did not like the outcome makes you very hard to take seriously.
 
Craig234 said:
trump remains impeached and that never changes. The Senate corruptly did not convict and remove him.
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Acquittal is also permanent. The Senate did not convict and remove Trump because he committed no high crimes or misdemeanors. It's that simple. The demorats in the house simply did not have a case.
 
ecofarm said:
Half the country wanted the President removed from office. Three quarters wanted witnesses in the Senate. And here you are inventing new derogatory nicknames for democrats.
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is that from the same pollsters who assured you that Hillary would be elected president in 2016?
 
less right said:
Bernie is not dictator material.

You need someone who can convince masses of people that you are the only reliable source of information. Marginalize the press, bring doubt to government institutions, and ignore oversight.

Find that guy and you're on the fast track.
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Bernie is for all practical purposes a communist.
 
jnug said:
Thread title: When the senate votes to not impeach without looking at evidence and witnesses

When the senate votes to not to convict without looking at evidence and witnesses

Trump is impeached and he remains as a President that has been impeached whether the Senate convicts or not.
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So it is your position that the testimony of the House's 18 witnesses and documents the House assembled in their proceedings were NOT submitted into the Senate record?

Your statement is false.
They those were accepted into the Senate record. So to say that Senators voted 'without looking at evidence and witnesses' is false.

Go ply your partisan half truths (propaganda) elsewhere. Perhaps you can get some unthinking people to believe you. :shrug:
 
bongsaway said:
We all know mitch was holding his troops together to vote for dismissal no matter what which is why they had no intention of calling witnesses. So yeah, I guess you could say the gop part of the senate made sure their was not enough evidence to suit them.

A trial with no witnesses. Let's see how america feels about that come november.
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The senate looked at the same evidence the house did. If that was sufficent enough for them to impeach him then its also sufficent enough to acquit him with.

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jbander said:
Then this country has it's first dictator and guarantees in the future that it will happen again. The sad part is it will always be a hate party dictator till the democrats do the same. They may have destroyed this country selling us out and pissing on the flag.
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LOL. The House had 17 witnesses and claimed they had "overwhelming" evidence. Why do you have to lie about there not being any evidence or witnesses in the Senate trial?
 
jbander said:
He is a dictator because , you can't impeach any president if they can't have all witnesses that can show guilt or all information that shows guilt.
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Did you have overwhelming evidence or not? Seems to me you are admitting that there was not overwhelming evidence.
 
jbander said:
The senate mafority has said he is guilty, this country wants him impeached and 2/3rds of this country think scum bag is a criminal. He is 100% criminal and 100% guilty simple as that, The house did it's job under the constitution the senate we all knew were going to sell this country out.
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LOL. Trump just scored his highest in polls, news out today. So, I guess you were wrong about that.
 
trouble13 said:
How is it that the house looked at the same evidence that the Senate looked at and the house determined there was enough information to hold a vote but the Senate has an insufficent amount of evidence to also have a vote?
To buy into your argument you would have to concede that the house voted without sufficent evidence to determine he if he should be impeached or not.

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Hmm, I liked the way you said that. It beats my stacking the deck analogy. The Democratic House stacked the deck to insure the articles would pass and the senate stacked the deck to ensure an acquittal. I don't think either side gave a darn what the evidence showed or if the evidence warranted impeachment and removal or not. One side was going to impeach no matter what, the other side is going to acquit no matter what.

This has been nothing more or less than just another very partisan battle between the major parties. Impeachment, healthcare, tax cuts, etc. etc. etc.
 
trouble13 said:
How is it that the house looked at the same evidence that the Senate looked at and the house determined there was enough information to hold a vote but the Senate has an insufficent amount of evidence to also have a vote?
To buy into your argument you would have to concede that the house voted without sufficent evidence to determine he if he should be impeached or not.

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The house wasn’t run by people covering for the president.
 
Moderate Right said:
Did you have overwhelming evidence or not? Seems to me you are admitting that there was not overwhelming evidence.
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There is overwhelming evidence. Why is this reason to ignore further evidence? You’d make a terrible investigator. ‘Eh, let’s not bother with some of the witnesses.’

“Let’s ignore evidence we can easily obtain” is somehow a reasonable suggestion to you?
 
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jbander said:
Then this country has it's first dictator and guarantees in the future that it will happen again. The sad part is it will always be a hate party dictator till the democrats do the same. They may have destroyed this country selling us out and pissing on the flag.
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House is responsible for presenting the case against the President. They didn't do their job, so now they can't expect the Senate to do what they failed to do.

Why do so few people understand how this process works?
 
VanceMack said:
Of course you do. You are as committed to your hatred....perhaps more so...than most.
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So 2/3 of American are committed to hatred. My hatred is real, I totally hate scum bag and his hate group that supports him, it's simple to me . Does anyone here want to tell me that I can't hate this countries biggest threat and enemy. Go ahead, I got to hear this,
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. The House had 17 witnesses and claimed they had "overwhelming" evidence. Why do you have to lie about there not being any evidence or witnesses in the Senate trial?
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Umm. 18 witnesses. The Democrats wants to bury the Intel's IG testimony. He must have had some truth to tell them they didn't like.
My guess is the coordination and orchestration between the whistle blower and Schiff's staff.
 
Court Jester said:
House is responsible for presenting the case against the President. They didn't do their job, so now they can't expect the Senate to do what they failed to do.

Why do so few people understand how this process works?
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‘I don’t want to hear all the evidence’ is only the stance of someone with an agenda.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Bernie is for all practical purposes a communist.
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I;ll define stupid for you. First cowboy there is no Commies here or socialist. Got a question when was the last time someone came up to you and said "you know I think it would be a good idea if our government owned all the businesses here and was responsible for the sale of their product. Stupid people need their own definition of socialism and communism to have these unbelievable stupid comments. You don't get your own definition buddy because it already has one and the prime tennent that makes communism communist and socialism socialist and without which there is no such thing and that is the means of production is owned by the government and the sales of that production is charged to that government . The multi word for government is people ,citizens, community. There is no socialism or communism that doesn't include collectivism. So the Idea that anyone would want socialism or communism is a joke , and it is just thrown around by stupid people who have no clue.
 
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