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My Speech at the Trial

ecofarm said:
The number of members that defend Trump at this forum has gone down a lot. It's pretty much only the most devoted followers at this point, and they stand out like sore thumbs. Maybe half of what it was three years ago.
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Yip, I suspect that number will grow higher if he is in the election.

And I'm more than sure the few Russians we have here will gain friends.

The next propaganda I expect will be cultists calling posters Ukrainian...
 
ecofarm said:
I am not rolling with President Pelosi. If that happens, we need to impeach and remove her too. Who's after McConnell?
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I don't think McConnell's in the succession it's president pro tempore of the Senate that's Chuck Grassley and then the Secretary of State Pompeo if Pelosi becomes president which is not a likely we know the Senate is not going to allow that but if she were to become president the house would not impeach her the house loves Pelosi
 
Exquisitor said:
My Speech at the Trial:

If I had the floor, this is what I would say:

"We all know what he did, so I am not such a proponent of calling witnesses, although I will vote with my Party. Secondly, we must acknowledge the impeachment of Donald Trump is legitimate just like Clinton and Nixon. If Trump had said, "Ya, I did that, sorry." He would not be impeached just like Nixon and how Clinton got off. But Trump does not believe he can win without dirt on Biden, so what does this say? Certainly the precedent is undesirable as impeachment and we should remove him from office, but how can we ask the Republicans to do what is so politically disadvantageous? When they can instead enjoy power?

So we find that "instant karma" has manifest, Trump wanted to get dirt on Biden and now Trump has on himself, the dirt of impeachment.

We also have the dirt of how they fought Obama coming as instant karma making Trump a one Term President, why not pay that karma now and then you will be much further on to paying your Debt.

I was going to say, I don't know which Party will pay the debt sooner, but under closer analyses I find it the Democrats, I remember; Republicans borrow and Democrats pay it back.

So the trial is an indictment on the entire Republican Party who have not broken ranks yet in their stubborn obstinate ideological vote which we hope to carry to the election.
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Well I for one believe in karma but if you toss woo words like karma around while you're running for an office which would put you in the position to give a speech on the floor you would never be elected in the first place

However, if you use Christian woo words you'd be alright
 
less right said:
Unless you think OJ isn't guilty you're argument has already proven to let guilty men walk.

But then I think that's the crux of most of the President's defense.
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Oj was indeed guilty. Trump however is not.

PS, I have close personal family living in Utah and my kin were founders of Utah. So I have a huge appreciation for Utah. And Idaho as well.
 
ecofarm said:
The number of members that defend Trump at this forum has gone down a lot. It's pretty much only the most devoted followers at this point, and they stand out like sore thumbs. Maybe half of what it was three years ago.
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I first showed my face here some years ago and had decided too many Democrats for my taste. But alas, back to duel.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Oj was indeed guilty. Trump however is not.

PS, I have close personal family living in Utah and my kin were founders of Utah. So I have a huge appreciation for Utah. And Idaho as well.
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Note to self: glove test not reliable.

PS, I just recently returned after a 17 year absence. Glad to be back. Lot of similarity between north Northern Utah and Southern Idaho. As I become acquainted with Utah politics I'm encouraged to learn it's nothing like national politics.
 
less right said:
Note to self: glove test not reliable.

PS, I just recently returned after a 17 year absence. Glad to be back. Lot of similarity between north Northern Utah and Southern Idaho. As I become acquainted with Utah politics I'm encouraged to learn it's nothing like national politics.
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Dad and his siblings all were born and raised in Utah. Dad was born in the mining town of Eureka and said to me at times, there kids grew up and their fist was their place. I am definitely enjoying Idaho's people more than I enjoyed the public living in Fremont, CA. I want my name changed to reflect I do not live in Fremont now. So far I got no action from the leaders here.
 
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less right said:
That's what I'm afraid of.
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Even if you do not take advantage of the prosperity, others will and all in all that will also work for your benefit. Can you imagine if we had to endure Sanderson?
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...let's see...Trump is smarter than you are?
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It's just an approximation.

Should we expect Trump, to not?

Just so they pursued him from the start, so the precedent for removal is good, although unlikely given people's momentum.
 
OscarLevant said:
Well I for one believe in karma but if you toss woo words like karma around while you're running for an office which would put you in the position to give a speech on the floor you would never be elected in the first place

However, if you use Christian woo words you'd be alright
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Karma? I'll tell them about astrology.
 
Bullseye said:
Nor was Nixon.
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Why compare him to Nixon? Bush wasn't impeached. Reagan. Go big if you want. Do you know something we don't?
 
ecofarm said:
Why compare him to Nixon? Bush wasn't impeached. Reagan. Go big if you want. Do you know something we don't?
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Impeachments are more common in our present day and age, because of decline due to dwindling resources, mineral content of our foods, fast foods, plastics and led poisoning.

I don't think Trump is leading us out of any of these maladies.
 
ecofarm said:
Why compare him to Nixon? Bush wasn't impeached. Reagan. Go big if you want. Do you know something we don't?
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OP mentioned Nixon in his "speech".
 
Bullseye said:
OP mentioned Nixon in his "speech".
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If you look at each case, you will find that they are all legitimate complaints, yet each is different.

Nixon covered up or he would have been OK, Clinton repented and was OK and Trump stonewalls and likely gets off on the Partizan vote.
 
Exquisitor said:
Impeachments are more common in our present day and age, because of decline due to dwindling resources, mineral content of our foods, fast foods, plastics and led poisoning.

I don't think Trump is leading us out of any of these maladies.
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Impeachment is more common because we have greater ability to catch crooks. No one likes politicians, right? All crooks to some degree. Worse than lawyers. We should bust every one we can. They work for us and ain't none of us much satisfied.
 
ecofarm said:
Impeachment is more common because we have greater ability to catch crooks. No one likes politicians, right? All crooks to some degree. Worse than lawyers. We should bust every one we can. They work for us and ain't none of us much satisfied.
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It is simultaneously that and filled with dignity.

I'm only complaining about the Republican methods toward Obama, giving the rich a windfall a second time, running up debt when they're in office and complaining about debt when they're not and that the debt isn't getting paid and debt sucks and we could be putting money in our pocket, but instead we are high on the credit card.
 
Exquisitor said:
It is simultaneously that and filled with dignity.

I'm only complaining about the Republican methods toward Obama, giving the rich a windfall a second time, running up debt when they're in office and complaining about debt when they're not and that the debt isn't getting paid and debt sucks and we could be putting money in our pocket, but instead we are high on the credit card.
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Not filled.

I'm only complaining about Republican social policy except guns. Current events aside. Some market based green is okay economically.
 
Exquisitor said:
If you look at each case, you will find that they are all legitimate complaints, yet each is different.

Nixon covered up or he would have been OK, Clinton repented and was OK and Trump stonewalls and likely gets off on the Partizan vote.
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LOL, Yeah, as if the other party won't vote straight partisan. :roll:
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, Yeah, as if the other party won't vote straight partisan. :roll:
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It's an unfortunate divide, it began when Bush won in 2000 and they got scared when they saw how shut out they would have been compounded by what they do. So they attacked the Democrat making like their guy didn't hand over the economic crisis and then they do the same thing because we're all idiots and that's what trump said of us before he ran for President.
 
ecofarm said:
Not filled.

I'm only complaining about Republican social policy except guns. Current events aside. Some market based green is okay economically.
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So you're voting Reprobate because of your guns?

I know a dude who votes Reprobate because he was almost aborted.

Me, I worry about gays, so I vote Reprobate.

Just kidding, I would offer an apology and then state my position.

Reprobates don't have social policy, are you talking about abortion? Yes on guns and no on abortion? More people to shoot at?
 
Exquisitor said:
So you're voting Reprobate because of your guns?

I know a dude who votes Reprobate because he was almost aborted.

Me, I worry about gays, so I vote Reprobate.

Just kidding, I would offer an apology and then state my position.

Reprobates don't have social policy, are you talking about abortion? Yes on guns and no on abortion? More people to shoot at?
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I vote on a point system, was always some of each party depending on a lot of factors. I'm progressive on social issues except guns. See signature. I blue waved 2018 and will 2020 in objection to Trump.
 
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ecofarm said:
I vote on a point system, was always some of each party depending on a lot of factors. I'm progressive on social issues except guns. See signature. I blue waved 2018 and will 2020 in objection to Trump.
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Ya, I knew someone else who had to mark some of both Party. If one of the Parties is off you can't be doing that.

But unfortunately, no-one wants to pay the debt, they want to keep borrowing and make more programs or give big tax break.
 
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