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By turning back caravans, Mexico is acting as Trump’s border wall, critics say

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jmotivator said:
Mexico'''s president turns back migrant caravans, in drastic change - Los Angeles Times

"Detractors have accused López Obrador of bending to the Trump administration’s tactics — including threats of tariffs on goods imported from Mexico — in creating a virtual wall in Mexico’s southern boundary with Guatemala."

So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it? :lamo
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Yes.

That's the thing about Trump...if Congress won't help him do what he says he'll do, he finds another way.

Bottom line: He gets it done.
 
jmotivator said:
Mexico'''s president turns back migrant caravans, in drastic change - Los Angeles Times

"Detractors have accused López Obrador of bending to the Trump administration’s tactics — including threats of tariffs on goods imported from Mexico — in creating a virtual wall in Mexico’s southern boundary with Guatemala."

So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it? :lamo
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But it's not a big beautiful wall, perhaps visible from outer space. It is a squalid police persecution of refugees, children, their mothers, and those fleeing drug gangs.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes.

That's the thing about Trump...if Congress won't help him do what he says he'll do, he finds another way.

Bottom line: He gets it done.
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Well, It's obvious this one didn't get it done(LOL)

 
jmotivator said:
Mexico'''s president turns back migrant caravans, in drastic change - Los Angeles Times

"Detractors have accused López Obrador of bending to the Trump administration’s tactics — including threats of tariffs on goods imported from Mexico — in creating a virtual wall in Mexico’s southern boundary with Guatemala."

So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it? :lamo
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So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it?
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Boy, you sure know how to stretch....... things
 
jmotivator said:
Mexico'''s president turns back migrant caravans, in drastic change - Los Angeles Times

"Detractors have accused López Obrador of bending to the Trump administration’s tactics — including threats of tariffs on goods imported from Mexico — in creating a virtual wall in Mexico’s southern boundary with Guatemala."

So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it? :lamo
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Among López Obrador’s major policy shifts in immigration was to bow to U.S. demands that Mexico house asylum-seekers from Central America and elsewhere who are awaiting hearings in U.S. immigration courts.
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So let me get this straight, these migrants are still getting hearings in our immigration courts under Trump?
 
Luther said:
So let me get this straight, these migrants are still getting hearings in our immigration courts under Trump?
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Yes, IN MEXICO, as it is supposed to work.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes.

That's the thing about Trump...if Congress won't help him do what he says he'll do, he finds another way.

Bottom line: He gets it done.
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No, he doesn't get anything done, let alone building a 2000-mile wall. Sorry, I think he got funding for about 10 miles of refurbishment. That leaves only 1990 miles to go. Should be done by Easter, easy.
 
jmotivator said:
Yes, IN MEXICO, as it is supposed to work.
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Okay, but they're still getting immigration hearings(Hello)

Not everyone is fooled by the fools gold
 
Luther said:
Okay, but they're still getting immigration hearings(Hello)

Not everyone is fooled by the fools gold
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Who said they shouldn't get hearings?

The issue is that they should not be allowed to enter the country without that hearing. The Democrats think they should cross the border, be given a court date and then allowed to go free in the US. The Republican position is that immigrants should follow the process of requesting entrance before being granted entrance.
 
jmotivator said:
Mexico'''s president turns back migrant caravans, in drastic change - Los Angeles Times

"Detractors have accused López Obrador of bending to the Trump administration’s tactics — including threats of tariffs on goods imported from Mexico — in creating a virtual wall in Mexico’s southern boundary with Guatemala."

So does that mean there is a wall and Mexico is paying for it? :lamo
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So that means we don't need to spend billions of taxpayer dollars on a physical wall?

Winning!
 
Mycroft said:
Yes.

That's the thing about Trump...if Congress won't help him do what he says he'll do, he finds another way.

Bottom line: He gets it done.
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Except that it's unconstitutional.
 
Jean-s said:
But it's not a big beautiful wall, perhaps visible from outer space. It is a squalid police persecution of refugees, children, their mothers, and those fleeing drug gangs.
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Incorrect.

It is a sovereign nation in concert with another sovereign nation controlling their borders.
 
HumblePi said:
Except that it's unconstitutional.
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What is unconstitutional? Asking Mexico to stop caravans from crossing their country into ours?

Or is there some other thing?
 
snakestretcher said:
No, he doesn't get anything done, let alone building a 2000-mile wall. Sorry, I think he got funding for about 10 miles of refurbishment. That leaves only 1990 miles to go. Should be done by Easter, easy.
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Just because you are in England, doesn't mean you have to be ignorant. The internet is a wonderful resource for information.

You should use it.
 
Luther said:
Okay, but they're still getting immigration hearings(Hello)
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Yes, they are. No one, not even Trump is opposed to proper processing of requests to become an American citizen.

Wherever did you get that idea?

Luther said:
Not everyone is fooled by the fools gold
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So the system Trump has set up with Mexico is that people trying to migrate asserting "asylum" status wait in Mexico and eventually get a hearing to determine the merits of their claim.

If the Immigration Court allows the claim, they come into the USA LEGALLY. If the Immigration Court finds the claim meritless, they stay in Mexico and are not allowed back. Not unless they successfully follow normal immigration processes.

That is EXACTLY how our immigration process should work.

How is that "fools gold?"
 
Fledermaus said:
Please clarify. What are you claiming is unConstitutional?
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Circumventing and denying Congressional oversight is clearly abuse of power and unconstitutional.
 
HumblePi said:
Circumventing and denying Congressional oversight is clearly abuse of power and unconstitutional.
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Well, Trump is in charge of defending the country; it says so in the Constitution. Having unfettered illegal immigration is a threat that needs to be defended against.
 
HumblePi said:
Except that it's unconstitutional.
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NO, it is not. :roll:

Again, stop listening to MSM propaganda.

The Constitution shows clear delineations of power and authority. Each Branch of our government has it's own bailiwick.

The President handles foreign affairs, the military, and administration of government. Congress (with separate divisions of responsibility) is responsible for taxation, law making, treaty confirmation, and declarations of war. SCOTUS is responsible for adjudicating issues of law, including how the Constitution is interpreted on a case by case basis.

IMO it is Congress that has been ceding their authority to the President ever since they started creating all sorts of Agencies simultaneously giving said Agencies "regulatory" powers. They rightly have "oversight" based on the laws they promulgated to create such Agencies in order to maintain some control. But that "oversight" is rightly limited to their own legislative power. NOT to interfere with the President's Constitutional authorities.

For example, they can authorize aid, which is "tax and spending" power. They can also put limits on how the President can handle disbursements. But as long as the President works within those limits, he can still exercise his authority as to how much and when portions of such aid will be given...and in many cases if he can show justification, then determine such aid will not be given at all. Hence Biden's "quid pro quo" of "No aid unless you fire..." he bragged about when he was handling foreign affairs with Ukraine under Obama.
 
swing_voter said:
Well, Trump is in charge of defending the country; it says so in the Constitution. Having unfettered illegal immigration is a threat that needs to be defended against.
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Of course, but there's a way to do all of that without violating the U.S. Constitution. All previous presidents in history have been able to defend this country against all enemies including Germany and Japan without subverting the constitution.
 
HumblePi said:
Of course, but there's a way to do all of that without violating the U.S. Constitution. All previous presidents in history have been able to defend this country against all enemies including Germany and Japan without subverting the constitution.
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Vague as ever.

Subverting the Constitution how?
 
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