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Greatest miracle of the Trump presidency = the exposure of widespread corruption in high places


Mainly because Trump is about as sharp as a spoon. If he had just kept his mouth shut he would be getting away with all his scams.
 
JustHanging said:
Mainly because Trump is about as sharp as a spoon. If he had just kept his mouth shut he would be getting away with all his scams.
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You would think if democrats did not want the Bidens brought into evidence in the trial they would not have mentioned them over 200 times in their rambling opening remarks. Duuuuuuuuh dumb.
 
Jay59 said:
I give you the braggart. I am familiar with Johnston. It does not really apply to Washington.

Here is the cold hard fact you are breaking your teeth on, the Democrats investigated Trump for three years and could not even find a crime to accuse him of doing. In Washington, that constitutes squeaky clean.
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I get your point about Russiagate and the impeachment investigation, and I agree--DJT was certainly framed.

But Trump is unfit for office. Many who have held the office have been unfit, and Trump is one of them.

David Cay Johnston's work provides immense insight into how the man has behaved, and does behave. He is a scofflaw and an ego maniac crook. He is treating congress pretty much the same way he treated the NJ Gaming Commission when he owned the casino.
 
marke said:
What happened to Biden's complaints about Shokin supposedly not making satisfactory progress in his investigation of Burisma after Shokin was fired for that and the investigation into Burisma ground to a halt?
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Not only can't you provide sources for your 'quotes' but now you are showing us that you have next to zero knowledge of what was happening in Ukraine - not unexpected.

More and more your posts appear to be little more than attempts to cause others to blow up and say bad words.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I get your point about Russiagate and the impeachment investigation, and I agree--DJT was certainly framed.

But Trump is unfit for office. Many who have held the office have been unfit, and Trump is one of them.

David Cay Johnston's work provides immense insight into how the man has behaved, and does behave. He is a scofflaw and an ego maniac crook. He is treating congress pretty much the same way he treated the NJ Gaming Commission when he owned the casino.
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He's qualified for office because he is over 35, has lived in the US for 14 years prior to election and is a natural citizen. Those are the qualifications.

Beyond that, you should ask if he can do the job. Experience has shown that the answer is, emphatically, yes. Johnston focuses on the superficial rather than the substance. He is proven suited for the office by job performance. If he is qualified and can do a good job, then he's fit for the job. He's irritating and eccentric, but that does not make him unfit. History will remember him as colorful not incompetent.
 
Jay59 said:
He's qualified for office because he is over 35, has lived in the US for 14 years prior to election and is a natural citizen. Those are the qualifications.

Beyond that, you should ask if he can do the job. Experience has shown that the answer is, emphatically, yes. Johnston focuses on the superficial rather than the substance. He is proven suited for the office by job performance. If he is qualified and can do a good job, then he's fit for the job. He's irritating and eccentric, but that does not make him unfit. History will remember him as colorful not incompetent.
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I have a different view of the man. He is irritating and arrogant - thinks he knows more than every other person in the room with him. His arrogance and refusal to accept information from those with training and knowledge of complex matters makes him unfit for the presidency. History will remember him as colourful, woefully incompetent and our descendants will either wonder WTF were Americans thinking when they voted for him OR they will worship HIM because American democracy will be replaced by a Trumpian monarchy where no one will be allowed to disparage the Great Leader or HIS children who will follow the PATH to GREATNESS.
 
marke said:
Are American judges, lawmakers, prosecutors, law enforcement officers, government officials and career politicians corrupt? No, according to democrats, except for some republicans like Trump. It is that blind ignorance about the widespread corruptions affecting large swaths of government business which has resulted in large damage to the United States of America. The GAO has estimated the US loses more than $150 billion per year in fraud, waste, theft and abuse, and that is threatening the economic stability of our nation. It is beyond stupid to claim that such loss through theft and fraud is not being engineered by huge numbers of career government officials, including judges, prosecutors, diplomats, managers, bankers, overseers, officers, regulators and so forth.
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THAT is why dems want not just trump they want his whole admin. out . the thing that astounds me is schiffy stands before congress, the senate, news channels and lies his ass off and nothing is done about it. same for Nadler schumer Pelosi. and the rest of the cabal. why wreck our country with such vindictiveness it will cause more hate and discontent. Pelosi say she doesn't hate trump? what hogwash!!!
 
Somerville said:
I have a different view of the man. He is irritating and arrogant - thinks he knows more than every other person in the room with him. His arrogance and refusal to accept information from those with training and knowledge of complex matters makes him unfit for the presidency. History will remember him as colourful, woefully incompetent and our descendants will either wonder WTF were Americans thinking when they voted for him OR they will worship HIM because American democracy will be replaced by a Trumpian monarchy where no one will be allowed to disparage the Great Leader or HIS children who will follow the PATH to GREATNESS.
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That's an interesting fantasy. I like my politics grounded in reality.

In no reality is he incompetent. In no reality is he anything like a monarch. If you were talking Obama, it would have been a much better point, since he had the slavish devotion of the propaganda machine that now opposes Trump.
 
Jay59 said:
That's an interesting fantasy. I like my politics grounded in reality.

In no reality is he incompetent. In no reality is he anything like a monarch. If you were talking Obama, it would have been a much better point, since he had the slavish devotion of the propaganda machine that now opposes Trump.
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I don't recall Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton 'joking' about staying in office past their legal time in the White House.

BUT Trump has - on more than one occasion.
Trump AGAIN jokes about extending his term past 2024

The prospect of Trump extending his presidency beyond two terms is a frequent refrain among the president and his boosters.

In May, Trump retweeted Jerry Falwell Jr. when the Evangelical conservative political figure said that the president should have his term extended because of the special counsel investigation into Russian election interference — a "corrupt failed coup," to use Falwell's language.

A month earlier, at an event sponsored by the Wounded Warrior Project, Trump joked about remaining in office for even longer than that.

"This will find a permanent place, at least for six years, in the Oval Office," he said about a trophy he received from the charity. "I was going to joke ... and say at least for 10 or 14 years, but we would cause bedlam if I said that, so we’ll say six.”

And in 2018, he expressed admiration for Chinese President Xi Jinping's limitless term.

"I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll give that a shot someday," he said.

Trump's reference Monday was clearly facetious, even eliciting a laugh from Infantino. Still, it's noteworthy given that some Democrats — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi among them — have expressed doubts about whether he'd respect the results of an election that ousted him from the White House.
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Trump doesn't have much of a record for respecting the law as written.
 
Somerville said:
I don't recall Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton 'joking' about staying in office past their legal time in the White House. BUT Trump has - on more than one occasion. Trump doesn't have much of a record for respecting the law as written.
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To the contrary. Trump has shown enormous respect for the letter of the law. More than two years carefully sifting his behavior did not turn up any violations.

Your issue seems to be that he is not verbally respectful of the law. Many people are verbally abusive of the IRS but still pass audits. I do not see a real difference here.
 
Cardinal said:
Oh and don't forget Rudy Giuliani, the second personal lawyer to Donald Trump, who's now under criminal investigation by the SDNY.

Your fan fiction is dismissed. Also, who's Tony Podesta?
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Sounds like a crooner of cheesy ballads. Think 'Tony Bennett' (Benedetto).
 
Jay59 said:
To the contrary. Trump has shown enormous respect for the letter of the law. More than two years carefully sifting his behavior did not turn up any violations.

Your issue seems to be that he is not verbally respectful of the law. Many people are verbally abusive of the IRS but still pass audits. I do not see a real difference here.
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Trump pays out $25 million to settle Trump University litigation

Trump Must Pay $2 Million in Settlement of Suit Over Foundation

Trump must face marketing scam lawsuit, escapes racketeering claims: NY judge

Trump ordered to pay legal fees in Scotland golf course case

Donald Trump settles lawsuit over Baja condo resort that went bust “The group of plaintiffs is very pleased with the outcome,”

Legal affairs of Donald Trump

An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] Over 150 other cases were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3] In about 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. In hundreds more, cases ended with the available public record unclear about the resolution.[1] Where there was a clear resolution, Trump won 451 times, and lost 38
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Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.
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Somerville said:
Not only can't you provide sources for your 'quotes' but now you are showing us that you have next to zero knowledge of what was happening in Ukraine - not unexpected.

More and more your posts appear to be little more than attempts to cause others to blow up and say bad words.
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I know a whole lot about what happened in Ukraine and I am getting indications Trump's defense team is going to teach the Senate a whole lot about what was going on in Ukraine that they have never heard on leftist media outlets.
 
Jay59 said:
That's an interesting fantasy. I like my politics grounded in reality.

In no reality is he incompetent. In no reality is he anything like a monarch. If you were talking Obama, it would have been a much better point, since he had the slavish devotion of the propaganda machine that now opposes Trump.
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Well said! Obama wanted to sit in the yard an drink beer with some plummer dude!
 
Greatest miracle of the Trump presidency = the exposure of widespread corruption in high places

His greatest miracle will be the widespread corruption he hid.

Kids will be reading about it in history books.
 
marke said:
I know a whole lot about what happened in Ukraine and I am getting indications Trump's defense team is going to teach the Senate a whole lot about what was going on in Ukraine that they have never heard on leftist media outlets.
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You make lots of claims, yet seldom do you supply verification for said claims.
 
marke said:
Trump campaigned on draining the swamp. I don't think anyone was expecting to see the amount of corruption in government workers, politicians, business people, judges, law enforcement officers, and others connected to the everyday business as usual operations of our corrupt government.

News has just broken that the Obama administration, officials in the Justice Department, the FBI, federal intelligence agencies, judges, prosecutors and more broke the law in applying for, obtaining and executing illegal warrants to spy on the Trump campaign in 2016 and beyond. General Flynn has withdrawn his coerced guilty plea in light of new evidence of prosecutorial misconduct and so forth.
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Also, we see the real unmasked hate and lies of fake news CNN and their ilk
 
Somerville said:
Trump pays out $25 million to settle Trump University litigation
Trump Must Pay $2 Million in Settlement of Suit Over Foundation
Trump must face marketing scam lawsuit, escapes racketeering claims: NY judge
Trump ordered to pay legal fees in Scotland golf course case
Donald Trump settles lawsuit over Baja condo resort that went bust “The group of plaintiffs is very pleased with the outcome,”
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Was there a point in there?

Not a thing you posted has to do with the office of President. The reason is that Trump has been meticulous about observing the law during his tenure.

The truth hurts.
 
Jay59 said:
Was there a point in there?

Not a thing you posted has to do with the office of President. The reason is that Trump has been meticulous about observing the law during his tenure.

The truth hurts.
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HOW do you know that "Trump has been meticulous about observing the law during his tenure." ?

You do know there are several cases winding their way thru the courts - dontcha? You do know that Trump has blocked the testimony of several adminstration officials and the release of many pages of documents - dontcha?
 
Jay59 said:
Was there a point in there?

Not a thing you posted has to do with the office of President. The reason is that Trump has been meticulous about observing the law during his tenure.

The truth hurts.
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I would agree that Trump has been meticulous in observing the law as he believes it. And until a court tells him different, he believes whatever he does is legal.
 
marke said:
Flynn's lawyer is claiming prosecutorial abuse. Flynn is now claiming his confession was coerced. He may be sent to prison anyway, but these issues will still be litigated in court and then we will see who is lying and who is telling the truth.

What is going on with the latest news that at least two of the FISA warrants were illegal and the other 2 also possibly illegal? How are the democrats going to spin this news?

Two of four FISA warrants against Carter Page declared invalid - CNNPolitics
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Dems: 'Nothing to see here folks!'
Dems: 'Criticizing the FBI is degrading the public's trust in the institution of the FBI damages them'
(err - holding them accountable for their actions?)

Dems: 'The FBI doesn't break laws or protocol'
(clearly they have)

Dems: 'The FBI was attacking the person we want to have attacked, so nothing to see here, regardless of how many policy, procedure, civil, criminal or constitutional violations, all of which need to be forgiven.
(How is this not the politicization of, and use of federal LEO agency as a political weapon?)

'Obama's administration was scandal free, so what's this all about?'
(False - Just because the media's editorial decisions are such that Obama's scandals were whitewashed doesn't mean that they weren't scandals)

(This isn't the end of Obama's SpyGate scandal, this is only the beginning)

“What I will do is remind Americans that the House provided President Trump every opportunity to prove his innocence."
Transcript of U.S. Rep. Steny Hoyer’s speech on the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump
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Democrats seem to have forgotten about due process for non-Democrats?

:roll:

So the Dem values that I'm picking upon here are that 'as long as you attack, spy on, violate the rights of, the person we don't like, legal and civil violations are forgiven.'

Right?

The Democrats support this ****, so they are truly a danger to civil and constitutional rights of all and a clear and present danger to the Republic.
This is now clearly and definitely beyond any argument.

The Democrat presidential primary candidates have echoed exactly the same sentiments and exactly the same values. I think it fair to say that this makes them all un-electable.

You want more abuse of power, corruption, politicization of the federal government? Vote Democrat.
 
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durtbag said:
Well said! Obama wanted to sit in the yard an drink beer with some plummer dude!
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That's not a problem. Saying the plumber was in the right was the problem. Be careful, though. The cult does not tolerate criticism of the One.
 
Somerville said:
HOW do you know that "Trump has been meticulous about observing the law during his tenure." ?

You do know there are several cases winding their way thru the courts - dontcha? You do know that Trump has blocked the testimony of several adminstration officials and the release of many pages of documents - dontcha?
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I can give you a mountain of evidence--the Mueller report and its documentation. From there, go into the IG report and its supporting evidence. Mueller's team look hard, yet were forced to exonerate him. The impeachment itself is evidence. Having no legitimate charges, they had to make things up.

Sure, there are cases in the courts where executive privilege may be overturned, but Trump has a Constitutional right to force the House to use the courts. It's no different from a business owner demanding a court order to open his books or a homeowner asking for a warrant.
 
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