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New Evidence of Hunter Biden's Burisma Deal Destroys Dem's Impeachment Plan

Condor060 said:
You better pray I'm on the jury unless you want a juror who believes in the (believe all women) theory.

We don't convict people on hearsay evidence of what someone thought, what someone said, about what someone else was thinking.
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That's why we also heard from Williams and Vindman, who were on the call and heard it with their own ears. This is called corroboration. They corroborated the crime, and impeachable offense, that the President committed. Happy to help.
 
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Paradoxical said:
Nope. Trump wanted the Biden Crime Family investigated and he had every right to do so. Running for president doesn't make you immune from investigation and prosecution.
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Then he should have asked the FBI to do so.
 
vesper said:
The reason these latest discoveries are relevant is because they speak to the real corruption in Ukraine during the Obama administration and the ties unfortunately to that corruption involve Biden and his son Hunter in regard to Burisma.

The emails that Ingraham got ahold of involved a reporter Vogel from the NYT that had been investigating this corruption and had written several stories on it. He is the reporter that broke the bombshell at Politico that Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election to benefit Hillary Clinton. He was working on a story about this meeting that occurred in the WH in 2016 of high ranking persons in Ukraine including prosecutors and persons investigating the corruption of Burisma that stemmed to the UK. They were concerned over Hunter Biden's position at Burisma. At the same time he was working on this story Joe Biden announced his run for the presidency. After Biden announced Vogel just stopped his investigative reporting on the subject. The only thing out of him recently is to say "Biden has a Burisma problem".

This also reveals that Ciaramella the whistleblower didn't seem to find a need to blow his whistle when he was well aware of the corruption involving Burisma and Biden's son Hunter and his cushy job on the board. He only had a come to Jesus moment when he learned that Trump was looking into it the corruption and Ukraine's involvement in our 2016 elections.

There is another report out this week involving Ciaramella that is just damning and his direct and indirect ties to Adam Schiff and his office.

https://www.realclearinvestigations...ing_with_ally_how_to_remove_trump_121701.html

After this impeachment sham is over and Trump is acquitted this story isn't going away.

John Solomon whom the left despise has posted a timeline of things that occurred over a period of years involving the Obama WH and Ukraine. It is backed up with document references.
The Ukraine scandal timeline Democrats and their media allies don’t want America to see | John Solomon Reports

It is all going to come out.
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Nope, that's the right wingers pathetic lies they tell themselves. 8 years of Obama, dirty scum republicans looked for dirt on him. BEngazi was the biggest sham of a hearing, solely meant as a political attack on Obama and Hillary. That turned that into emailn nonsense. Hillary testified for days and the Obama admin submitted everything that was asked of them, and absolutely nothing turned up. Sole dirty republican ploy that somehow right wing Taliban will just believe. meanwhile, convictions are piling up, guilty pleas, Trump facing legal action in other states, his Organization had to fold for scandals, he was impeached.

Republicans sole goal, as they admitted, was to tank Obama presidency. YOu don't think if he was corrupt they would have found something after countless investigations? Over and over again, they found nothing. HIllary email investigations, all amounted to nothing. Millions wasted by hack republicans, who now are covering up actual corruption.

And the best the right can do, is once again try to defelct to Obama/Biden and make up scandals. Right wingers, the most pathetic people on the planet
 
Paradoxical said:
That's right. Criminals, even those running for president, are fair game.
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How about those currently holding that office?

Nevermind, I withdraw the question...

His will come once hes out of office. I think the funniest (and saddest, for him) part is gonna be when all of the slobbering sycophants arent there defending him anymore because he cant do anything for them anymore.
 
Paradoxical said:
The same FBI that hates him? Uh huh. The same FBI that wanted Hillary to win? OKeyyyy
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How about his own hand picked DoJ.....or should we assume that they would have just been too incompetent to get it done? Or is it that so many people hate him he cant find enough good help these days?
 
element94 said:
That's why we also heard from Williams and Vindman, who were on the call and heard it with their own ears. This is called corroboration. They corroborated the crime, and impeachable offense, that the President committed. Happy to help.
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Corroborated occurrences of investigations of happenings leading up the 2016 election. Which office was Biden running for in 2016?
 
Paradoxical said:
The same FBI that hates him? Uh huh. The same FBI that wanted Hillary to win? OKeyyyy
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No the FBI who is now lead by the Trump appointed Director Wray. Everyone agrees the Ukraine has issues and you think the President asking a foreign country to investigate a US citizen is normal?
 
Paradoxical said:
The same FBI that hates him? Uh huh. The same FBI that wanted Hillary to win? OKeyyyy
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Yeah, everybody that is on to him, or would no longer go along with his nefarious deeds "hate" him. Just look at the long list of former cabinet members and associates etc. who were stumbling blocks to his corruption.
 
Condor060 said:
During the Impeachment hearings according to Yovanovitch's own testimony, She admitted she was prepped by the Obama State department on any questions about Hunter Biden and his connections to Burisma.

Yovanovitch says Obama administration prepped her to answer questions about Hunter Biden during confirmation
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"Hunter Biden" et al is a poor attempt by Crooked Donald to divert the attention, of the dumb-and-gullible among us, away from the criminal activity that lead to his impeachment. There exists zero evidence that either Biden did anything wrong.

Although Hunter Biden has NO relevance to the Trump impeachment trial, nothing is stopping the senate republicans from calling him as a witness. They're not calling him because they know it will backfire on them in a big way. And if Hunter Biden is called, then why, by the same logic, shouldn't Don Jr. Ivanka and Jared Kushner be called?

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Paradoxical said:
The same FBI that hates him? Uh huh. The same FBI that wanted Hillary to win? OKeyyyy
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The FBI announcing the re-opening of a GOP smear 'investigation' into Hillary for something they don't care about ten days before an election, knocking her down crucial points, was the FBI trying to get her re-elected?

Is there ever a point where the lies you wish to tell are so stupid you simply cannot bring yourself to type them?
 
Condor060 said:
They don't. Show us this new information where the WH is hiding visitor logs.
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According to reports by Time, the Associated Press, and many other outlets, the Trump White House will keep its visitor logs secret until 5 years after the end of the administration, discontinuing the Obama administration’s practice of voluntarily disclosing the records online as open data.
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Whoops! I'll have to call bull**** on that one.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
How about those currently holding that office?

Nevermind, I withdraw the question...

His will come once hes out of office. I think the funniest (and saddest, for him) part is gonna be when all of the slobbering sycophants arent there defending him anymore because he cant do anything for them anymore.
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If someone running for president A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THE ACTUAL ELECTION can't be investigated for crimes, the mafia is taking notes and hundreds of them will announce for the 2024 presidency in 2021
 
bullseyelqcs said:
How about his own hand picked DoJ.....or should we assume that they would have just been too incompetent to get it done? Or is it that so many people hate him he cant find enough good help these days?
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He's too busy investigating the FBI and Comey, Strzok, Page, etal. He has no interest in the Biden Crime Family.
 
US&THEM said:
No the FBI who is now lead by the Trump appointed Director Wray. Everyone agrees the Ukraine has issues and you think the President asking a foreign country to investigate a US citizen is normal?
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Christopher Wray is just another FBI protector. I predict he will be fired after Trump is acquitted by the Senate. I also predict Manafort and Roger Stone will be pardoned right after president Trump wins in November.
 
element94 said:
Yeah, everybody that is on to him, or would no longer go along with his nefarious deeds "hate" him. Just look at the long list of former cabinet members and associates etc. who were stumbling blocks to his corruption.
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The FBI higher ups were all Democrats. Comey included. His wife and kids campaigned for Hillary.
 
Paradoxical said:
Christopher Wray is just another FBI protector. I predict he will be fired after Trump is acquitted by the Senate. I also predict Manafort and Roger Stone will be pardoned right after president Trump wins in November.
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Wow, you are a true conspiracy guy.
 
Condor060 said:
This is why Democrats are so adamant about Hunter Biden not testifying but now Obama State Department official Elizabeth Zentos is going to be a huge problem for Democrats for witness testimony.

We keep hearing from Democrats that Hunter Biden does not need to testify because he is not a material witness to the Impeachment. Well, if he isn't material, why would you object to hearing his testimony.
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I've said, several times, that IF Moscow Mitch allows witness's the Biden's should be subpoenaed; absolutely. Laura Ingram's "evidence" should be brought up and the whole Biden Ukrainian/Burisma involvement questioned. AND! Let's have Bolton and Perry tell us what they know of tRump/Giuliani's "drug deal".

Let's make that deal with Mitch. He'll never take it, because it would exonerate the Biden's (or not - doesn't matter - but I'm guessing exonerate) AND be so damning to tRump that MORE than enough GOP Senators would be compelled to vote to Convict.
 
Irwin Corey said:
I've said, several times, that IF Moscow Mitch allows witness's the Biden's should be subpoenaed; absolutely. Laura Ingram's "evidence" should be brought up and the whole Biden Ukrainian/Burisma involvement questioned. AND! Let's have Bolton and Perry tell us what they know of tRump/Giuliani's "drug deal".

Let's make that deal with Mitch. He'll never take it, because it would exonerate the Biden's (or not - doesn't matter - but I'm guessing exonerate) AND be so damning to tRump that MORE than enough GOP Senators would be compelled to vote to Convict.
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They should all testify. Hunter & Joe Biden, Mulvaney, Bolton, the whistle blower, and everyone having 1st hand information.
 
element94 said:
That's why we also heard from Williams and Vindman, who were on the call and heard it with their own ears. This is called corroboration. They corroborated the crime, and impeachable offense, that the President committed. Happy to help.
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They corroborated what Trump already stated. None of them said a quid pro quo existed. Trump doesn't deny asking Zelenski to investigate.

The question is, can a president ask a foreign power to investigate corruption.
 
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