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Is Trump guilty of corruption or just a victim of mental illness?

Is Trump guilty of corruption or just mentally ill?

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After watching Adam Schiff delineate Trump's actions to strong arm Zelensky it struck me that Trump, like his belief Obama wasn't an American citizen, may truly believe Putin's version of the 2016 over our own intelligence agency's version. To wit; that false theory that it was Ukraine that did it, not Putin's Russia.

If true, then Trump's actions in Ukraine are not so much the actions of corrupt politician betraying his country, but the actions of a delusional, conspiracy-theorist old man. If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?
 
Rising Sun said:
After watching Adam Schiff delineate Trump's actions to strong arm Zelensky it struck me that Trump, like his belief Obama wasn't an American citizen, may truly believe Putin's version of the 2016 over our own intelligence agency's version. To wit; that false theory that it was Ukraine that did it, not Putin's Russia.

If true, then Trump's actions in Ukraine are not so much the actions of corrupt politician betraying his country, but the actions of a delusional, conspiracy-theorist old man. If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?
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This is akin to the Reagan dilemma; was he senile or was he complicit?




Woodrow Wilson was pretty much a vegatable for the last portion of his term, iirc.
 
In this context the only victims of mental illness are the TDS sufferers that continue to harp on this topic.
 
Trump is a victim of mental illness - Adam "Bugeye" Schiff's that is.
 
Polls like this are worthless.

Is Schiff a liar deliberately or is it a psychological disorder for which the House should remove him?

Is Joe Biden corrupt using taxpayer money to make all his kids multi-millionaires or does he have dementia and kids are having him do illegal graft, bribery and extort using the fact he has dementia?

Is Nancy Pelosi an agent of the Iranian military voluntarily or does Iran have information on her and is extorting her?

I could start equally worthless polls like this one endlessly.
 
Rising Sun said:
After watching Adam Schiff delineate Trump's actions to strong arm Zelensky it struck me that Trump, like his belief Obama wasn't an American citizen, may truly believe Putin's version of the 2016 over our own intelligence agency's version. To wit; that false theory that it was Ukraine that did it, not Putin's Russia.

If true, then Trump's actions in Ukraine are not so much the actions of corrupt politician betraying his country, but the actions of a delusional, conspiracy-theorist old man. If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?
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If Trump was guilty of corruptions, the democrats would impeach him on corruption charges. They're not shy.
 
Rising Sun said:
After watching Adam Schiff delineate Trump's actions to strong arm Zelensky it struck me that Trump, like his belief Obama wasn't an American citizen, may truly believe Putin's version of the 2016 over our own intelligence agency's version. To wit; that false theory that it was Ukraine that did it, not Putin's Russia.

If true, then Trump's actions in Ukraine are not so much the actions of corrupt politician betraying his country, but the actions of a delusional, conspiracy-theorist old man. If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?
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If Trump honestly felt this way, he could have had the FBI investigate the Ukrainian interference and the Bidens as well as openly urging the Ukrainians to do so. His secrecy argues against the theory that he's honestly delusional.

ETA: He may very well be mentally ill, but not delusional.
 
Bullseye said:
In this context the only victims of mental illness are the TDS sufferers that continue to harp on this topic.
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Trump Dick Sucker (TDS) sufferers are Trump supporters and yes, they are mentally ill. Sorry you got it wrong.
 
Rising Sun said:
After watching Adam Schiff delineate Trump's actions to strong arm Zelensky it struck me that Trump, like his belief Obama wasn't an American citizen, may truly believe Putin's version of the 2016 over our own intelligence agency's version. To wit; that false theory that it was Ukraine that did it, not Putin's Russia.

If true, then Trump's actions in Ukraine are not so much the actions of corrupt politician betraying his country, but the actions of a delusional, conspiracy-theorist old man. If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?
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I don't know the answer to your one sided question. I ceased paying attention to this very partisan political battle a long time ago when I saw the democrats would do anything to get rid of Trump while the Republicans would do anything to keep him as president. I mean right, wrong, legal, illegal, anything and everything.

I basically put this whole thing on ignore. My only hope is all this impeachment junk shows the American people how those party animals owe their loyalty to. Hint, it isn't America, it's party. I hope both sides taint their ultra, mega partisan party so much that a viable third party rises to challenge the existing major parties who only think about the good of their party, not the nation.

Have at it.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know the answer to your one sided question. I ceased paying attention to this very partisan political battle a long time ago when I saw the democrats would do anything to get rid of Trump while the Republicans would do anything to keep him as president. I mean right, wrong, legal, illegal, anything and everything.

I basically put this whole thing on ignore. My only hope is all this impeachment junk shows the American people how those party animals owe their loyalty to. Hint, it isn't America, it's party. I hope both sides taint their ultra, mega partisan party so much that a viable third party rises to challenge the existing major parties who only think about the good of their party, not the nation.

Have at it.
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I enjoy the “selfish comfort of advanced age!”



........and no progeny!
 
Trump is profoundly mentally ill. I’m not sure what happened to him but he’s an extremely malformed individual. I don’t know how such a human could be created without serious parental abuse.

I would feel sorry for Trump if he wasn’t also uniquely malevolent, cruel, and definitely a sociopath. And as far as I know, there’s no mental illness that makes you corrupt, which Trump definitely is.
 
swing_voter said:
If Trump was guilty of corruptions, the democrats would impeach him on corruption charges. They're not shy.
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According to the Constitution, there is no specific 'corruption' charge that's impeachable. That does however, fall into the category of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' which includes abuse of power for which he was impeached.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Trump is profoundly mentally ill. I’m not sure what happened to him but he’s an extremely malformed individual. I don’t know how such a human could be created without serious parental abuse.

I would feel sorry for Trump if he wasn’t also uniquely malevolent, cruel, and definitely a sociopath. And as far as I know, there’s no mental illness that makes you corrupt, which Trump definitely is.
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People with one of the Cluster B personality disorders, Sociopathic, Narcissistic, Borderline, and Histrionic, are susceptible to corruption in my opinion.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Trump is profoundly mentally ill. I’m not sure what happened to him but he’s an extremely malformed individual. I don’t know how such a human could be created without serious parental abuse.

I would feel sorry for Trump if he wasn’t also uniquely malevolent, cruel, and definitely a sociopath. And as far as I know, there’s no mental illness that makes you corrupt, which Trump definitely is.
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Over 60,000 mental health professionals agree! This petition was signed by them back in 2017:

“We, the undersigned mental health professionals, believe in our professional judgment that Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States. And we respectfully request he be removed from office, according to article 4 of the 25th amendment to the Constitution, which states that the president will be replaced if he is ‘unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.’”
"The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" | Psychology Today
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bearpoker said:
People with one of the Cluster B personality disorders, Sociopathic, Narcissistic, Borderline, and Histrionic, are susceptible to corruption in my opinion.
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Agreed. OTOH, if they have delusional disorder and do something others consider corrupt, are they really guilty of corruption since they truly believe (delusional) they are acting correctly?

Although I'm not a lawyer and understand why the law is limited when it comes to mental illness, the common legal definition of insanity includes not knowing right from wrong. As the definition below states, it also includes not knowing fantasy from reality....which, at times, seems to be Trump's case. In short, I think he truly believes most, if not all, the BS spewing out of his mouth or onto his Twitter feed.

Insanity Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
Insanity is a mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot manage his/her own affairs, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. In criminal cases, a plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity" will require a trial on the issue of the defendant's insanity (or sanity) at the time the crime was committed.

In this context, "not guilty" does not mean the person did not commit the criminal act for which he or she is charged. It means that when the person committed the crime, he or she could not tell right from wrong or could not control his or her behavior because of severe mental defect or illness. Such a person, the law holds, should not be held criminally responsible for his or her behavior. The legal test for insanity varies from state to state.
 
Rexedgar said:
This is akin to the Reagan dilemma; was he senile or was he complicit?

Woodrow Wilson was pretty much a vegatable for the last portion of his term, iirc.
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It depends upon what stage of his Presidency. I think late into his second term his dementia was becoming apparent to those close to him.

Additionally, although the CiC is always responsible ("The Buck Stops Here"), part of Reagan's leadership style was akin to George S. Patton's leadership style: "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity."

Too many Presidents, including the present one, dodge responsibility, claim credit from the work of others, blame others for failures and micromanage the crap out of everyone under them.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Trump is profoundly mentally ill. I’m not sure what happened to him but he’s an extremely malformed individual. I don’t know how such a human could be created without serious parental abuse.

I would feel sorry for Trump if he wasn’t also uniquely malevolent, cruel, and definitely a sociopath. And as far as I know, there’s no mental illness that makes you corrupt, which Trump definitely is.
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Agreed on mental illness. I think part of it was always there, but it's gotten worse with age. Add to this there are reports he snorts Adderall which makes a fat, out-of-shape 73 year old feel like a 40 year old Marathon runner but has an overall adverse affect on his brain as any addiction does.
 
Trump is guilty of laying bare the truth about liberals and the swamp and then succeeding as president. Those are unpardonable crimes for the left.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know the answer to your one sided question. ...
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What "one sided question"? There was only one question: "If the latter is true, then should Trump be removed from office via the 25th Amendment and not for criminal actions?"
 
swing_voter said:
If Trump was guilty of corruptions, the democrats would impeach him on corruption charges. They're not shy.
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Congress is impeaching Trump as we write.

Here, let me help you catch up to current events: What are the articles of impeachment against Donald Trump? | US news | The Guardian
...Article 1: abuse of power
The constitution provides that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole power of impeachment” and that the president shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

In his conduct of the office of president of the United States and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of president of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, Donald J Trump has abused the powers of the presidency, in that: Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States presidential election....



...Article 2: obstruction of Congress
Donald J Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its sole power of impeachment.
 
Rising Sun said:
Agreed on mental illness. I think part of it was always there, but it's gotten worse with age. Add to this there are reports he snorts Adderall which makes a fat, out-of-shape 73 year old feel like a 40 year old Marathon runner but has an overall adverse affect on his brain as any addiction does.
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I also feel that Trump is deeply insecure and unable to form relationships with people, thus he’s isolated and paranoid. His wife clearly hates his guts. Trump seems genuinely shocked that spouses are supposed to care for each other positively.

 
Praxas said:
Trump Dick Sucker (TDS) sufferers are Trump supporters and yes, they are mentally ill. Sorry you got it wrong.
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Agreed. Specifically, it's psychological projection......and those always screaming about "TDS!" project a lot.

Psychological Projection: Dealing With Undesirable Emotions
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
 
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