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Remember "The Stand"?

KLATTU said:
I've not heard of the stand but I remember reading the " Hot Zone" . And I remember it scaring the **** out of me.
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That was good too. Also turned into a mini-series.....and Ebola is still out there. :)
 
What if...? said:
Iirc we've already seen a couple of viruses that killed their hosts so fast that it was "extinguished" before responders arrived on the scene.
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...add to this viruses that are 200 times more contagious than AIDS, will last up to 7 days outside the body whereas HIV dies usually in minutes but at least within a few hours....and, yes, you can catch it off a toilet seat!

https://risksafety.humboldt.edu/sites/default/files/risksafety/Bloodborne FAQs.pdf

The good news is there's a vaccine for Hep B (and Hep A)
 
What if...? said:
And of course epidemiologists are concerned that melting permafrost may release something sequestered so long we have no immunity to it at all.
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Fake news.


JK JK... lol
 
Rising Sun said:
...add to this viruses that are 200 times more contagious than AIDS, will last up to 7 days outside the body whereas HIV dies usually in minutes but at least within a few hours....and, yes, you can catch it off a toilet seat!

https://risksafety.humboldt.edu/sites/default/files/risksafety/Bloodborne FAQs.pdf

The good news is there's a vaccine for Hep B (and Hep A)
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AIDS is just about the hardest virus in the world to catch. An uninfected man having sex with an HIV positive but non symptomatic woman has only a 1 in 300 chance of becoming infected himself.
 
What if...? said:
And of course epidemiologists are concerned that melting permafrost may release something sequestered so long we have no immunity to it at all.
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A valid concern. Science-deniers, no doubt, will say it can't happen.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-lie-within-permafrost-become-a-bigger-worry/
This past summer anthrax killed a 12-year-old boy in a remote part of Siberia. At least 20 other people, also from the Yamal Peninsula, were diagnosed with the potentially deadly disease after approximately 100 suspected cases were hospitalized. Additionally, more than 2,300 reindeer in the area died from the infection. The likely cause? Thawing permafrost. According to Russian officials, thawed permafrost—a permanently frozen layer of soil—released previously immobile spores of Bacillus anthracis into nearby water and soil and then into the food supply. The outbreak was the region's first in 75 years.

Researchers have predicted for years that one of the effects of global warming could be that whatever is frozen in permafrost—such as ancient bacteria—might be released as temperatures climb. This could include infectious agents humans might not be prepared for, or have immunity to, the scientists said. Now they are witnessing the theoretical turning into reality: infectious microorganisms emerging from a deep freeze.
 
Lursa said:
It would be interesting to see them try that here, in a city or even a town.
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Only as a last resort. Our medical technology is superior to "backwoods" China areas.

Obscurity said:
3%'s would be waging war.
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Then they'd be stopped. This isn't about a revolution against a tyrannical government where many in the military would be sympathetic to supporting the revolution. This is about stopping a deadly plague that could kill every family member of every soldier. I have no doubt most would do their duty.
 
Rising Sun said:
Only as a last resort. Our medical technology is superior to "backwoods" China areas.
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It's not remotely simple to explain, but you are very wrong here. In terms of curing or vaccinating against a new disease, quarantining, securing, sterilizing, etc etc etc against a new disease.
 
What if...? said:
And of course epidemiologists are concerned that melting permafrost may release something sequestered so long we have no immunity to it at all.
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Completely valid.

The 2 main ways that new diseases are introduced into human populations now are:

--going into previously remote or undeveloped areas and contacting new zoonoses (e.g. hunting and eating bush meat, poaching animals for research etc)

--keeping a variety of species in very close proximity to each other (e.g. farming, markets) where diseases that were once species-specific have a chance to adapt to new hosts. This is a common scenario in China.

The ice theory is possible...it involves the same type of exposure to a 'new' microbe that can exploit our lackof immune defenses.
 
Lursa said:
It's not remotely simple to explain, but you are very wrong here. In terms of curing or vaccinating against a new disease, quarantining, securing, sterilizing, etc etc etc against a new disease.
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No kidding. Who are you claiming said it was?
 
Rising Sun said:
No kidding. Who are you claiming said it was?
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I based my opinion on this very simplistically-phrased statement:

Rising Sun said:
Only as a last resort. Our medical technology is superior to "backwoods" China areas.
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IMO, as I wrote, it is not accurate with regards to epidemiology.
 
Lursa said:
I based my opinion on this very simplistically-phrased statement:



IMO, as I wrote, it is not accurate with regards to epidemiology.
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While you are free to assert that a "backwoods" pig farmer in China has an equal chance of surviving the flu or even coronavirus as a Middle-Class American, I disagree.

While all people may have an equal chance of catching a disease, their survival rate depends upon the level of care available, not politics per se.
 
Rising Sun said:
While you are free to assert that a "backwoods" pig farmer in China has an equal chance of surviving the flu or even coronavirus as a Middle-Class American, I disagree.

While all people may have an equal chance of catching a disease, their survival rate depends upon the level of care available, not politics per se.
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The best treatment for the flu or coronavirus is ibuprofen and acetaminophen. Even backwoods pig farmers have access to those.
 
Rising Sun said:
While you are free to assert that a "backwoods" pig farmer in China has an equal chance of surviving the flu or even coronavirus as a Middle-Class American, I disagree.

While all people may have an equal chance of catching a disease, their survival rate depends upon the level of care available, not politics per se.
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Huh? Most people just recover from the flu. Once you get sick enough from it to end up in a hospital, odds are no better in Santa Monica than they are in any other modern global city. You're probably gonna die.
 
Irredentist said:
The best treatment for the flu or coronavirus is ibuprofen and acetaminophen. Even backwoods pig farmers have access to those.
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Really? What is the average annual income of a Chinese backwoods pig farmer? Hint: Farmer income to reach 11,000 yuan in 2015 - China.org.cn

Those over 30 years of age may remember not only what happened to the price of corn but the global effects for those on subsistence living when President GW Bush signed the Biofuels Act of 2006. Sure, the prices stabilized and lowered after a few years but that's a little late for those starving.

Sure, you, no doubt can easily afford a $14 bottle of Ibuprofen for your family, but that single bottle is 3 days pay for the Chinese pig farmer. "Let them eat cake" is not a sound political philosophy.
 
calamity said:
Huh? Most people just recover from the flu. Once you get sick enough from it to end up in a hospital, odds are no better in Santa Monica than they are in any other modern global city. You're probably gonna die.
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I have no doubt you really think a backwoods pig farmer in China, or even the Appalachians, has the same chances of surviving the flu as a person living in a "modern global city".
 
Rising Sun said:
While you are free to assert that a "backwoods" pig farmer in China has an equal chance of surviving the flu or even coronavirus as a Middle-Class American, I disagree.

While all people may have an equal chance of catching a disease, their survival rate depends upon the level of care available, not politics per se.
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Epidemiology (and that medical discipline) is less about individual survival more about virulence and transmission.
 
Lursa said:
Epidemiology (and that medical discipline) is less about individual survival more about virulence and transmission.
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Awesome. So you are asserting that an individual in a primitive village and a middle-class American in a modern hospital have the same chances of surviving the flu or, in this case, the coronavirus. I disagree, but I'm not a medical tech. Is this your assertion?
 
Rising Sun said:
Awesome. So you are asserting that an individual in a primitive village and a middle-class American in a modern hospital have the same chances of surviving the flu or, in this case, the coronavirus. I disagree, but I'm not a medical tech. Is this your assertion?
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I dont see it as relevant to the discussion.

And for many strains of those viruses, sure. The same. Or access to the basic necessities to support immune systems to survive.
 
Lursa said:
I dont see it as relevant to the discussion.

And for many strains of those viruses, sure. The same. Or access to the basic necessities to support immune systems to survive.
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Why do you not see levels of survival rates varying by levels of medical care as relevant to Chicken Little predictions of plague?
 
Re: The horror

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Amber Heard as Nadine Cross?
Nope...big nope.
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I doubt she can act, but she does have the "Nadine" look.

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This was one of my favorite actors from the original.

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Ray Walston - Wikipedia

He nailed the roll of Glen Bateman.
 
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