[W:363]accepting gay as normal

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Robertinfremont said:

Why not leave them alone and start to ignore them? Let them live as they want to.

And GOD, deliver us from the word "GAY " It is a mistake to use that word.

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I'm good with live and let live!

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maxparrish said:

True. And a more apt comparison is that some people want to hump their shoes, mate with their dog, or have sex with young boys. While it might be natural behavior (for some) it certainly isn't normal.

Abnormal is abnormal - that's all there is too it.

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Being red headed in our society is "abnormal" - at least in this area. I'm not sure what point you guys are trying to make.

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Redress said:

Gays are not normal, they are exceptional! Like people who are left handed, or have a genius IQ.

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:roll: It is stunning anyone would like that message.

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"Normal" is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is the fundamental personal liberty all of us have.

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Logician Man said:

Trump trashes himself on a daily basis. Some here just present that trash that is Trump's trademark, as a public service to fellow DP members.

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You and I do not agree.

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Robertinfremont said:

You and I do not agree.

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Yes, I've noticed. We''re fortunate to have forums such as DP to share and discuss those disagreements. I hope we can agree on that.

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swing_voter said:

lol. Never heard that one.

I think it's in the DNA. Being gay is not a personal choice.

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I despise the claim that being gay is a genetic birth defect for which they should be protected under the Americans With Disabilities Act or any other genetic defense.

I have a married gay daughter. She is not genetically different from my other children. It does not matter why she is gay. She is because she is. Other than the few who try to use that against her (it happens and usually goes badly for the person who does - unless she doesn't care), I see NO negative effect on her life. Her and her spouse are planning to have a child next year.

I truly DESPISE the claim "I'm gay because I was born that way." Generally, I think that is false. However, mostly I find it extremely offensive, claiming gays have the will power and individuality of a fruit fly.

The ORIGINAL claim of gay rights activists was the true and correct one for a gay person to declare: "I fall in love with a person, not a set of genitals."

What physical or relationship attraction is "not normal?" Attracted to people other than your own race? Attracted to fat people, skinny people, green eyed people, short people, tall people, much younger people, much older people, rich people, poor people, people of a different religion, people of different political views... "Normal" is relevant to nothing at all. If people have any freedom at all, it must be free to love whom they do and not who they don't.

Whether homosexual or lesbian sex is "immoral?" That is not a decision for government to make. Anyone can think what another person does is "immoral." So what? Think whatever you want to. That also is part of personal freedom. But holding up your beliefs about love and sexuality demanding this be forced on other adults? Oh hell no! Not in THIS country.

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Mashmont said:

Somebody likely had power over somebody else in the 'dry-humping' that was described. That sounds a lot like abuse., I would say far worse than what Josh might have done as a child. Yet you are silent about it.

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Because I'm not gonna make the assumption something nefarious happened when there was no implication that there was in the statement. The same can't be said in young Josh's situation.

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joko104 said:

I despise the claim that being gay is a genetic birth defect for which they should be protected under the Americans With Disabilities Act or any other genetic defense.

I have a married gay daughter. She is not genetically different from my other children. It does not matter why she is gay. She is because she is. Other than the few who try to use that against her (it happens and usually goes badly for the person who does - unless she doesn't care), I see NO negative effect on her life. Her and her spouse are planning to have a child next year.

I truly DESPISE the claim "I'm gay because I was born that way." Generally, I think that is false. However, mostly I find it extremely offensive, claiming gays have the will power and individuality of a fruit fly.

The ORIGINAL claim of gay rights activists was the true and correct one for a gay person to declare: "I fall in love with a person, not a set of genitals."

What physical or relationship attraction is "not normal?" Attracted to people other than your own race? Attracted to fat people, skinny people, green eyed people, short people, tall people, much younger people, much older people, rich people, poor people, people of a different religion, people of different political views... "Normal" is relevant to nothing at all. If people have any freedom at all, it must be free to love whom they do and not who they don't.

Whether homosexual or lesbian sex is "immoral?" That is not a decision for government to make. Anyone can think what another person does is "immoral." So what? Think whatever you want to. That also is part of personal freedom. But you're holding up your beliefs about love demanding this be forced on other adults? Oh hell no!

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This is a case where even though we may take different paths to a conclusion, the conclusion ends up the same.

I personally think homosexuals are born predisposed to be attracted to those of the same sex, but I can respect your stance on the matter. Well stated.

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bullseyelqcs said:

Because I'm not gonna make the assumption something nefarious happened when there was no implication that there was in the statement. The same can't be said in young Josh's situation.

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Actually Josh's sisters were asleep. They were unaware. Whereas in the situation described here, one girl was clearly the ringleader in a pre-pubescent game of sexual simulation. That's blatant abuse.

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Mashmont said:

Actually Josh's sisters were asleep. They were unaware. Whereas in the situation described here, one girl was clearly the ringleader in a pre-pubescent game of sexual simulation. That's blatant abuse.

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Well thats a new take on sexual assault.....if one is asleep, then its not so bad. You should become a public defender for sexual predators and see how well that works out for your clients.

As for the rest of your ramblings......please point to anything in the post you are comparing this to that proves even remotely what you are claiming. I'll wait.

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bullseyelqcs said:

Well thats a new take on sexual assault.....if one is asleep, then its not so bad. You should become a public defender for sexual predators and see how well that works out for your clients.

As for the rest of your ramblings......please point to anything in the post you are comparing this to that proves even remotely what you are claiming. I'll wait.

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Your morality is horrific.

The victim doesn't consent because she or he is unconscious. That idea would make date rape drugs or the use of alcohol permissible.

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Cardinal said:

I don’t support or condone black people being attacked or victimized in any way, but I don’t like how liberals seek to normalize them.

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Excellent!

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Da Mole said:

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

I have this question of all parents of a young teenage boy. What will be the outcome after you have been brain washed into thinking that the gay life style is perfectly ok, it’s normal behavior and not to be questioned as if it were actually gods way.

This is one result I see coming down the road. Guys, think back to your early teen years when you were the victim of raging hormones. To coin an old phrase---“he would screw a snake if someone held it down”. Unpleasant statement but so true, boys and men are sexually aggressive (natures way). Your sons are or will experience the same emotions and urges as will all of his friends. Remember the good old sleepovers of the past? Just what do you think will be going on when every kid there has the same view about how normal gay sex is? Got the picture in your mind. Is that really ok with you?

Your turn, go for it.

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Wow how much bigotry and dishonesty (or ignorance not sure which one) can you put in one post . . so sad and vile

anyway LOL . .

HINT: YOU do not have to accept gay as normal. YOU are free to "FEEL" however you want no matter how monumentally, dishonestly, factually uneducated on this topic it may be.

Good luck to you!

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Lisa said:

Your morality is horrific.

The victim doesn't consent because she or he is unconscious. That idea would make date rape drugs or the use of alcohol permissible.

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You do realize that my comment was satire regarding Mashmonts ridiculous theory that because Josh Duggars sisters were asleep, its better than teenage girls experimenting with sex dry humping at a sleepover.

I agree that that is totally garbage.

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bullseyelqcs said:

This is a case where even though we may take different paths to a conclusion, the conclusion ends up the same.

I personally think homosexuals are born predisposed to be attracted to those of the same sex, but I can respect your stance on the matter. Well stated.

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I can accept that, of course. I could point out incidences in her early childhood that a psychologist (no, never took her to one) would likely claim could have had lead to repulsion towards boys/men in terms of relationship and intimacy - but I think that would somehow violate her privacy even if anonymous. But does it really matter why? It is who and what she is, for whatever reason that is.

NOW I RAMBLE - feel free to stop reading)

Her life is amazingly, truly amazingly successful. I OFTEN brag about her on this forum. She is recognized formally, academically, professionally and even militarily as an uniquely extraordinary person. That, also, has nothing to do with being lesbian. Yes, we did walk her thru the potential social minefield of being gay when she was younger - how to deal with it, how to avoid harassment and dangers and how to be herself - whoever that is. But also to force her to maximize her incredible potentials that we recognized at a very young age.

OK, having mentioned her I have to brag a little again. She was always my special child for her birth circumstance. (I did CPR and mouth to mouth for a quarter hour until she revived - I wouldn't give up). She was published Internationally in scientific journals for her studies, lecturing at international gathering of scientists in biology and doing research on her protocol studies on grants from major corporations - while still in high school. One of her studies probably saves a couple million lives in 3rd world countries and became the new international standard for testing for certain biological hazards. When a top science oriented university offer full scholarship, that wasn't enough - to have her they had to pay all - room, food, books - they agreed. How many kids win 2 different categories of science fair as a junior - as diverse as environmental biology and child psychology? Probably by age 12 she was reading an incredibly diverse set of books - post graduate level books because they were interesting to her.

Offered a partnership and big 6 figure contract as a financial consultant and broker - at age 20 - declined because she's not really into money. Nor does the Hollywood portrayal of the weird, whimpy geek apply. That gal would swim in blue water in shark infested water from island to island - then camp out surviving on nature - eating bugs and lizards or whatever. In the military and because this would be in combat zones with little support, she was in a class where they taught how to survive off the land. When they told in that military class they would actual be eating bugs, when the others said "ewww!" she could say she'd done that - and I bet soon was more educating that class than the instructor. I can't even tell about what she does in the military including in combat. Secret stuff. Truly amazing - and none of it has to do with her being gay. Yes, some male pigs and officers tried to give her hell for being gay. They learned how much a mistake that was quickly. She clever, very very clever, very tactical by nature. It has to do with her being who she is - and us as parents pushing her to be all that can be until she came to push herself.

In my opinion, that is what parents should do. Use their parental status to positively guide their child to be the best that child can be for who that child is - not who you are. We do that with all our children. They are incredibly different from each other for that reason - each on their own path in life. Gay, straight, bi, trans, monogamous, promiscuous - that all is their choice. We then try to guide them how to live that life style well and safely - whatever they each wish to do and be. Seeing them together is super cool. So VERY different, but fully bonded to each other as siblings. We also taught them to respect the rights of others, not just respect themselves. But taking crap off others? That's another matter. For that, "pick your fights carefully, pick fights you can win and here's how to win." We did not mean physical fights, but they each are taught the basics of that too. She could probably wipe the floor with 95% of people on this forum. A Marine combat squad leader we know said he thought he could take on just about anyone - but not her. Not because she's stronger, just so much cleverer. "She'd kill me - and I wouldn't even know how she did it. LOL! That's what she does in the military - and those enemy KIA don't even know how she and her team did it. Again, secret stuff.
(OK, I'll stop bragging on her and my kids for tonight).

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Here is the real question: Why does anyone care if another person is gay, hetero or bi? What possible difference does that make to anyone else? What difference does it make why that is? Unless you are seeking a relationship with the person yourself, why would you possibly care?

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joko104 said:

I can accept that, of course. I could point out incidences in her early childhood that a psychologist (no, never took her to one) would likely claim could have had lead to repulsion towards boys/men in terms of relationship and intimacy - but I think that would somehow violate her privacy even if anonymous. But does it really matter why? It is who and what she is, for whatever reason that is.

NOW I RAMBLE - feel free to stop reading)

Her life is amazingly, truly amazingly successful. I OFTEN brag about her on this forum. She is recognized formally, academically, professionally and even militarily as an uniquely extraordinary person. That, also, has nothing to do with being lesbian. Yes, we did walk her thru the potential social minefield of being gay when she was younger - how to deal with it, how to avoid harassment and dangers and how to be herself - whoever that is. But also to force her to maximize her incredible potentials that we recognized at a very young age.

OK, having mentioned her I have to brag a little again. She was always my special child for her birth circumstance. (I did CPR and mouth to mouth for a quarter hour until she revived - I wouldn't give up). She was published Internationally in scientific journals for her studies, lecturing at international gathering of scientists in biology and doing research on her protocol studies on grants from major corporations - while still in high school. One of her studies probably saves a couple million lives in 3rd world countries and became the new international standard for testing for certain biological hazards. When a top science oriented university offer full scholarship, that wasn't enough - to have her they had to pay all - room, food, books - they agreed. How many kids win 2 different categories of science fair as a junior - as diverse as environmental biology and child psychology? Probably by age 12 she was reading an incredibly diverse set of books - post graduate level books because they were interesting to her.

Offered a partnership and big 6 figure contract as a financial consultant and broker - at age 20 - declined because she's not really into money. Nor does the Hollywood portrayal of the weird, whimpy geek apply. That gal would swim in blue water in shark infested water from island to island - then camp out surviving on nature - eating bugs and lizards or whatever. In the military and because this would be in combat zones with little support, she was in a class where they taught how to survive off the land. When they told in that military class they would actual be eating bugs, when the others said "ewww!" she could say she'd done that - and I bet soon was more educating that class than the instructor. I can't even tell about what she does in the military including in combat. Secret stuff. Truly amazing - and none of it has to do with her being gay. Yes, some male pigs and officers tried to give her hell for being gay. They learned how much a mistake that was quickly. She clever, very very clever, very tactical by nature. It has to do with her being who she is - and us as parents pushing her to be all that can be until she came to push herself.

In my opinion, that is what parents should do. Use their parental status to positively guide their child to be the best that child can be for who that child is - not who you are. We do that with all our children. They are incredibly different from each other for that reason - each on their own path in life. Gay, straight, bi, trans, monogamous, promiscuous - that all is their choice. We then try to guide them how to live that life style well and safely - whatever they each wish to do and be. Seeing them together is super cool. So VERY different, but fully bonded to each other as siblings. We also taught them to respect the rights of others, not just respect themselves. But taking crap off others? That's another matter. For that, "pick your fights carefully, pick fights you can win and here's how to win." We did not mean physical fights, but they each are taught the basics of that too. She could probably wipe the floor with 95% of people on this forum. A Marine combat squad leader we know said he thought he could take on just about anyone - but not her. Not because she's stronger, just so much cleverer. "She'd kill me - and I wouldn't even know how she did it. LOL! That's what she does in the military - and those enemy KIA don't even know how she and her team did it. Again, secret stuff.
(OK, I'll stop bragging on her and my kids for tonight).

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Get the **** outta here....all that AND she digs chicks? No possible way you are telling the truth.

You know I'm kidding, right? Brag away, you have reason to. She sounds wonderful, and more homosexual kids need parents like you to help them, as you said, be the best them they can be. Well done.

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I always wonder how broken a persons "thought" process has to be to have no understanding of sexual orientation and being born that way. Its perplexing when they have their own sexual orientation to look at for a general basic understanding/blueprint. Yet, they reject all that evidence and ignore that reality and claim its something magically different with nothing to support such lunacy. Its so weird . .

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Da Mole said:

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

I have this question of all parents of a young teenage boy. What will be the outcome after you have been brain washed into thinking that the gay life style is perfectly ok, it’s normal behavior and not to be questioned as if it were actually gods way.

This is one result I see coming down the road. Guys, think back to your early teen years when you were the victim of raging hormones. To coin an old phrase---“he would screw a snake if someone held it down”. Unpleasant statement but so true, boys and men are sexually aggressive (natures way). Your sons are or will experience the same emotions and urges as will all of his friends. Remember the good old sleepovers of the past? Just what do you think will be going on when every kid there has the same view about how normal gay sex is? Got the picture in your mind. Is that really ok with you?

Your turn, go for it.

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Actually, being non-straight and having non-heterosexual sex is already normal. The rest of us are just waiting for the holdouts to die off.

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joko104 said:

Here is the real question: Why does anyone care if another person is gay, hetero or bi? What possible difference does that make to anyone else? What difference does it make why that is? Unless you are seeking a relationship with the person yourself, why would you possibly care?

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Sterling Archer best satirically portrays that mindset in this clip:

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JasperL said:

Being red headed in our society is "abnormal" - at least in this area. I'm not sure what point you guys are trying to make.

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Abnormal behavior shouldn't be mistaken for normal behavior. Some of it is harmless, some of it is not. Sometimes you have too make sure that Uncle Arnie is alone with your wingtips, poodle, or young son.

You know what I mean?

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bullseyelqcs said:

You do realize that my comment was satire regarding Mashmonts ridiculous theory that because Josh Duggars sisters were asleep, its better than teenage girls experimenting with sex dry humping at a sleepover.

I agree that that is totally garbage.

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I agree with you.

I was responding to what Mashmont said. It quoted me wrong.

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Jean-s said:

Homosexuality is not an affliction. It is a natural sexual orientation.

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According to our design heterosexuality is natural. That means other choices would not be natural.

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CherubRam said:

According to our design heterosexuality is natural. That means other choices would not be natural.

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Normal. That is the word you are looking for. Its not like someone is injecting homosexuals with the "gay" and making them that way.

Not being normal doesn't mean something is wrong. The normal response to gunfire is to head away from it. The are some who are predisposed to do the abnormal thing and head to it to deal with it. That doesn't make them any more broken than someone who is attracted to someone of the same sex.